While i had still 2 Suzuki Jimny my plan was to get a Jimny EV when they came about as there were stories of them over a decade ago and images then nothing, then last month stories about a Jimny EV, then that there is not to be.

 

There is this at least, and great if they are up to the quality that Suzuki have been turning out for years now.

 

61 kWh battery if all usable getting 4 miles a kWh would be 244 miles.  but if only 3.7 then 226.

49 kWh x 4 is 196 miles and 3.7 = 181.

 

Better than any kidology of them doing 5 miles a kWh or better, so 306 miles big battery & 245 for the small. 

(The kidology of the 5 miles a kWh is that seen mostly from WLTP figures 'for comparison' or really, 'With a pinch of salt and tail winds'. ).     Japanese CEO,s and captains of industry should tell the truth.  Caught being liars means into the room with a blade and root root em oot....

@4 minutes.

 

 

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17 hours ago, domhnall said:

you need more cobalt for your petrol and diesel than for EVs though. And your phone and laptop

So we're in agreement on child labour being okay, then? Cool.

as for charity how come so many of our veterans are on the street? I met Simon Weston CBE the other week. We lost just over 200 men in action in the Falkland and nealry 4 times that many since due to suicide because we leave it to charity to look after the mental health and welfare of our veterans. Food banks right now can't keep up because people aren't able to donate enough. Sorry but I think the measure of a civilsed society is how it treats the most vulnerable. The Dickensian idea that we should leave it to charity is, well, Dickensian. 

You do realise that YOUR preferred system is the one that is in place now?

It is YOUR system that keeps "so many of our veterans are on the street" while illegal immigrants are given food and shelter.

It is YOUR system that leaves "it to charity to look after the mental health and welfare of our veterans" while the NHS spaffs money freely on nonsense and people who aren't entitled to free NHS care.

We would be able to give a lot more money to the charities we choose to give to, if so much of our money wasn't being stolen from us by the Government to waste.

Beyond that, the Government are about to steal a bit more money from EV owners in the form of VED starting April next year, which I'm sure they'll find some stupid way to waste.

Yes, and the difference that makes for business users and those charging off peak is really paid for with 4 tank fills of fuel not required if it was an ICE vehicles.    It seems to be those without EV,s that are all excited at the idea of others having to pay the Government  Treasury money for VED.    EV owner might just dismiss this additional running cost as neither here nor there.    Plenty disabled keepers and drivers in the UK will be paying nothing extra. 

The truth about the amount of Cobolt used in both EV and ICE cars is here, and currently anyone attempting to deny that EV cars are by far the largest single users of Cobolt need to take their heads out whatever place they have stuffed them and put on their big boy pants and admit that there were wrong and unless things improve, then the situation is going to get far worse.

 

Cobalt Blues: Mythbusting your comments about cobalt in EV batteries and fuel — Auto Expert John Cadogan 

A global demand of 40% of cobalt for EV batteries.   And? 

 

Dig dig dig then.

  & then start storing any waste that can not be recycled in the holes for retrieval when a few generations on their are those that might use it.

 

The Donald is going to pump pump pump, and frack frack frack and the people will need to row row row where there is water. and in the US states short of water import it. 

 

I hope any Cobalt in Scotland is left where it is until the demands for it has it at the highest prices.

 

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http://dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods-print

http://dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods

Lots of stuff people maybe want to stop buying.

 

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5 hours ago, EnterName said:

Beyond that, the Government are about to steal a bit more money from EV owners in the form of VED starting April next year, which I'm sure they'll find some stupid way to waste.

it's only starting to put EVs on a par with ICE  so stop complaining ;o)

Temporarily until the New Registered ICE vehicles get higher VED,s. 

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

http://dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods-print

http://dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods

Lots of stuff people maybe want to stop buying.

 

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I don't know about the other rare metals, but the Tantalum can be very volatile, capacitors using it are known to be particular fire hazards in their own and have to be used within strict tolerances, or they become little fireballs which given the right set of conditions could be nasty.

As to any Cobolt stocks in Scotland or anywhere else for that matter, I hope will stay there and that we would have found a safer material to use soon.

Edited 9 November, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 10 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Just a pointer outer that Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries are cobalt free.

 

Renault have been slowish to adopt LFP batteries but in 2025 the R5 and R4 will have LFP options that might take about half the sales.  TELSA and BYD are already massive LFP battery users.

 

LFP batteries are much safer upon piercing that pure lithium but have a lower energy density, not massively, something like 20% but they can be charger to 100% no bother whereas Lithium pure are advised to only be charged to about 80% on a regular basis.

 

The future appears more LFP, and maybe sodium and other base materials rather than what we call NMC, Nickel Molybdenum Colbalt ie Lithium batteries which are still popular to use due to energy density but LFP and other are expected to become the major EV battery over the next year or so. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 12 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Simple toilet. Only 20 pence but £1 would be ok at charging hubs in Scotland. 

 

Edited 12 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

18 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Just a pointer outer that Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries are cobalt free.

 

Renault have been slowish to adopt LFP batteries but in 2025 the R5 and R4 will have LFP options that might take about half the sales.  TELSA and BYD are already massive LFP battery users.

 

LFP batteries are much safer upon piercing that pure lithium but have a lower energy density, not massively, something like 20% but they can be charger to 100% no bother whereas Lithium pure are advised to only be charged to about 80% on a regular basis.

 

The future appears more LFP, and maybe sodium and other base materials rather than what we call NMC, Nickel Molybdenum Colbalt ie Lithium batteries which are still popular to use due to energy density but LFP and other are expected to become the major EV battery over the next year or so. 

 

If LFP batteries have a 20% reduction in energy density but can be charged to 100% capacity, but Li-ion batteries have the higher energy density but not best to charge them over 80% SOC, then the range is surely going to be exactly the same, because you have the same 20% difference by virtue of the 80% opposed to the 100% of the LFP? 

1 minute ago, Graham Butcher said:

If LFP batteries have a 20% reduction in energy density but can be charged to 100% capacity, but Li-ion batteries have the higher energy density but not best to charge them over 80% SOC, then the range is surely going to be exactly the same, because you have the same 20% difference by virtue of the 80% opposed to the 100% of the LFP? 

Correct. Tesla LR vehicles with NMC recommend charging to 80% and standard vehicles use LFP does not have this recommendation.

But NMC battery can charge and discharge faster than LFP for higher performance and dual motor applications. Also weighs less for better overall vehicle feel.

 

LFP have a very flat mid band voltage, ideal for longevity but battery management perceived state-of-charge will drift over time. So LFP vehicles actually have recommendation to charge to 100% every week (or is it month?) for calibration.

NMC have a completely linear voltage to state-of-charge correlation, so could go many months without touching extremes. May be a 100% charge once a year to ensure cells are completely balanced.

 

As with all things in engineering, there's trade offs. Of course, the 80% thing is only a recommendation, the end user could charge NMC to 100% all day every day and manufacturer will still honour warranty. It is may only add small amount of accelerated degradation. If it really affects degradation to trigger warranty, manufacturer wouldn't putting it as a recommendation.

5 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

If LFP batteries have a 20% reduction in energy density but can be charged to 100% capacity, but Li-ion batteries have the higher energy density but not best to charge them over 80% SOC, then the range is surely going to be exactly the same, because you have the same 20% difference by virtue of the 80% opposed to the 100% of the LFP? 

 

The 80% for pure Lithium is just a warning not to keep doing as it will eventually harm the battery's capacity but doing it one a week/weekend, over night, before that long trip seems to cause no perceptible effects in the first 1100 days I have had the Zoe ZE50 and that does not even have the more advanced systems of the Scenic where you go in the car before charging and set it to 80, 85, 90, 95 or 100 % the night before a substantial journey. Going to 100% once a week seems fine of Lithium, just not good to  charge it to 100% every night and leave it for day or days, that is not so good.

 

As said above with LFP just charge it right up and have it sat their on full charge.  LIke Lithium the batteries are getting several percent better every year on energy density but Lithium seems to maintain a bit of a lead over LFP fairly constantly.

 

I always have one of the cars sat on the drive with 80% ie 200 miles range if I need to go somewhere and on occasion we have used my son's full hybrid Clio, little 39 litre tank but with 500 mile range.   I think we will keep a hybrid until 80% battery is 300 miles plus, which it would have been if I had gone for the 87/92 kwh but that is not 300 motorway miles.  Renault are very honest and if one really bats it purely on the motorways, probably in technically illegal speeds, say indicated 80 mph in UK, indicate 130 kph plus a bit, then I don't think one would get 200 miles or about 300 kms.

 

The Scenic comes with a modular battery pack, in about a dozen chunks, and with the every falling price of battery packs, LG Chem in Renault case for the Lithium batteries, mot LFP come from the People's Republic of China.  we need that Cornish Lithium mining being ramped up ASAP and the Somerset battery factor also got on lines ASAP if the world is to enter Trade Wars as predicted under the Trump era.    

 

Let's help him get rid of this and get back driving a petrol car.   He needs all the clicks he can get.  He never has click bait titles...

How cruel if he was ever to have to buy a new EV battery. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

And they wonder why electric cars are not being adopted at the rate that they would like. Exactly the same result would happen if they were petrol pumps, at 37p more than those down the road, they would also be empty. They have got to get the price per kW sorted, there should never be that much of a differential in price.

Saw a Fisker Ocean in black today.  Looked very nice...   Just a shame they've gone bust.

20 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

And they wonder why electric cars are not being adopted at the rate that they would like. Exactly the same result would happen if they were petrol pumps, at 37p more than those down the road, they would also be empty. They have got to get the price per kW sorted, there should never be that much of a differential in price.

 

Not sure I would want to be part of the consortium who put quarter of a billion in to Gridserve.  They need to smarten up and quick.  First thing to do is to agree to accept the Octopus Elelectroverse card and really with the little but significant 5% discount that Electroverse normally has.  The nice thing about Electroverse is not that little 5% but the fact it just goes on to Octopus house billing system, shows up quickly but I am probably in credit and effectively it is not going to specifically pay it as it gets rolled in to my Octopus account along with my referal bonuses, DD, wheel spins, not won big yet, free electricity day credits etc etc.

 

Come on Gridserve, get with the program.  Come under the one card to rule them all. You too Tesla.  

 

    

£67 credit on Electroverse

Over £400 in credit with Octopus Energy

Over 55,000 points on Octopoints  (equivalent to £68)

 

May be I should start using expensive electricity (aka public charging) to make those numbers go down a bit Or decrease my direct debit further down from £50 to £30 per month. Winter gas bill will probably use up most of the credit, I really ought to get a heat pump........

 

The truth with Tesla ownership is that I just don't use public charging at all. This car has only seen 1 non Tesla CCS in Portree.

 

I do charge at AC destination chargers if they are price competitive though, this is the power with EV: they can charge while parked, effortlessly ready for the next drive.

Bit of a Tesla promotion but today's Dave

 

 

^^^T0$$er. 

 Bigger battery EV and a house with a drive / off street parking.   The great divide. 

Thine eyes are blind he can not see if he does not wear his glasses or open his mind. 

Gotta have that foresight to have driveway as a hard requirement when moving (2014 last moved, EV was already a thing, it's hard). Also play the market, both in financial and energy.

 

I must acknowledge currently EV have a vast difference in experience between those who have driveway and those who don't. This is obvious.

 

But at the very least I am sharing my real world experience, and it is easy to replicate for those who have. Unlike some people who only parrot other people without any real world experience.