Octopus giving free electricity for two hours, not their usual one, between 7am and 9am tomorrow the 24th of November. Greg Jackson for knighthood !!

 

Not sure if petrol and diesel station are doing anything similar or gas powered homes.

 

Fill your boots, or car traction batteries and home batteries !!!

 

Edited 23 November, 20241 yr by lol-lol

By my calculation:

- Blue car: 14 kWh

- Red car: 9 kWh

- Home bat: ~8 kWh

~30 kWh for free, stored for later use. 

 

May run a dishwasher clean cycle this time, done the washing machine last time.

 

I was just thinking it'd be good to have one such session to measure temperature on the electricity wiring after battery install to ensure everything is safe when everything were drawing their maximum (7 + 5 + 5 kW).  70 amps out of 100 amps 🥵

48 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

By my calculation:

- Blue car: 14 kWh

- Red car: 9 kWh

- Home bat: ~8 kWh

~30 kWh for free, stored for later use. 

 

May run a dishwasher clean cycle this time, done the washing machine last time.

 

I was just thinking it'd be good to have one such session to measure temperature on the electricity wiring after battery install to ensure everything is safe when everything were drawing their maximum (7 + 5 + 5 kW).  70 amps out of 100 amps 🥵

 

2 hours of 7.4 and 3.7 kws of charging so 22 kwh for the cars and should be able to get 3 kwh in to my batteries,might do some washing and drying.

Will be drawing about 60 amps i reckon and those National Grid guys changed my main fuse down from 100 A to 80A but I gather the 80A actually needs about 3 minutes at 160A to blow.

 

I am looking to build a 7 kw charger for home as the portable chargers are now very cheap, not much more than £100. Need to plug in to twin 13a or convert to a 32a commando socket. Son in law is an electrician so will get him to help.

 

 

 

At least some of those 90% ICE cars that BMW make are being delivered by electric trucks.

Electric Viking says BMW have bought electric trucks but I suspect it is a contract logistics arrangement between my company, CEVA LOGISTICS and BMW.

In all we deliver about 4M finished cars and that can by multiple modal methods ie electric trucks as seen.

We also increasingly use LNG powered ships to do sea movements of goods too in the effort to decarbonise.

 

 

 

^^^ Car Manufacturers buying the credits in the UK because they have to First Register 22% of EV cars and 10% light commercials / vans.

Kidology.  

The Electric Trucks in Norway or the Busses or the Electric Busses in the UK are not TESLA Semi's. 

The charging speeds are the charging speeds at present. 

 

 

 

Edited 24 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. 

 Or a version of the truth according to some.

 

'The jails are full, and we can not transport prisoners in Electric Vans / prisoner transport in case they are incinerated while detained at His Majesty's pleasure.'

EV,s are already frying some peoples brains apparently.

 

About time he did learn if you plug in before or after you pay at different types of chargers used many times surely after 3 years...

Pay attention to the job in hand.

 

He is not daft and has charged plenty on a 50 kW InstaVolt and will get just under 50 kWh in 60 Minutes into the Taycan and InstaVolt tariff is 85 pence a kWh.

So 45 kWh will be £38.25.   They do have 150kW charger these days.

Near 3 times the cost of the Porsche Charging and they are 350 kW chargers.

 

40 Minutes on a 50 kW charger then no more than 30 kWh charged so £25.50 or so.

 

He is not in the Car Park...   For car park charges, pay on exit. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 24 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

8 hours ago, Ootohere said:

 

 

35 mpg, why is it so bad? 
Similarly, only 2.6 mi/kwh in the Model Y? 
Are they driving like racing drivers all the time? 
 

Let’s be brutally honest, over those 1000 miles, the 10min refuel time is no where near enough of comfort breaks. The realistic way is to record all comfort breaks for solo car driver, taking it as best case scenarios. Comparison should be made whether driving an EV made the trip longer, if so how much is due to charging. 

That amount charging is ridiculous.   It is what i would need in a MINI Electric & then only charging as a 50 kW Max.

I would need 10 or 11 times 1 hours on a 50 kW charger, maybe even 70 minutes, and queuing time.

But overnight or food stops or just visits and a 11 kWh charger and 2 or 3 hours and a full battery or just a 7kW AC when ever.. 

Edited 24 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

15 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

2 hours of 7.4 and 3.7 kws of charging so 22 kwh for the cars and should be able to get 3 kwh in to my batteries,might do some washing and drying.

Will be drawing about 60 amps i reckon and those National Grid guys changed my main fuse down from 100 A to 80A but I gather the 80A actually needs about 3 minutes at 160A to blow.

 

I am looking to build a 7 kw charger for home as the portable chargers are now very cheap, not much more than £100. Need to plug in to twin 13a or convert to a 32a commando socket. Son in law is an electrician so will get him to help.

 

 

Downloaded 25 kwh. 

14 for the Scenic, 7 for the Zoe and r for the house batteries and clothes washing and drying.

 

Happy with that, apparently got to wait for a few days to see the credit but suppose it will be about £6. Not bad for doing something one would do anyways. 

 

More please Octopus and keep Octopus Go night time rate at 8 5p per kwh.

 

14 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Downloaded 25 kwh. 

So electricity also use computer words now? 🤣 

 

I “downloaded” 35 kWh according to Octopus app, adding 4 half hour segments on usage graph, data from smart meter via Octopus home mini CAD. 

Blue car up by 20% 7.4 kW charge point 

Red car up by 50% via 5 kW V2H 

Battery up by 55% 

Also done dish washer and oven clean cycle. 

Max EV charger allowed was 19.5 kW before it de-rating itself. So when oven turns on it slowed momentarily. 

Re the What Car guys video and 1,000 miles drive.

At least they are driving the cars like many people do drive and got what they got as far as efficiency / economy.

Far more like Real World than the round and round a proving ground track in convoy and that malarky, or the Carwow / Mat Watson drives on a Motorway and no pushing on because places to go and things or people to see. 

 

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

So electricity also use computer words now? 🤣 

 

I “downloaded” 35 kWh according to Octopus app, adding 4 half hour segments on usage graph, data from smart meter via Octopus home mini CAD. 

Blue car up by 20% 7.4 kW charge point 

Red car up by 50% via 5 kW V2H 

Battery up by 55% 

Also done dish washer and oven clean cycle. 

Max EV charger allowed was 19.5 kW before it de-rating itself. So when oven turns on it slowed momentarily. 

 

Thought "downloaded" is a more appropriate term as i am not using the vast majority of the power today but will be using later in the week. 

 

Bit used in real time to do the washing and drying, about 10%, 90% of the power for later. Free is great, presumably lots of wind rather than lots of solar and not many users so Octopus can give a couple hours for free.

 

2 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

If i get free power does that equate to infinity mpg ??? 

 

 

4 hours ago, wyx087 said:

So electricity also use computer words now? 🤣 

 

I “downloaded” 35 kWh according to Octopus app, adding 4 half hour segments on usage graph, data from smart meter via Octopus home mini CAD. 

Blue car up by 20% 7.4 kW charge point 

Red car up by 50% via 5 kW V2H 

Battery up by 55% 

Also done dish washer and oven clean cycle. 

Max EV charger allowed was 19.5 kW before it de-rating itself. So when oven turns on it slowed momentarily. 

 

I think the Scenic is every bit as much a computer station as a car. Even likes to be rebooted if one of the 12 inch screens need, or music/sound needs rebooting.

 

I think ICE drivers would be surprised just how much a smartphone is integrated with the car, not just charging but the information about the car history, servicing requirements etc.

 

Digital everything, nothing analogue i can think of anywhere.

 

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

I think the Scenic is every bit as much a computer station as a car. Even likes to be rebooted if one of the 12 inch screens need, or music/sound needs rebooting.

 

I think ICE drivers would be surprised just how much a smartphone is integrated with the car, not just charging but the information about the car history, servicing requirements etc.

 

Digital everything, nothing analogue i can think of anywhere.

Yep, that's the direction with cars. Debatable whether it's a good thing or not.

 

When it all works it works beautifully, thankfully I've not personally experienced any failures in any area. But I'm always willing to spend more to buy into the best software ecosystem: Tesla, Apple (phones), nVidia (computer graphics card), DJI (drones), Steam (handhold gaming), etc.

 

 

Painted EV Charging bay ground in the main bl00dy dangerous when icy/ frozen.    Non Porous treatments covering the whole area not just lines.

Surely not just the infirm / disabled must have issues.

 

There are non-slip finishes but these are not common at chargers.   So if there is not staff responsible for salting / deicing the surface / bay they do need to 'think on'.

 

As do the reviewers / bloggers / vloggers when visiting chargers.  Think!  Think is the getting to the screen actually suitable for all. 

 

PS.

When DAVE is working out the comparison Electric vs petrol is he going on the EV getting 4 miles a kWh?

 

10 kWh & 79 pence a kWh is £7.90 for 40 miles.

But 3.5 miles a kWh just 35 miles.

3.1 as seems common on motorways, cold weather various vehicles, 31 miles.

 

60 pence a kWh, x 10 £6.00  for 35 miles just, is not great. 

 

135 pence a litre unleaded, x 4.546 litres = £6.13 a gallon. 

 

...............................

Well done here.

See things as others might see. Try walking in another's shoes, or wheels.

(Not enough Designers, Engineers, Architects, Planners get a Wheel Chair and go visit the sites, and if you point out flaws or bad design to them they say that it meets regulations, requirements etc as i have been told more than a few times.)

 

 

 

Edited 25 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

On 25/11/2024 at 07:43, Ootohere said:

Painted EV Charging bay ground in the main bl00dy dangerous when icy/ frozen.    Non Porous treatments covering the whole area not just lines.

Surely not just the infirm / disabled must have issues.

 

There are non-slip finishes but these are not common at chargers.   So if there is not staff responsible for salting / deicing the surface / bay they do need to 'think on'.

 

As do the reviewers / bloggers / vloggers when visiting chargers.  Think!  Think is the getting to the screen actually suitable for all. 

 

PS.

When DAVE is working out the comparison Electric vs petrol is he going on the EV getting 4 miles a kWh?

 

10 kWh & 79 pence a kWh is £7.90 for 40 miles.

But 3.5 miles a kWh just 35 miles.

3.1 as seems common on motorways, cold weather various vehicles, 31 miles.

 

60 pence a kWh, x 10 £6.00  for 35 miles just, is not great. 

 

135 pence a litre unleaded, x 4.546 litres = £6.13 a gallon. 

 

...............................

Well done here.

See things as others might see. Try walking in another's shoes, or wheels.

(Not enough Designers, Engineers, Architects, Planners get a Wheel Chair and go visit the sites, and if you point out flaws or bad design to them they say that it meets regulations, requirements etc as i have been told more than a few times.)

 

 

 

Clearly not bothered about people using the slippery surface they have created for their users. Much cheapness to be had I expect that not buying antislip treatment, until someone has accident and sues them. 

Edited 28 November, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Applying punitive measures for companies failing to meet arbitrary EV sales targets means some people will feel the sharp end of the punishment.

Fortunately none of the lovely affluent Briskodians will be affected, but some Vauxhall workers will have a less than merry Christmas this year.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/stellantis-shut-its-van-factory-luton-england-2024-11-26/

 

This Labour Government is going to have to act over this Mandate that is in place having come about while the Tories formed a government.    @EnterName are you saying that you think that there are members here earning more than employees at Stellantis Van Factories who do not care.   Your making assumptions or trying to make some political point are you not?    It was people who voted in the past governments that have the manufacturing in the UK where it is now.      Do you have less income than an employee in a Van manufacturing factory or more?  Do you think you are affluent?

@EnterName elephant in the room, Stellantis Electric Vans have very poor efficiency.  Pathetic range from the 50 or 75kW batteries.  They are a total PITA for many drivers that have to drive them because this is what their employers landed them with.     PS. I do feel sorry for these drivers.  Yesterday the ex Vauxhall factory said that Companies could not afford drivers sitting charging and not driving for 1 hour while charging.   Actually the saving on fuel to companies and saving on taxes pays easily an hour of a tradesman or a driver for many companies.    For those with high hourly rate employees they might not give them an EV or give them a more efficient one and with faster charging speeds.  Like the Management might have as a Company Car even if they do not travel for their job. 

Edited 28 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

On 24/11/2024 at 13:38, wyx087 said:

35 mpg, why is it so bad? 
Similarly, only 2.6 mi/kwh in the Model Y? 
Are they driving like racing drivers all the time? 
 

Let’s be brutally honest, over those 1000 miles, the 10min refuel time is no where near enough of comfort breaks. The realistic way is to record all comfort breaks for solo car driver, taking it as best case scenarios. Comparison should be made whether driving an EV made the trip longer, if so how much is due to charging. 

I thought it said on the article that they were sticking at around the motorway speed limit of 130kmh (81mph) though it said somewhere about one of the EVs reducing speed at one point to try and eke out enough miles to get to the next charger.

35mpg certainly does seem low, it's what I normally get in a worst case scenario on a trip to Germany which means car fully loaded plus a roofbox and cruising at up to 105mph where possible. With a little planning it would have been possible to reduce the cost of the ICE car substantially by utilising PFS close to but not actually on the autoroutes where the fuel price would be quite a bit less. I always use the Shell station at Aachen Brand in Germany which is literally at the end of the slip road (so no additional diversion to a 'proper' services) and where fuel is typically 40 cents a litre cheaper (and the toilets are free) than the 'proper' services at Aachener Land just a few miles on (also Shell).

Obviously can't really comment on the 2.6 miles/kW/h but probably noteworthy that it seems this was measured 'brim to brim' so to speak (the trip computer said 4 miles/kWh).

13 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

This Labour Government is going to have to act over this Mandate that is in place having come about while the Tories formed a government.    @EnterName are you saying that you think that there are members here earning more than employees at Stellantis Van Factories who do not care.   Your making assumptions or trying to make some political point are you not?    It was people who voted in the past governments that have the manufacturing in the UK where it is now.      Do you have less income than an employee in a Van manufacturing factory or more?  Do you think you are affluent?

There should be no punitive quota system in place, IMO. Let the market decide, the market is ALWAYS right.

It's damaging and as you highlight, it can be used as an excuse for the failure of a poor product.

That said, not having your poor vehicles bought should be punishment enough, without throwing Government fines on top.

 

In the real world, the wheels seem to be starting to loosen on the "Green" gravy train (it's too early to say they're coming off), so things might improve in time, though there are a lot of vested interests keen to make sure that train keeps rolling on. But in the end, reality will always foil utopian ideology, however hard it's pushed.