Plenty are towing now with EV,s cars and vans and 5% of 30 million or what ever might be too much.

 

There are plenty now with one vehicle, the one for work and private use and they might have that being an EV, 

and towing a portable accommodation is their thing.

 

Those i have been going in the same direction as are usually nipping on.  Big EV tow cars and younger drivers in the main, not those going Curling at Stranrae though.

 

I make sure to get past them before the charger / charging hub because what a PITA they are, especially the public chargers at Stirling or the single charger at Turnberry.

Unhooking the caravan or just blocking you in and then asking, 'are you charging'.

No just sitting with a cable in and a blue light on the charger for giggles.

25 minutes ago, Dieselgate said:

Me neither. The difference is I would probably arrive at my destination a lot earlier.

Ok, Mr Iron Bladder.

Having a quick pee in a lay-by is a pretty common thing on roads that are not motorways, or is that just me? 

Many hours in a day in much of Scotland there is no alternative / places open. 

Edited 7 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

14 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Having a quick pee in a lay-by is a pretty common thing on roads that are not motorways, or is that just me? 

Many hours in a day in much of Scotland there is no alternative / places open. 

I see it fairly frequently by the side of motorways too these days🤦‍♂️

4 minutes ago, Dieselgate said:

I see it fairly frequently by the side of motorways too these days🤦‍♂️

 

Pity the fairer sex. 

 

We do not get motorways north or Perth so i would need to travel south to be doing that and as scarce as Traffic Police are i would be sure to be caught, not just caught out. 

 

@lol-lol

never seen them have an issue if wearing a skirt / dress, maybe no nickers.

 

By the way my local dog walking / dogging area has condoms left every morning now and people have stopped parking there now.

 

Some EV charger hubs should really have condom machines & bins. 

These unlit areas which have very few customers are attracting all sorts in EV,s or alternative fuelled vehicles. 

Edited 7 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

4 hours ago, Ootohere said:

There is on Tiktok an EV Fire in Arbroath about 3 weeks ago.

A Gold / Bronze Peugeot it looks like, at the road along to the prom. wall and grass embankment one side of the road.

2 Fire persons with hoses putting out the fire or controlling it in the line of parked cars.

 

I never know if an EV or a Hybrid, but likely one off these.

 

It always looks quite relaxed when people film these EV car fires that are not National or International News.   Looks easy to put out, the flats / houses not all destroyed.

 

This EV car fire is nothing to do with the very big fire in Arbroath on Bonefire Night this week only a few hundred yards away.

Set off by Fireworks....

 

 

Also, do we actually know that it is an EV or a hybrid, and if it was/is then the battery does not appear to be involved, not every EV fire is going to be battery related, they suffer the same other fire hazards that ICE cars do, electrical from 12V battery system and of course discarded cigarette ends etc. 

@EnterName  I think this video perfectly explains why there is scepticism over climate science. Starts at where he talks about the scientists agenda. Earlier in the video talks about the source of 2009 "climategate".

 

 

 

Basically:

Everyone has an agenda, different wings of media, the climate scientists, you and I. Everyone's agenda is formed from their personal experience and their view of the world. Everyone is pushing an agenda that is backed by their individual circumstances.

 

Quote

Many of the lay critics of the IPCC authors were right:
the latter were, in fact, "pushing" a message. But every scientific paper pushes a
message, so what was different about this one, and why was it so incendiary?
We could note that this is a message with sweeping political, economic,
and social consequences and chalk the critics' resistance up to that. However,
there remains a dynamic in the reception of the CRU emails and the proxy-series
graphs that requires deeper explanation:
the predictable way in which critics moved from inferring the graphs'
causal argument to attacking the ethos of the scientists who designed it.

 

Scientists are humans, each have their own agenda. The willingness of the media to portray climategate as proof that one shouldn't trust scientists also born out of their own agenda. Difference is, the scientists are beholden to the scientific method whereas the media can write anything as long as there is skippet of relatable information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

 

That also explains why we have a few scientists and individuals who are saying the opposite from consensus. Those individuals also have their own agenda to push. And it begs the question who do we trust. Individuals who have not managed to get their conjecture through the hundreds of years scientific method, or majority of scientistic who have all reached consensus?

On 07/11/2024 at 11:33, wyx087 said:

Don't know about you, I certainly have zero problem driving to mainland Europe at drop of a hat. Zero planning needed. 

only problem is that it's at least 12 hours to get to the ferry port so unless we're taking the camper van to holiday in we use Easyjet

On 07/11/2024 at 09:58, Ootohere said:

@domhnall the real EV thing is that many do not need to travel far, or have an EV that can go quite far on a charge. 

Does the job.

 

Then really that 150 mile range EV, or 200 mile range if lucky, but it is not Summer / Lucky season & when you get a call to go someplace in an emergency is a right PITA.

Someone has a few hours maybe to live, go visit them on their death bed. or family needs you to go look after the kids.

Unexpected stuff.

 

Car is not fully charged, so off to a charger, then on your way, usually you take your time, this time you are in a hurry and you just want on a charger and away.

You get there near empty, they have no charger, the 3 pin socket is no place near your car.

 

That is when we take the ICE vehicle if we have one. 

Like when you are feeling really crap but need to travel someplace in Scotland & it is where there still are not Commercial Chargers available.

Luckily fewer and fewer places. 

george as you should well know since you appear to follow me on youtube, I have got videos where I have filmed this very scenarion:  one where I engineeered it (by not filling up when staying in Manchester and then driving back to edinburgh without the car being fully charged) and then two others that were real life:  one coming back from Rugby to Edinburgh where I suddenly got a 70 mile diversion, and the other where I was at work, not charged and got a call telling me I had to go to Peterhead during an amber alert that became a red storm alert to collect my child from a school camp. 

So yeah I get that in real life stuff happens, it's happened to me. What hasn't happened is that I have had to go to a part of the country that doesn't have electricity. 

 

Edited 8 November, 20241 yr by domhnall

15 minutes ago, domhnall said:

only problem is that it's at least 12 hours to get to the ferry port so unless we're taking the camper van to holiday in we use Easyjet

Surely not that far to Newcastle or Hull?

1 minute ago, Dieselgate said:

Surely not that far to Newcastle or Hull?

we did Hull inthe Summer, 7.5 hours, and was close to £1000. Newcastle wanted £1500 and was still 4 hours. South coast ferries cost buttons. But Easyjet is cheaper and then hire a car

 

Octopus now allow the thousands of their clients on the GO tariff to export back to grid and they can earn 15p a kwh.

 

So GO customers can now download power at 8.5 p per kwh during the night period and sell back to the grid at 15p therefore making 6.5p per kwh a few hours later.

 

This is effectively turning us GO client's as micro battery storage for the grid.  Whether we use our batteries or cars, if V2G capable, this should have a positive effect on stopping using gas etc peak demand hydrocarbon plants.

 

Not worth it for me yet as I think one needs lithium iron phosphate or similar batteries as pure lithium batteries deg would outweigh any marginal payment between import and export values.  

 

Wider differential might occur. I recall reading that lecky production could sell for up to a £1 a kwh at some times and as we know Octopus will sometimes supply lecky for free and Agile customers have even been paid to take surplus lecky.

 

Edited 8 November, 20241 yr by lol-lol

5 minutes ago, domhnall said:

we did Hull inthe Summer, 7.5 hours, and was close to £1000. Newcastle wanted £1500 and was still 4 hours. South coast ferries cost buttons. But Easyjet is cheaper and then hire a car

 

What, you flew and created all that nasty pollution 🤣

2 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

What, you flew and created all that nasty pollution 🤣

At least it's not a ICE car

https://ourworldindata.org/travel-carbon-footprint

12 minutes ago, domhnall said:

we did Hull inthe Summer, 7.5 hours, and was close to £1000. Newcastle wanted £1500 and was still 4 hours. South coast ferries cost buttons. But Easyjet is cheaper and then hire a car

 

Yes I agree, they are expensive. For us the advantage in taking the car is the simplicity of being able to just load up the car with everything you want and just go.

We are also only 45 minutes from Dover which is an added bonus.

8 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Octopus now allow the thousands of their clients on the GO tariff to export back to grid and they can earn 15p a kwh.

 

So GO customers can now download power at 8.5 p per kwh during the night period and sell back to the grid at 15p therefore making 6.5p per kwh af hours later.

 

This is effectively turning us GO client's as micro battery storage for the grid.  Whether we use our batteries or cars, if V2G capable, this should have a positive effect on stopping using gas etc peak demand hydrocarbon plants.

 

Not worth it for me yet as I think one needs lithium iron phosphate or similar batteries as pure lithium batteries deg would outweigh any marginal payment between import and export values.  

 

Wider differential might occur. I recall reading that lecky production could sell for up to a £1 a kwh at some times and as we know Octopus will sometimes supply lecky for free and Agile customers have even been paid to take surplus lecky.

 

It's been 7p buy in and 15p export for a while on Intelligent Go. Very interesting they've added more people onto it. As electricity price slowly decreased, they've decreased business export rates. People were saying these 15p domestic export rates were about to end. Evidentially not.

 

I've been thinking about sign up SEG (https://octopus.energy/smart/smart-export-guarantee/) with my new Powerwall 3, it has LFP battery. But then I'd loose FIT deemed 50% export because going from deemed to SEG is one way street. But my solar is so small using the battery to play the energy market via SEG probably gives better return.

 

One more reason to sign up to SEG is to get up to £2 per kwh payments during saving session events. I now have capability to dump 16 kW of power into the grid and effectively get paid £30 per 1hr saving session.

18 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

At least it's not a ICE car

https://ourworldindata.org/travel-carbon-footprint

There are going to be a LOT of assumptions that have to be satisfied for that graph to be true.

 

17 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Everyone has an agenda, different wings of media, the climate scientists, you and I. Everyone's agenda is formed from their personal experience and their view of the world. Everyone is pushing an agenda that is backed by their individual circumstances.

 

Quote

Many of the lay critics of the IPCC authors were right:
the latter were, in fact, "pushing" a message. But every scientific paper pushes a
message, so what was different about this one, and why was it so incendiary?
We could note that this is a message with sweeping political, economic,
and social consequences and chalk the critics' resistance up to that. However,
there remains a dynamic in the reception of the CRU emails and the proxy-series
graphs that requires deeper explanation:
the predictable way in which critics moved from inferring the graphs'
causal argument to attacking the ethos of the scientists who designed it.

Expand  

 

Scientists are humans, each have their own agenda. The willingness of the media to portray climategate as proof that one shouldn't trust scientists also born out of their own agenda. Difference is, the scientists are beholden to the scientific method whereas the media can write anything as long as there is skippet of relatable information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

 

That also explains why we have a few scientists and individuals who are saying the opposite from consensus. Those individuals also have their own agenda to push. And it begs the question who do we trust. Individuals who have not managed to get their conjecture through the hundreds of years scientific method, or majority of scientistic who have all reached consensus?

My "agenda" is a desire for me, my family and my extended family in the form of my people, to be left to get on with life with minimum disturbance or interference from anyone else, and with the least amount of government possible.

All of my politics boil down to that.

11 minutes ago, EnterName said:

There are going to be a LOT of assumptions that have to be satisfied for that graph to be true.

 

My "agenda" is a desire for me, my family and my extended family in the form of my people, to be left to get on with life with minimum disturbance or interference from anyone else, and with the least amount of government possible.

All of my politics boil down to that.

 

the idea of little government is superficially attractive but then you look at what it was like when there was none and it was OK to send kids up chimneys, no social security for those who need it, no regulation of safety and food standards, water and all that sort of thing. I suspect we all like being left to get on with life but want that base load of things like roads, power, education, law and order, defence, consumer protection etc all the things that a central government facilitates

40 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

At least it's not a ICE car

https://ourworldindata.org/travel-carbon-footprint

 

the reality is that to get to the mainland flying is the only practical way to get there without adding in days of travelling.  Same when goign to see my in laws in Ireland. Thirty minutes on Easyjet means we can be there after work on a Friday night, the ferry means three hours driving to the port, an hour before checkin, two and a half hours on the ferry, then an hour driving at the far side. So we would have to travel in Saturday morning but have to turn round and leave again at Sunday lunchtime. Sometimes flying is the only option other than staying at home. 

 

The Scottish Government have dropped the planned ban on Wood Burning Stoves / heating in new homes. 

 Renewable fuel, and needed by many in rural or not so rural locations.  (I assume Bio-mass heating was / is OK as there are housing developments that have that and companies providing the bio-mass fuel, wood from trees...)

The ban on Gas or Oil Burning heating / stoves in New builds goes ahead. 

Edited 8 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, domhnall said:

the idea of little government is superficially attractive but then you look at what it was like when there was none

and it was OK to send kids up chimneys,

I have no problem with kids working. Children being made to work in unsafe conditions is unacceptable. (Unless you need cobalt for you EV, amirite? 😈)

 

no social security for those who need it,

That's what charity is for.

 

no regulation of safety and food standards,

Yeah, we've gone way too far in that direction. Also where were food standards when trans-fats were introduced?

As a society, we eat less natural food than we used too. All because there's an assumption that someone else has done all the thinking, so we can buy and eat whatever we want, safe in the knowledge the Government says it's safe.

 

water and all that sort of thing.

Safe water is a must. But we nailed that over a century ago.

 

I suspect we all like being left to get on with life but want that base load of things like roads, power, education, law and order, defence, consumer protection etc all the things that a central government facilitates

No, a central government gets in the way of that. Local government is superior to central government.

Our roads are terrible.

Our power supply is straining.

Law and order is pretty much run as an anarcho-tyranny.

Our defence is rubbish. Anyone with a dinghy can invade the country. All our military seems to do, is hop around the world killing people that the US/Israel say are a "threat to democracy" and getting themselves killed for no good reason whatsoever. The last time they did anything substantive for the benefit of the UK was the Falklands conflict, and I wouldn't put it past the current government to simply hand the Falklands over to Argentina.

Consumer protection is hit and miss, but IMO, caveat emptor is better than assuming everything is fine because someone else has done all the thinking for you.

 

14 minutes ago, EnterName said:

 

 you need more cobalt for your petrol and diesel than for EVs though. And your phone and laptop

as for charity how come so many of our veterans are on the street? I met Simon Weston CBE the other week. We lost just over 200 men in action in the Falkland and nealry 4 times that many since due to suicide because we leave it to charity to look after the mental health and welfare of our veterans. Food banks right now can't keep up because people aren't able to donate enough. Sorry but I think the measure of a civilsed society is how it treats the most vulnerable. The Dickensian idea that we should leave it to charity is, well, Dickensian. 

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

The Scottish Government have dropped the planned ban on Wood Burning Stoves / heating in new homes. 

 Renewable fuel, and needed by many in rural or not so rural locations.  (I assume Bio-mass heating was / is OK as there are housing developments that have that and companies providing the bio-mass fuel, wood from trees...)

The ban on Gas or Oil Burning heating / stoves in New builds goes ahead. 

damit. Cowards. Despite being in a so called smokeless zone I now need touse an inhaler in the winter here. I'm fine in the summer when the neighbours aren't all burning wood. We can't hang washing out to dry either as it all has to be washed again due to the smell of smoke

Edited 8 November, 20241 yr by domhnall