Nothing new then. No revelations.

Just the same old same old.

& those that have issues with BEV,s like Just Get a Tesla or The MacMaster and the Guitar man will likely keep on getting EV,s.

So the Truth of Ev,s is if you do not have one then that is a choice and if you do have one you might get more in the future.

1 hour ago, Evolution13 said:

Nothing new then. No revelations.

Just the same old same old.

& those that have issues with BEV,s like Just Get a Tesla or The MacMaster and the Guitar man will likely keep on getting EV,s.

So the Truth of Ev,s is if you do not have one then that is a choice and if you do have one you might get more in the future.

I really don't get the negativity of some EV owners towards ICE owners or why so many apparently object to an ICE owner like me posting in this section, it most certainly does not send out any vibes to encourage anyone to join in with the go electric move, does it?

I was asking a question about that poor Canadian owner's experience, which if that is typical, likewise does not help the cause of EVs growth does it.

While I don't currently have one, reasons already explained elsewhere in this thread, it does not stop me and many other ICE owners being interested in them, does it? And for the record, my interest is one of professional interest as I have been all my life an electrical engineer until I retired, and still have a interest in all things electrical, apart from the fact that if my circumstances chance, I might also consider getting an BEV car as my long distance trips become less common and more city trips and much cheapness with charging.

Edited 28 October, 202528 Oct by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcher Why do you not get it?

They will have been ICE owners and might still be. What they might find irksome is guff from those getting 2nd and 3rd info, and often just Anti-stuff.

Are there many Canadian members on here?

Plenty UK members who were not born yesterday.

'Poor Canadian owner'.

Is that 'Unfortunate' Owner in Canada, or Financially POOR.?

A Vlogger, another money maker Youtube poster.

What a sad sad tale he tells about his Canadian Insurer, and the Postal Service.

@Graham Butcher Are you an EV owner / user or did you mean to post you are not a EV owner / user ?

Edited 28 October, 202528 Oct by Evolution13

1 minute ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher Why do you not get it?

They will have been ICE owners and might still be. What they might find irksome is guff from those getting 2nd and 3rd info, and often just Anti-stuff.

Are there many Canadian members on here?

Plenty UK members who were not born yesterday.

Oh, now I know who you are, talking about irksome guff, it is also a 2 way street you do realise that many people may be just as irritated by some of the guff coming from many EV owners.

I hope that you will also understand that anything coming from you EV owners is also going to be 2nd and 3rd info to us ICE owners? Also, there is simply loads of Anti ICE stuff from many EV owners so as I said, its a 2 way street.

Oh and for the record, it would appear that we now have a 100% electric bus here in Chelmsford running some routes, not sure if it is permanent or a bus being trailed?

Insurance companies will go for the best solution for them. Car repairers will go for the best option for the quickest fix.

It doesn't mean it's the cheapest way it's just the most efficient, Labour costs being so high.

In the scenario in this video for the sake of a broken battery coolant pipe fitting Tesla would go for changing the battery, then sending the battery for refurbish and testing for supplying to another crashed damaged car later. Doesn't mean that someone with the right knowledge and time could not do it cheaper. But it does cap the cost to a price for the repair and keeps the car safe after the impact.

The guy in the video says straight forward repair, see what you think?

Edited 28 October, 202528 Oct by Stonekeeper

29 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher Why do you not get it?

They will have been ICE owners and might still be. What they might find irksome is guff from those getting 2nd and 3rd info, and often just Anti-stuff.

Are there many Canadian members on here?

Plenty UK members who were not born yesterday.

'Poor Canadian owner'.

Is that 'Unfortunate' Owner in Canada, or Financially POOR.?

A Vlogger, another money maker Youtube poster.

What a sad sad tale he tells about his Canadian Insurer, and the Postal Service.

@Graham Butcher Are you an EV owner / user or did you mean to post you are not a EV owner / user ?

48 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher Why do you not get it?

They will have been ICE owners and might still be. What they might find irksome is guff from those getting 2nd and 3rd info, and often just Anti-stuff.

Are there many Canadian members on here?

Plenty UK members who were not born yesterday.

'Poor Canadian owner'.

Is that 'Unfortunate' Owner in Canada, or Financially POOR.?

A Vlogger, another money maker Youtube poster.

What a sad sad tale he tells about his Canadian Insurer, and the Postal Service.

@Graham Butcher Are you an EV owner / user or did you mean to post you are not a EV owner / user ?

Oh OK, I made a typo, nothing that you haven't done many times before, but I have the ability to realise that it was a typo and make an issue out of it, do I? You know perfectly well that I have an ICE car and that I have never owned or driven and EV, as do the other regular contributors. I also do not question or criticise any of you for choosing to go electric, I'm not anti-electric, I am anti being told that that people wanting to buy a brand-new car have to consider going electric and will be forced to have one before long if they want a brand-new one. This is because the technology still has a long way to go before it can rival everything that and ICE vehicle can do and do it well.

Also I'm amazed that you have a downer on anyone deciding to have a YouTube channel featuring their life with an electric car and making money from it, its their choice just and if they can make money with it, then good luck to them I say, if they can make a living from it, why not? Add in to that, Just Get a Tesla is not all about bashing Teslas any more than the MacMaster is about bashing Porsche or electric cars full stop. I'm sure that he would be the very first to admit that he was a hypocrite if that was the case. He freely and open admits that he loves the car and the way that electric cars generally drive, yes there are certain aspects about it that he does not like, just as there are with mine and if you're honest, you must have about your car(s). No car is perfect, ever.

Very true @Graham Butcher you never ever pick up on every word in others posts and debate them endlessly even typos. Well not often, not yesterday.

As to forced soon to have a new EV if you want a new car, we will see, there will be a General Election and it can be all change. Not that it should bother those that buy used cars normally.

Advances in BEV,s over the past 5 years are really pretty good and that might well be even more so in the next 5.

PS

I have not a Downer on Vloggers / Youtubers, but since they are on a little earner it does help boost their income when there is a 'Crisis' or an 'Issue' to get out a vid about when everything else is just So so.

Following their experiences of getting on just fine and getting cheap motoring does not get so many clicks maybe. Then there are those that just tell a story from the Media or someone else's experience.

Edited 28 October, 202528 Oct by Evolution13

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

This is precisely what happened with my car, I had to fight them to understand that a Superb is not just a bog-standard entry level one, they come in various trim, almost doubling the cheapest options, and yet they base their valuations on the lowest spec cars when it comes to paying a claim

The way around this is to challenge their offer with evidence. Find equivalent cars on autotrader to back up your claim and dig in. Once they make a write off offer your procrastination starts increasing their costs and if you have a valid case you get a lot closer to your true replacement cost. usually the mean of examples evidenced.

Touch wood only twice have I had to do that.

Exactly @Evolution13, there is no need for anyone to get hot under the collar or personal in this or any other thread, but sadly we do have some who do. The same goes for content from other countries, be it good or bad, just because something like that has not happened here in the UK, does not mean that it won't. We can all, learn things from each other if we keep our minds open to different points of view. The moment we take up combatant positions, mutual respect for each other flies out the window, and then admin has to step in, which none of us want that.

10 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

The way around this is to challenge their offer with evidence. Find equivalent cars on autotrader to back up your claim and dig in. Once they make a write off offer your procrastination starts increasing their costs and if you have a valid case you get a lot closer to your true replacement cost. usually the mean of examples evidenced.

Touch wood only twice have I had to do that.

Precisely that, I also had to do that when my lovely 2013 Superb L&K, which had from new, both as a company car and then became the owner and the only driver of it ever apart from mechanics when in for servicing, got written off by someone doing stupid things on the road. In a no fault accident, then you should be automatically reinstated in a similar car and condition, so you are not in a worse position than you were in prior to the accident.

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

Insurance companies will go for the best solution for them. Car repairers will go for the best option for the quickest fix.

It doesn't mean it's the cheapest way it's just the most efficient, Labour costs being so high.

In the scenario in this video for the sake of a broken battery coolant pipe fitting Tesla would go for changing the battery, then sending the battery for refurbish and testing for supplying to another crashed damaged car later. Doesn't mean that someone with the right knowledge and time could not do it cheaper. But it does cap the cost to a price for the repair and keeps the car safe after the impact.

A good and interesting video for sure and we need far more people doing what he does and I suspect that if the owner had tried to make a claim on his insurance that he would be saying goodbye to his beloved Telsa as they would write it off and with the payout, he would be struggling to find another 2018 model with the same spec of his old one without having to add a big wedge of his own money to it. Thanks for sharing.

Edited 28 October, 202528 Oct by Graham Butcher

13 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Secondly, there is NO need any extra hardware installed in the AC charger or socket on the car for data to be dumped onto the power line. That hardware could be anywhere in the car and 2 wires attached to the circuitry anywhere, as long as there is nothing to block it's passage around the cars loom.

So the hardware is needed in the car.

Then ask yourself, why would there be such hardware for all existing cars when there's no prior requirement?

13 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

The wiring in your house also does not require any extra hardware, the wiring is just a means of transporting a low voltage high, frequency signal which is also extremely low power, it's a conductor only. The data only requires hardware at the point of it being extracted from the local power supply. This could be a very small box located at the end of the street and can extract the signals for every house in your local neighbourhood as long as they are on the same power phase.

First, local substations receive 3 phase and distribute it, so houses are not on the same phase.

Second, even if those boxes exist, they still wouldn't reliably work across all different types of RCBO switches.

Third, again, where are the hardware inside cars?

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

This video, in case anyone missed it which clearly shows that some EV's can be accessed remotely courtesy of the mobile internet.

Remote access for diagnostics, is this anything wrong with this?

Are you telling me wasting day taking the car to the dealer is better?

How does remote diagnostics = remotely reading mileage?

13 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

No tin foil hats involved, its entirely possible and there are secret tests of loads of things going on right in front us every day that we are not aware of. That is how new ideas etc are tested to discover if they work or not before they even get mentioned in trade press etc.

Time to start seeing sense. Back up your theories or dial it back. If I see any more of your theories, I'll start reporting your posts.

13 hours ago, mac11irl said:

dial ...... and the unsupported theories back

16 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

A good and interesting video for sure and we need far more people doing what he does and I suspect that if the owner had tried to make a claim on his insurance that he would be saying goodbye to his beloved Telsa as they would write it off and with the payout, he would be struggling to find another 2018 model with the same spec of his old one without having to add a big wedge of his own money to it. Thanks for sharing.

The problem with car insurance repairs and write offs is that thousands of skilled mechanics and painters & body repair professionals have left the trade and not enough new ones are coming in. At the same time the cars, whatever their power source, have become even more complicated. Hence relativity minor damage becomes “unrepairable” especially within a timeframe involving hire cars being provided etc.

11 minutes ago, classic said:

The problem with car insurance repairs and write offs is that thousands of skilled mechanics and painters & body repair professionals have left the trade and not enough new ones are coming in. At the same time the cars, whatever their power source, have become even more complicated. Hence relativity minor damage becomes “unrepairable” especially within a timeframe involving hire cars being provided etc.

Are you a subscriber to that channel? I am, and it is a must-watch channel in my eyes, they have taken on all kinds of cars, even EVs. Some of the cars, like that Golf will be, are turned around with just the Chris and Rob working on them (apart from paint, which they farm out) are so often turned around and restored to as good as new again in a just few days, sometimes, the same day.

I'm not so sure your theory is correct, it might be in your area, but there are loads of accident repair centres around here. When my Superb was taken to the insurers preferred body shop, the estimator said it would be about £5.5k for a new front bumper, grill, N/s, bonnet, wing and headlight and the bonnet had a slight bend on the edge where it met the grill and the wing, which could easily be straightened. They valued the car at £7k and that was their final value and fixed offer. That was the broker and I said I was not happy with that as other cars, with more miles were costing £11k so I declined.

In the meantime, I went to the first body shop to remove some personal items as I felt that the car might be written, and discovered that they had done further damage to the car while it was in their care. The person who I spoke to there had said that it was a lovely car and that they were looking to buy it from the insurer. That struck me as being rather odd.

After more wrangling, the broker passed it over the underwriters, who said that they would return the car to me as it should not have been taken away and left without my permission and that they would have it reassessed, which they did, but still not enough, then I found three example of similar spec, age, condition cars on Autotrader (driven over a 1,200 miles looking at other cars) and submitted the findings, and they did eventually lift their offer to £10,500 which I accepted and found another for £11.5K but a MK3.

So there it is, it was purchased from Copart way under the asking price (circa £2k) and was back on the road 2 weeks later, so it would have been far cheaper to have had repaired in the first place without body shops trying to rip the insurance companies off. I think that they have made the whole process more expensive and time-consuming by relying on body shops quotes and photos, instead of inspecting the damage themselves.

Assessing, costing can be done & is very much these days done with the use of On-line Platforms.

By 'Certified Professionals'.

Makes for some crazy costs of repairs / estimates.

That needs to stop, makes insurance costs go up, cost insurers more in the long run per repair if they end up just writing them off. Someone, somewhere lost a load of money, I had a hire car for almost a month, got £10.5K payout, and copart sold it for around £2k, so how does that work?

Who is going to stop it then? The Finance Establishments / Insurers, Motor Trade / Repairers, Salvage industry>

Maybe the UK Government or Agency that is going to look at EU Type Approved cars headlights as they are on UK roads.

Just go back to the days pre AI. have it all done by a guy / gal who trained as a motor engineer / panel beater - painter.

Edited 29 October, 202529 Oct by Evolution13

54 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Who is going to stop it then? The Finance Establishments / Insurers, Motor Trade / Repairers, Salvage industry>

Maybe the UK Government or Agency that is going to look at EU Type Approved cars headlights as they are on UK roads.

Just go back to the days pre AI. have it all done by a guy / gal who trained as a motor engineer / panel beater - painter.

All very impressive, but you know as well as I do, that system will allow for the worst case when structural damage happens in a crash, brackets that cannot be seen by a camera, but a few minutes on a ramp will confirm if they are required or not and a whole raft of other things, like headlights, fine if they are visibly smashed beyond repair, but so often they can be repaired for a few pounds with the addition of new fixing lugs/brackets, I've seen that done so many times. Headlights on a Superb are circa £1,400 each, repair lugs £10 etc. Many times second hands parts or pattern parts will be fitted as once sprayed, nobody is going to know any different. This means that the insurance company pay out lots and the body shops make the money by not fitting OEM parts and or repair kits, not new units. It is a system that encourages fraud.

@Graham Butcher I was a car sprayer and refinisher and did warranty assessments and repairs.

My Journeyman became an Insurance Assessor back in the 1980,s.

The trade moved on. its 45 years back and more when we went from cellulose paint.

So what is going to come of all the mumping and grumping, you are decades late.

1 minute ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher I was a car sprayer and refinisher and did warranty assessments and repairs.

My Journeyman became an Insurance Assessor back in the 1980,s.

The trade moved on. its 45 years back and more when we went from cellulose paint.

So what is going to come of all the mumping and grumping, you are decades lat

That kind of attitude is how this country has gone down hill. The whole point of what I explained, is all to do with the way that Salvage Rebuilds UK can take a crashed car and rebuild for considerably less than the official repair quote was for that lead to the car being sold as scrap and the insurance paid out far more then was actually necessary.

In a few days time, the second part to the video that @classic shared will be ready and the entire costs of buying the car, the parts and their selling price will be revealed, it is an eye-opener for sure, and I think you will find, all for less than the payout was to owner.

It's a shame that other companies weren't as honest as Salvage Rebuilds UK are.

Edited 29 October, 202529 Oct by Graham Butcher

I am not a Lloyds Name or a Hedge Fund Manager or an Insurance Broker, any more than you are.

I bought and repaired damaged cars and worked in the trade.

It is dafties that mump and moan yet buy the insurance, pay the tax, get ripped off ande can do nothing that is the problem.

Buy your accident damaged cars back and repair them or have someone not charging vat and paying taxes and doing it on a nod and a wink do it.

But they are busy doing it for themselves.

22 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

I am not a Lloyds Name or a Hedge Fund Manager or an Insurance Broker, any more than you are.

I bought and repaired damaged cars and worked in the trade.

It is dafties that mump and moan yet buy the insurance, pay the tax, get ripped off ande can do nothing that is the problem.

Buy your accident damaged cars back and repair them or have someone not charging vat and paying taxes and doing it on a nod and a wink do it.

But they are busy doing it for themselves.

Sorry, but you're just not understanding what I'm on about, lets draw a line under it, its off topic anyway.

I think that we all need to remember this, as it is so true.

Edited 29 October, 202529 Oct by Graham Butcher

^^^ I understand fully. Mr Displeased of Chelmsford. Write to the Telegraph.

An attitude like you have that got you no place.

Still having to buy Insurance to be road legal and going on about injustice.

Not prepared to go protest outside the Mother of all Parliaments.

Have you even gone to see your MP about Car Insurance in the UK?

20 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

So true. Well put.

And as with all things, it is best to have experienced it to fully understand.

What's that saying? "Walk a mile in someone else's shoes"

Edited 29 October, 202529 Oct by wyx087

9 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

So true. Well put.

And as with all things, it is best to have experienced it to fully understand.

What's that saying? "Walk a mile in someone else's shoes"

... and if they still strongly disagree with you, you're a mile away from them - and you've got their shoes!