So red light on the cars charging port this morning again. No errors logged anywhere but then no actual charging has happened. The car hasn’t moved since Sat when the last successful charge happened. But then the cable hasn’t been removed since the last successful charge.

I’ll blow out the electrical connections with canned air later in case there is grit or something in there

40 minutes ago, Aspman said:

So red light on the cars charging port this morning again. No errors logged anywhere but then no actual charging has happened. The car hasn’t moved since Sat when the last successful charge happened. But then the cable hasn’t been removed since the last successful charge.

I’ll blow out the electrical connections with canned air later in case there is grit or something in there

It certainly is beginning to look like a software issue to me.

Aspmam....
We've done a little research and apparently 100% on VWs is actually only 94%. Was an unoffical source.
But I do think it's a bit out of order to say that a car does say 200 miles on a charge but then very forcefully set the car to only charge to 80% to 'preserve the battery'.
Really the range should be on the 'recommended charge level'. We certailly didn;t pick the car based on 80% of it's max range nor did anyone at any point suggest that we would only get 80% or would damage the car..

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I think this 5 or 6 % buffer above and below the displayed SoC is common with European cars, not so surecabout Far East cars which i suspect report smaller buffers. Toyota / Subaru not withstanding which seem to make a pigs ear of their first fill EV launch.

What would be nice is to have a 97 or 98% setting or a displayed 100% and a real 100% charged as 95% displayed seems like it is really 90%.

Think i will charge to 95%, stop record the SoC shown and then add the remaining 5% which hopefully is more like 10%.

Both my Renault EVs suddenly show about 20% more range now the temps are up by 10c or so. Either as you trundle along or press the trip rest and suddenly you have another 30 miles of reported range !

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12 hours ago, Aspman said:

His suspicion (and he's not daft) is that the VW software is the problem, it will often 'go to sleep' and not wake up the car systems to accept charge. I got the same story from the Octopus support guy, he talked about issues with VW's not waking up to accept charge.

Is there any tech-bulletin with Ohme or VW? Worth probe them for compatibility info/updates.

My parents' Renault Megane had compatibility problem with Zappi. After some searching, it turns out Renault need to do a firmware update to make it compatible.

https://support.myenergi.com/hc/en-gb/articles/21802420976657-Troubleshooting-Charge-Delayed-Notification-on-the-Renault-Megane

The symptom is exactly what you describe. Charges fine on first plug in or first scheduled charging session. But fails to wake up for subsequent charging sessions. Though this is a lot easier to debug due to it ALWAYS happens.

But Renault still threatened to charge diagnostic even though we sent over the Zappi page with Renault's own ACTIS number. The vehicle is sold as supporting OTA updates, clearly not Tesla level, no OTA on all systems. Stupid traditional manufacturer and dealership shenanigans.

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Aspmam....
We've done a little research and apparently 100% on VWs is actually only 94%. Was an unoffical source.
But I do think it's a bit out of order to say that a car does say 200 miles on a charge but then very forcefully set the car to only charge to 80% to 'preserve the battery'.
Really the range should be on the 'recommended charge level'. We certailly didn;t pick the car based on 80% of it's max range nor did anyone at any point suggest that we would only get 80% or would damage the car..

I think this 5 or 6 % buffer above and below the displayed SoC is common with European cars, not so surecabout Far East cars which i suspect report smaller buffers. Toyota / Subaru not withstanding which seem to make a pigs ear of their first fill EV launch.

What would be nice is to have a 97 or 98% setting or a displayed 100% and a real 100% charged as 95% displayed seems like it is really 90%.

Think i will charge to 95%, stop record the SoC shown and then add the remaining 5% which hopefully is more like 10%.

Both my Renault EVs suddenly show about 20% more range now the temps are up by 10c or so. Either as you trundle along or press the trip rest and suddenly you have another 30 miles of reported range !

Uncle has just ordered a renault 5 to replace his ID3, apparently newer battery tech means that charinging to 100% is not an issue on cars with newer battery tech altough getting the last of tht 100% into the battery is still and uphill battle apparently.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Is there any tech-bulletin with Ohme or VW? Worth probe them for compatibility info/updates.

My parents' Renault Megane had compatibility problem with Zappi. After some searching, it turns out Renault need to do a firmware update to make it compatible.

https://support.myenergi.com/hc/en-gb/articles/21802420976657-Troubleshooting-Charge-Delayed-Notification-on-the-Renault-Megane

The symptom is exactly what you describe. Charges fine on first plug in or first scheduled charging session. But fails to wake up for subsequent charging sessions. Though this is a lot easier to debug due to it ALWAYS happens.

But Renault still threatened to charge diagnostic even though we sent over the Zappi page with Renault's own ACTIS number. The vehicle is sold as supporting OTA updates, clearly not Tesla level, no OTA on all systems. Stupid traditional manufacturer and dealership shenanigans.

You can find the bug being reported form few years ago and still present. I suspect that software dev is not an area can manufacturers want to invest in plus making things work together requires speaking with other manufacturers on a cooperative basis. They hate doing it unless they are forces by legislation.

1 minute ago, Aspman said:

Uncle has just ordered a renault 5 to replace his ID3, apparently newer battery tech means that charinging to 100% is not an issue on cars with newer battery tech altough getting the last of tht 100% into the battery is still and uphill battle apparently.

I have the smaller battery version ie 40 / 43 kwh.

R5 great to drive with the multi link rear suspension. Space in the back seats seats is tiny but I have the Scenic if I think need to give people taller than the average French man (apparently 5 foot 7 inches! my daughters are taller than that ).

A policy of charging to 80 otlr 85 % normally abd then topping up to 100% just before I leave for a longer journey I reckon could be the right policy.

6 hours ago, lol-lol said:

We've done a little research and apparently 100% on VWs is actually only 94%. Was an unoffical source.
But I do think it's a bit out of order to say that a car does say 200 miles on a charge but then very forcefully set the car to only charge to 80% to 'preserve the battery'.
Really the range should be on the 'recommended charge level'. We certailly didn;t pick the car based on 80% of it's max range nor did anyone at any point suggest that we would only get 80% or would damage the car..

I too did research before buying an ev

Use it to do what you want to. Charge it appropriately if you need 100% and are using it it's not really a problem

In the earlier days, most experts warned that using fast charging (DC) leads to more degradation over slow charging (AC), due to heat and plating at high C-rates. Especially in the cold.

In real-world fleets, the picture is more nuanced. Recurrent’s 2024 analysis of ~13,000 Teslas found no statistically significant difference in range degradation between cars that fast-charged most of the time and those that fast-charged rarely. 

The more practical rule: avoid extremes (very hot, very cold, or very high SoC), and don’t waste time forcing DC from the 80 to 100% unless your trip requires it. 

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Scottish guy with an EV business in Gloucester.

This van Rapid charged nearly six thousands times !!!!!!

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Scottish guy with an EV business in Gloucester.

This van Rapid charged nearly six thousands times !!!!!!

"times" is the important bit.

Leafspy only records (or BMS only records and Leafspy only shows) number of times charge was started, or connection made. It doesn't actually record amount that was charged. Intelligent charging stop/start on AC charging also increments the count by 1, so IOG charging overnight could gain a half dozen more L1/L2 charges.

V2H/V2H connection on Chademo will also count as 1 QC. I know it probably isn't the case for the van in the video. But my one is certainly racking up QC at alarming 300 times a year.

20 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

"times" is the important bit.

Leafspy only records (or BMS only records and Leafspy only shows) number of times charge was started, or connection made. It doesn't actually record amount that was charged. Intelligent charging stop/start on AC charging also increments the count by 1, so IOG charging overnight could gain a half dozen more L1/L2 charges.

V2H/V2H connection on Chademo will also count as 1 QC. I know it probably isn't the case for the van in the video. But my one is certainly racking up QC at alarming 300 times a year.

I dod not hear what battery size it was, presuming 30 khw and tgat battery which is air cooled and no active cooling system has gained a reputation of being susceptible of losing capacity due to overheating, rapidgating so just was pleased to hear a battery reckoned to be one of the weakest out there had survived so many charging connections and still ran even jf yhe capacity was done by a quarter or a third or so.

Think Modern Hero did get rid of it after a while and the way the vans battery just dropped like a stone in tge final quarter of the range was frustrating and one would rather see less range at the upper SoC than have it fade too quickly in the lower SoC part.

Good to see that all car traction batteries are liquid cooled now as air cooled traction batteries can be a pain. The Renault Zoe will hardly charge at all if the ambient temp is well in to the 40s degree C.

Hope Nissan gets lots of sales for the LEAF, Micra, Ariya etc for the sake of Nissan in the NE of England. Good to see the new LEAF get the full £3750 EV grant.

The leaf should improve when it moves to liquid battery cooling system in it's third generation.

The all-new, third-generation

Nissan LEAF, featuring a liquid-cooled battery system, is now available to order in some markets like the UK, with first customer deliveries expected in February 2026

Lol now there seemed to be an app update, now the Ohme charger and the car are all out of whack. Car says it has 61% the Ohme says it has 16%.

[Edit] unpaired and repaired and that has solved this issue.

Whomever signs off the software for these needs beaten with hosepipes for a few hours

Edited 25 November, 202525 Nov by Aspman

Gridserve now have subscription available but the price has gone up if you used to use the app without one?

£95.98 a year subscription 😂😂.

Travel outside your EV home charging range, prepare to be shafted or preplan carefully.

Edited 25 November, 202525 Nov by classic

The Treasury or Staff working for Rachel Reeves MP & Chancellor are apparently leaking or releasing stories about tomorrows Budget & help for the Motor Industry, grants, ev chargers etc. As i just watched on the BBC. Surely these leaks or flying of kites can affect the Money Markets. No details, but just a nod and a wink to a blind salesman. Company car drivers.

17 minutes ago, classic said:

£95.98 a year subscription 😂😂.

Travel outside your EV home charging range, prepare to be shafted or preplan carefully.

Got to travel to Bournemouth from Worcester so outside my there and back range in the Scenic so need to charge in Dorset or Wiltshire which are not great for charging.

Always please that I can generally find a charger I can use my Octopus Electroverse card, get a bit of a discount and it goes against my house energy bill so may not feel or see the hit if I am in credit and can manage that and of course one can be super accurate on how much energy to draw from the public charger to get me home and then fill up with the cheap lecky.

Edited 25 November, 202525 Nov by lol-lol

My heart bleeds for you having to sometimes spend on public charging when just managing to get buy with all your normal cheap energy costs. Are there no Tesla Superchargers about?

26 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

My heart bleeds for you having to sometimes spend on public charging when just managing to get buy with all your normal cheap energy costs. Are there no Tesla Superchargers about?

North of Worcester ie Frankley Services i have used the the Tesla V4 chargers.

Going south not sure there are TESLA V4 chargers. Think the R5 can talk to V2, V3 chargers but not sure the 2024 Scenic can.

I like Ionity and have used Gridserve a few times but I would rather slow down and become more economical usual but this time I am taking a bunch of lads to a clay pigeon shoot as part of a Stag weekend so may need to get a shift on but it is all A roads across Salisbury Plain and watch out for the 70 tonnes Chiefton tasks which can move much quicker than you think and seem to have no respect for right of way !

Think there are some MFG chargers at Poole.

Edited 25 November, 202525 Nov by lol-lol

MFG chargers about in Scotland and good for getting charged and going and paying double the cost of an economic ICE vehicle. Same with Gridserve or Osprey. Just crazy crazy pricing but they get used plenty by Commercial Drivers / Couriers etc. Not so

2 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

The Treasury or Staff working for Rachel Reeves MP & Chancellor are apparently leaking or releasing stories about tomorrows Budget & help for the Motor Industry, grants, ev chargers etc. As i just watched on the BBC. Surely these leaks or flying of kites can affect the Money Markets. No details, but just a nod and a wink to a blind salesman. Company car drivers.

The same source as those YT pundits got their info from, no doubt.

That was not from Heidi Alexander MP or the likes. That was spin doctors spinning / flying kites. Geoff Buys cars or The MacMaster and the other Non Journalists are unlikely on fast dial with them. But thinking, The MacMaster / Lee is a Journalist with a company car.

Porsche taycan as a company car

Example calculation for a £94,945 Porsche Macan Electric

• Annual taxable benefit: £94,945 (P11D value) x 3% (BIK rate) = £2,848.35

• For a 20% taxpayer: £2,848.35 x 20% = £569.67 per year or approximately £47.47 per month

• For a 40% taxpayer: £2,848.35 x 40% = £1,139.34 per year or approximately £94.95 per month 

thanks to our wonderful Rachel

Bloody apps not talking again.

As the Mrs says, “I’m starting to hate this car, I just want it to work”.

Needing an app and the internet to make essentials work is always a stupid idea.

Edited 25 November, 202525 Nov by Aspman

With Ohme, can you revert back to timed charging 23:30-5:30 and not use VW app? Probably best keep everything linked if possible.

Only use IOG smart charging on days if it's not working it's no big deal.

With my Indra charge point, IOG only talks to Indra. No car app involvement. I can put charge point into dumb mode (boost mode: always dispensing). Then set schedule in any of the cars, offline from everything else if needed.