On 24/12/2025 at 08:45, Evolution13 said:

Some you tubers with big battery cars went to low output chargers and said how slow they were when the vehicle could be charged at Ultra Rapid chargers. Some seemed to on purpose head to these slower chargers. Business users, Video Producers, driving props for their videos. I watched @domhnall,s (Enyaq Gorm / Blue Enyaq) Vid Short yesterday where he was in Dundee @ an Ionity charger saying that the infrastructure is not as poor as some might think (Paraphrase_ ) That made me laugh because Dundee has lead with the best or most charging per head or EV drivers anywhere in Scotland. ....... You pay the high tariffs from commercial providers and you pretty much get the speed and the reliability of these faster / more powerful chargers. It is a higher cost for many private drivers not getting paid to travel. When the cost for pathetic unreliable chargers then that really is a P1th take. The infrastructure public money paid for can be total crap. In Scotland so much waste of public money on paying for such poor charging infrastructure will be investigated at some point probably, at a further waste to the public purse.

you have to remember that 5 years ago when the Scottish Government was installing those 50 kW chargers that was pretty much state of the art. The private sector was nowhere to be seen. And Ionity at 43p ain't so bad. Glad you liked the video :-)

Is anyone watching the trilogy of YT films of the 3 wise men driving from Fingringhoe in Essex to Bethlehem in Wales as a ****-take of Top Gear's Christmas special? It's The McMaster, Geoff Buys Cars and Carnage. Watched 2 of the three so far and its good and is a real eye-opener as the EV comes good.

@domhnall The Scottish Government were granting money from Tax Payers and the EU, and COUNCILS were installing, or organisations, sometimes, Farm Shops etc. Getting public money. e-Volt chargers that were built by a company SWARCO owned were not State of the art 5 years ago. SWARCO were maintaining them for most of the 32 Councils in Scotland and the maintenance was poor in many cases around Scotland. Many were out of order for a long time. SWARCO took over the back office running Charge Place Scotland in 2021. Before that they were involved in it for BP that were doing it for Charge Place Scotland. Since 2011 many many millions went to the wrong places. People getting an £80,000 grant which was really a Gift & they got a charger installed and were to give Free Charging for 2 years. There were people that used the charger for their use and had them out of order to The General Public. There are chargers that were part of the £60 million spending not fit for purpose, out of orders or parts not supplied by e-volt / SWARCO if the were not the Maintenance provider for that Council. Or the Council was not paying up to have them repaired. Lots of that was happening leading up to 2021 and the change of Back Room Operators. There was the paying of £20 for a RFID card annually, then just £12 for a card, and people have these and it is getting where using those will not be available. Come time it will all come out in the wash. .............. 43 pence a kWh. Well see T&C,s before rolling up expecting that 'Much Cheapness'. Pay the Subscription or maybe get it with your Vehicle, from SKODA or whoever. £104.99 a year. Maybe that can be claimed back in works expenses for some. Like they claim mileage. Only £2 a week, if you are a regular user of Ionity. Which would need you to be in the vicinity of those for where you live or travel about.

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Have just watched the third video in the trilogy and I have to say it is very interesting the different views and inputs each presenter brings to the challenge. Overall, I really enjoyed them all, and if you can actually put aside your disdain for them for their anti-EV stance, I think you will find them very entertaining and also eye-opening as well. If all EVs had the systems that the gen 2 Taycan has (without the massive price tag) then I can see that EV's are becoming more and more practical in each new model. Want to know more? You will have to watch the videos to find out more.

23 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

@domhnall The Scottish Government were granting money from Tax Payers and the EU, and COUNCILS were installing, or organisations, sometimes, Farm Shops etc. Getting public money. e-Volt chargers that were built by a company SWARCO owned were not State of the art 5 years ago. SWARCO were maintaining them for most of the 32 Councils in Scotland and the maintenance was poor in many cases around Scotland. Many were out of order for a long time. SWARCO took over the back office running Charge Place Scotland in 2021. Before that they were involved in it for BP that were doing it for Charge Place Scotland. Since 2011 many many millions went to the wrong places. People getting an £80,000 grant which was really a Gift & they got a charger installed and were to give Free Charging for 2 years. There were people that used the charger for their use and had them out of order to The General Public. There are chargers that were part of the £60 million spending not fit for purpose, out of orders or parts not supplied by e-volt / SWARCO if the were not the Maintenance provider for that Council. Or the Council was not paying up to have them repaired. Lots of that was happening leading up to 2021 and the change of Back Room Operators. There was the paying of £20 for a RFID card annually, then just £12 for a card, and people have these and it is getting where using those will not be available. Come time it will all come out in the wash. .............. 43 pence a kWh. Well see T&C,s before rolling up expecting that 'Much Cheapness'. Pay the Subscription or maybe get it with your Vehicle, from SKODA or whoever. £104.99 a year. Maybe that can be claimed back in works expenses for some. Like they claim mileage. Only £2 a week, if you are a regular user of Ionity. Which would need you to be in the vicinity of those for where you live or travel about.

George, I have no idea why you are so bitter about people claiming work expenses, it's fair that if my employer requires me to make a journey in my own car which I would not otherwise make that they compensate me for the wear and tear, the depreciation and the fuel. If you do one charge then the saving covers the cost of the monthly sub. Obviously they need to be in places you are travelling. If they are not then they are as much use as a handbrake on a canoe. 5 years ago cars were only just starting to appear that could charge over 100 kW and the chargers at that speed were like hen's teeth.

@domhnall I am not bitter, but it is another of the Social divides, one that seems to keeps being ignored by those that can do their charging at home, those that drive not just for private use, and those that get help or repaid for buying the energy / fuel fully or partly for business use. Be that electric or liquid fuel. Liquid will be public at known prices, electric can be cheap rate at home / work or public. There are plenty Ultra Fast Chargers around now, but unless a Tesla, Porsche or Ionity north of Tayside you are paying in the 75 pence or above a kW for Rapid charging. That now includes Council operated chargers. That is now say £7.00 for 10 kWh so maybe for 27-45 miles. If you are driving as part of your work or to get too or from then you might have the various Subscriptions paid up and able to use an operator even just occasionally and pay the likles of 43 pence a kWh. Tesla non Tesla offpeak is what works for me when i am near at the right times. InstaVolt offpeak using the App as well. Otherwise it is MFG and pay the high price of convenience and reliability.

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1 minute ago, Evolution13 said:

@domhnall I am not bitter, but it is another of the Social divides, one that seems to keeps being ignored by those that can do their charging at home, those that drive not just for private use, and those that get buying the energy / fuel fully or partly for business use. Be that electric or liquid fuel. Liquid will be public at known prices, electric can be cheap rate at home / work or public. There are plenty Ultra Fast Chargers around now, but unless a Tesla, Porsche or Ionity north of Tayside you are paying in the 75 pence or above a kW for Rapid charging. That now includes Council operated chargers. That is now say £7.00 for 10 kWh so maybe fore 27-45 miles.

If there was a vote i would vote for lower VAT on public charging.

Fingers crossed the 4p a kwh reduction in April will filter through.

Oil list a quarter of its value in 2025 and that 1.5p a litre does not seem to have been passed on, the reverse it seems the diesel and petrol sales margin has increased. No ASDA driving down the price any more.

Oil will continue to fall in crude costs due to over supply which might soften the blow against Septenber Excise duty rise but only a bit.

I gave up my "Free" fuel card, oart of my employment package as I could run an EV as cheap without it with the GO overnight tariff from Octopus and I wanted to help give my granddaughter a better world 🌎 to live in.

There is no incentive from the UK Government for private drivers without the ability to charge at home or offpeak charging to drive an EV over an ICE vehicle. The Grants / Reductions in the price of a new BEV might appeal to some, but if they can only Public Charge then they need to be aware of just what the running costs are of the purchase / lease and running costs, now and then once PPM comes in in 2028 if it does. PHEV,s as well. It really looks like the Chancellor & Treasury employees and the Secretary of state for transport are clueless to the cost of Public Charging. Probably because money in and out of their bank account is easy come easy go and claim on expenses or be driven by others while on duty, or even off.

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3 hours ago, lol-lol said:

If there was a vote i would vote for lower VAT on public charging.

Fingers crossed the 4p a kwh reduction in April will filter through.

Oil list a quarter of its value in 2025 and that 1.5p a litre does not seem to have been passed on, the reverse it seems the diesel and petrol sales margin has increased. No ASDA driving down the price any more.

Oil will continue to fall in crude costs due to over supply which might soften the blow against Septenber Excise duty rise but only a bit.

I gave up my "Free" fuel card, oart of my employment package as I could run an EV as cheap without it with the GO overnight tariff from Octopus and I wanted to help give my granddaughter a better world 🌎 to live in.

Liquid fuel down these parts is seeing the prices at the pumps increasing, despite, as you say, the price for crude oil dropping.
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Location location location and maybe 10-20 pence a difference per litre on the Gasoline / Derv. Very different from running EV,s where the kWh can be under 7 pence & the VAT only 5%, or over 10 times as much from a public charger and 20% VAT.

Not sure you will agree with much of this George but Dave paints a rosy picture of on street and ultra rapid charging .....

UK Strategy. That is just ridiculous. The Dude above needs to say UK Government and actions for ENGLAND when that applies,.,.,. or sometimes the British Isles or the UK. Location location location, like the explosion and charging increased numbers in Dundee. The 1/3rd that can not charge at home. More than 1/3 rd without home charging availability. Time the Office for National Statistics get on the case. How many homes at gound level or offroad parking. PS. The tartan shirt is about as close as he gets to anything Scottish in that video. Time that England gets the Nuclear going, the pylons and on shore not just offshore renewables, and battery storage up and operating. But as far as Battery Storage that applies in Scotland even more, what a carry on locals are kicking up around the Borders, across the Scottish Mainland and even on Islands about small. medium or huge battery storage facilities.

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On 28/12/2025 at 13:49, Graham Butcher said:

Have just watched the third video in the trilogy and I have to say it is very interesting the different views and inputs each presenter brings to the challenge. Overall, I really enjoyed them all, and if you can actually put aside your disdain for them for their anti-EV stance, I think you will find them very entertaining and also eye-opening as well. If all EVs had the systems that the gen 2 Taycan has (without the massive price tag) then I can see that EV's are becoming more and more practical in each new model. Want to know more? You will have to watch the videos to find out more.

Forget those clowns Graham.

Have a look at this guy, OGS Mechanics, doing some amazing repairs.

If there is a truth about electric cars it is that there aren’t many people who know how and are qualified to repair them.

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1 hour ago, classic said:

Forget those clowns Graham.

Have a look at this guy, OGS Mechanics, doing some amazing repairs.

If there is a truth about electric cars it is that there aren’t many people who know how and are qualified to repair them.

Have you even watched those videos? Would I be correct in assuming you haven't?

It looks to me that you have assumed that those videos are all about EV bashing 😞, which they are not.

I'm watching this OGS video right now, but this is basically mechanical work, the real problem with EV's is the battery and the whole electrical control systems where the real shortage of skills is.

I haven’t watched them, I did watch TheMacMaster but I’ve got bored of him. Saw enough of Geoff on MacMaster to know I don’t want to watch him.

I certainly don’t think it will be EV bashing as MacMaster is an EVangalist laughing all the way to his bank.

I notice the EV carnage guy is also softening his stance. The fact is people are happily using electric cars with relatively little problems and those guys are slowly changing their perspective whilst trying to show they were right all along somehow.

1 hour ago, classic said:

Forget those clowns Graham.

Have a look at this guy, OGS Mechanics, doing some amazing repairs.

If there is a truth about electric cars it is that there aren’t many people who know how and are qualified to repair them.

The original EV designs did not help.

Renaults can now have individual packs replaced as they are modular.

First time seeing Geoff without his flat cap on, very Worcestershire. The adidge is there is no point thatching an empty cottage !

Could not watch the Three Stoogies for more than a few minutes, risk of computer screen getting damaged. They may well be earning a few quid pandering to the ignorant but I am unwilling to be part of their sick plot.

33 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Have you even watched those videos? Would I be correct in assuming you haven't?

It looks to me that you have assumed that those videos are all about EV bashing 😞, which they are not.

I'm watching this OGS video right now, but this is basically mechanical work, the real problem with EV's is the battery and the whole electrical control systems where the real shortage of skills is.

Watch some of his his other stuff he does some great fault diagnosis of batteries, modules, chargers, ecu’s etc etc

1 minute ago, classic said:

I haven’t watched them, I did watch TheMacMaster but I’ve got bored of him. Saw enough of Geoff on MacMaster to know I don’t want to watch him.

I certainly don’t think it will be EV bashing as MacMaster is an EVangalist laughing all the way to his bank.

I notice the EV carnage guy is also softening his stance. The fact is people are happily using electric cars with relatively little problems and those guys are slowly changing their perspective whilst trying to show they were right all along somehow.

That Cornish halfwit, just like the other two, don't charge up at the places which are clearly better to charge up at but deliberately pick a very bad place. No time for such Tom Foolery.

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Far too many Click Bait videos now with people acting daft on purpose for their particular audience. I watch lots of Youtube videos but after several years of some of the clowns i do not click on to them. I would hate to even contribute a fraction of 1 pence towards their 'video work employment'. I linked enough of their vids back when to maybe assist in buying them a takeway drink.

6 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

That Cornish halfwit, just like the other two, don't charge up at the places which are clearly better to charge up at but deliberately pick a very bad place. No time for such Tom Foolery.

There you go again, assuming. Well, you both could not be further from the truth if you tried. Firstly, it is NOT an EV bashing exercise, and in fact, it has NEVER been; they, like so many others, are against the removal of people's freedom of choice. GEEZ😒. In the case of the (your words) Cornish halfwit, he is not driving his own car, he is delivering a customers car who has certain expectations of when that car will be delivered. Not everyone is prepared to travel miles away to collect their own car, so he is naturally going to select the most obvious choice of route, that which should be the fastest possible route between A and B, then he can get to his next delivery quicker and earn more as a result. Again, not a difficult concept to grasp.

If you want to drive an EV, then you should be free to do so; likewise, if you want petrol or diesel, then again, you should be free to do so. Just like the Betamax and VHS battles, the buying public decided that VHS suited their needs better than Betamax. Think about it sensibly; it is as simple as this: your choice of colour for your walls and woodwork in your house is up to you, and you can have any colour that you like, even down to having paint specially mixed to match the fur colour of your pet cat or dog, for example. Then the WEF, etc., decree that all walls and woodwork are to be purple, and once existing stocks of other colours are gone, that's it; you will have no further choice but purple. Would you be happy with that?

Fannie Lou Hamer said, "Nobody is free, until everybody's free." What a pity every fanny posting videos does not quote that. We are in the UK, free to drive what ever you want for several years or even decades to come. Maybe just not free to buy new whatever you want. Time will tell when this really comes to pass.

19 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

There you go again, assuming. Well, you both could not be further from the truth if you tried. Firstly, it is NOT an EV bashing exercise, and in fact, it has NEVER been; they, like so many others, are against the removal of people's freedom of choice. GEEZ😒. In the case of the (your words) Cornish halfwit, he is not driving his own car, he is delivering a customers car who has certain expectations of when that car will be delivered. Not everyone is prepared to travel miles away to collect their own car, so he is naturally going to select the most obvious choice of route, that which should be the fastest possible route between A and B, then he can get to his next delivery quicker and earn more as a result. Again, not a difficult concept to grasp.

If you want to drive an EV, then you should be free to do so; likewise, if you want petrol or diesel, then again, you should be free to do so. Just like the Betamax and VHS battles, the buying public decided that VHS suited their needs better than Betamax. Think about it sensibly; it is as simple as this: your choice of colour for your walls and woodwork in your house is up to you, and you can have any colour that you like, even down to having paint specially mixed to match the fur colour of your pet cat or dog, for example. Then the WEF, etc., decree that all walls and woodwork are to be purple, and once existing stocks of other colours are gone, that's it; you will have no further choice but purple. Would you be happy with that?

You still don't get it.

ICE cars are poisoning our air in real time and the resultant climate change in leaving our kids and grandkids a legacy of having to spend much of their earnings fighting climate change. Not fair on them when we can do something about it.

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30 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

There you go again, assuming. Well, you both could not be further from the truth if you tried. Firstly, it is NOT an EV bashing exercise, and in fact, it has NEVER been; they, like so many others, are against the removal of people's freedom of choice. GEEZ😒. In the case of the (your words) Cornish halfwit, he is not driving his own car, he is delivering a customers car who has certain expectations of when that car will be delivered. Not everyone is prepared to travel miles away to collect their own car, so he is naturally going to select the most obvious choice of route, that which should be the fastest possible route between A and B, then he can get to his next delivery quicker and earn more as a result. Again, not a difficult concept to grasp.

If you want to drive an EV, then you should be free to do so; likewise, if you want petrol or diesel, then again, you should be free to do so. Just like the Betamax and VHS battles, the buying public decided that VHS suited their needs better than Betamax. Think about it sensibly; it is as simple as this: your choice of colour for your walls and woodwork in your house is up to you, and you can have any colour that you like, even down to having paint specially mixed to match the fur colour of your pet cat or dog, for example. Then the WEF, etc., decree that all walls and woodwork are to be purple, and once existing stocks of other colours are gone, that's it; you will have no further choice but purple. Would you be happy with that?

MacMasters said he was going back to petrol in the first few minutes of the vid. For that reason alone I am out.

EV are getting sensationally good.

Unless you need to drive 350 our more miles a day and cannot bring yourself to drive a TESLA, ie the combination of the cars and the networks, then the logical choice is a EV for a host of reasons, no excuses.

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@lol-lol Nooo. The logical chose for a Business user like The MacMaster if they have home / cheap charging might be an EV. Or if Public Charging it is still making a saving thanks to HMRC / Tax Payers helping subsidise their Take Home Income. & drive a Prestige car still. That is one or 2 sets of the driving public, not everybody. Maybe someone can work out & compare the Lease, Maintenance, Insurance & Fuel for a Business User driving a Porsche 911 compared to a Porsche Taycan costing the same list price.

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Samsung apparently have developed a battery that gives 500 mile range and charges in 9 minutes. Apologies if it has already been discussed somewhere earlier in the 454 pages.

https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/power/article/55134766/electronic-design-samsung-sdis-long-life-solid-state-batteries-claimed-to-have-highest-energy-density