Water is a logistical world problem not a shortage of water.

The Uk's problems are caused by profit hungry private companies and people washing cars and gardening with drinking quality water.

Yes logistical as in many world regions suffering drought and people dying. Starving people & crop failures, who cares? Just World wide greed. But the world being over populated & those dying it is hardly a concern for those with plenty.

Edited Friday at 17:501 day by Evolution13

37 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Yes logistical as in many world regions suffering drought and people dying. Starving people & crop failures, who cares? Just World wide greed. But the world being over populated & those dying it is hardly a concern for those with plenty.

Pipelines could be ran just the same as oil pipelines are. desalination is possible anywhere.

Countries could trade water for Solar power. But it would need Governments not Private profiteers

Edited Friday at 18:461 day by Stonekeeper

Well oil pipelines require gas and pumping stations to move the oil along, up hill and dales and through valleys. Water flows nicely down hill by pipeline. Also where there is flooding and then too much water. Pumping stations yet again requires energy, in some areas wind and solar provide that energy. What a pity that Countries and Nations will spend more on war than the worlds essentials for peoples daily needs. Then obviously wiping out the desalination plants and pipelines is part of what is happening in some middle east countries. (De-desalination??)

Edited Friday at 18:481 day by Evolution13

3 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

(De-desalination??)

Sorry corrected now, I put De-salination and it was autocorrected ☹️

2 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

Pipelines could be ran just the same as oil pipelines are. desalination is possible anywhere.

Countries could trade water for Solar power. But it would need Governments not Private profiteers

What it needs is proper statesmen in the governments; without them, governments just tend to the bidding of the wealthy private profiteers who employ the best lobby groups, fund the think tanks and bankroll government parties to ensure that they get their way.

21 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Hmm, so are our coal / wood pellet fuelled power stations days numbered. Will anybody actually commit to a date and keep to it is the real question.

I thought it was only Drax that did this these days. Green washing power station as with "sustainable" hydrocarbon fuels.

Economics are driving the rapid move to renewables and with government investments in nuclear to provide reliable energy in case of rebewables not being available.

Edited 23 hours ago23 hr by lol-lol

Octopus just released its slot electricity prices on its Agile TOU tariff.

11 hours of negative priced electricity tomorrow 7th of June 2026 !

The truth is I love having electric cars and the savings with running them !

Home running costs will benefit from the negative prices too.

Edited 17 hours ago17 hr by lol-lol

Found but not yet verified;

"Germany is paying households to charge their EVs at night — and using 4 million car batteries as a single giant grid storage asset.

The concept is called Vehicle-to-Grid, and Germany is deploying it at a scale that makes every previous trial look like a proof of concept. Under Germany's amended Energy Industry Act, EV owners can register their vehicle's battery as a grid asset — allowing the grid operator to draw power from the car during peak demand periods and charge it during surplus periods, automatically, without driver involvement. In exchange, the owner receives payments that offset a significant portion of their electricity costs.

Volkswagen's bidirectional charging system — deployed across its ID. series vehicles from 2023 — supports up to 11 kilowatts of Vehicle-to-Grid discharge. A single ID.4 with a 77-kilowatt-hour battery can discharge enough electricity to power an average German home for three days. Four million such vehicles — the number of EVs on German roads by 2025 — represent a theoretical grid storage asset of 308,000 megawatt-hours. That is more storage than all of Germany's dedicated grid-scale battery installations combined, distributed across the country, plugged in every night when electricity demand is lowest and renewables are most abundant.

The economics compound the physics. German EV owners who participate in Vehicle-to-Grid schemes buy electricity at off-peak rates — as low as €0.08 per kilowatt-hour at night — and sell it back during peak periods at rates that can reach €0.35 per kilowatt-hour. The car earns money while the owner sleeps. The grid gets storage it did not have to build. The renewable energy that would otherwise be curtailed finds a use. Every party in the transaction wins simultaneously. Germany is not building a battery storage network. It is discovering that it already has one, parked in 4 million driveways.

Source: Bundesnetzagentur — Vehicle-to-Grid Implementation Framework Report 2023

10 hours ago, Lee01 said:

Found but not yet verified;

"Germany is paying households to charge their EVs at night — and using 4 million car batteries as a single giant grid storage asset.

The concept is called Vehicle-to-Grid, and Germany is deploying it at a scale that makes every previous trial look like a proof of concept. Under Germany's amended Energy Industry Act, EV owners can register their vehicle's battery as a grid asset — allowing the grid operator to draw power from the car during peak demand periods and charge it during surplus periods, automatically, without driver involvement. In exchange, the owner receives payments that offset a significant portion of their electricity costs.

Volkswagen's bidirectional charging system — deployed across its ID. series vehicles from 2023 — supports up to 11 kilowatts of Vehicle-to-Grid discharge. A single ID.4 with a 77-kilowatt-hour battery can discharge enough electricity to power an average German home for three days. Four million such vehicles — the number of EVs on German roads by 2025 — represent a theoretical grid storage asset of 308,000 megawatt-hours. That is more storage than all of Germany's dedicated grid-scale battery installations combined, distributed across the country, plugged in every night when electricity demand is lowest and renewables are most abundant.

The economics compound the physics. German EV owners who participate in Vehicle-to-Grid schemes buy electricity at off-peak rates — as low as €0.08 per kilowatt-hour at night — and sell it back during peak periods at rates that can reach €0.35 per kilowatt-hour. The car earns money while the owner sleeps. The grid gets storage it did not have to build. The renewable energy that would otherwise be curtailed finds a use. Every party in the transaction wins simultaneously. Germany is not building a battery storage network. It is discovering that it already has one, parked in 4 million driveways.

Source: Bundesnetzagentur — Vehicle-to-Grid Implementation Framework Report 2023

Today I am getting electricity for less than zero pence per KWh, ie I am being paid to take it.

Would I selm it back to the Grid at 30p per KWh but would I agree to sell it back at 10p per KWh, probably not.

There is the rub. Whilst even my 40 KWh Renault 5 can do 11 KWs thru its Bidirectional onboard DC to AC invertor would i want the degradation to my battery for a poultry 10 p per KWh, probably no.

I thought my 40 KWh was going to be LFP but it is Lithium NMC so not as robust in charge-discharge cycles. New Twingo is going to be LFP and noe many other EVs are LFP rather than NMC.

Not sure my newish Indra wallbox is bidirectional, pretty sure it is not so they need to be converted and I imagine that is not cheap.

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by lol-lol

5 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Today I am getting electricity for less than zero pence per KWh, ie I am being paid to take it.

Would I selm it back to the Grid at 30p per KWh but would I agree to sell it back at 10p per KWh, probably not.

There is the rub. Whilst even my 40 KWh Renault 5 can do 11 KWs thru its Bidirectional onboard DC to AC invertor would i want the degradation to my battery for a poultry 10 p per KWh, probably no.

I thought my 40 KWh was going to be LFP but it is Lithium NMC so not as robust in charge-discharge cycles. New Twingo is going to be LFP and noe many other EVs are LFP rather than NMC.

Not sure my newish Indra wallbox is bidirectional, pretty sure it is not so they need to be converted and I imagine that is not cheap.

Yes, there is bound to a set of balances and checks before it might become viable. It is extremely rare that you actually find yourself getting something for nothing and today's tech advances often means before you can gain, you need to spend and tomorrows tech advances may render it all useless.