1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

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Yes, but registrations aren't sales, are they? Look at the number of new car sales currently on; the discounts are only applicable if the car is registered by a given date, by the new owner.

10 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Yes, but registrations aren't sales, are they? Look at the number of new car sales currently on; the discounts are only applicable if the car is registered by a given date, by the new owner.

And cars registered on the road are not necessarily the ones doing the miles.

RAC reports than EVs are doing more miles per car than ICE cars.

Just talking to my Renault Dacia Sales guy and he is telling me that they are struggling to get enough 5s for customers such is the demand and even ordering now might mean the car next year.

So many new EV models on the way, updates for 5 and Scenic as well as Sandero EV version although Dacia still planning to do a petrol version. Diesel long gone i gather.

VWs future looks to gang on the ID2 variants and whilst the Polo looks good and not bad spec the Raval and Epiq look better and better value. Looks like a dire situation for VW in Germany as these ID2 variants are Spanish made I gather. Polo, Fabia, Ibiza production ending.

There is clearly only one direction for the dominant power train for all vehicles. As Yazoo said, the only way is up.

Edited 17 hours ago17 hr by lol-lol

Yazz and the Plastic Population not Yazoo.

They did Only You and Don't Go.

35 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

Yazz and the Plastic Population not Yazoo.

They did Only You and Don't Go.

Oh yeah, ta.

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

RAC reports than EVs are doing more miles per car than ICE cars.

Just talking to my Renault Dacia Sales guy and he is telling me that they are struggling to get enough 5s for customers such is the demand and even ordering now might mean the car next year.

Just how do the RAC arrive at that fact? I wonder, when there are more ICE (a mix of pure ICE and hybrids and PHEVs), the latter are highly unlikely to be plugged in compared to the pure electric ones being registered. Do you have anything to back up that interesting snippet?

Regarding the Renault 5, I'm not at all surprised by what your dealer told you. That car has been widely accepted as a car worthy of consideration. One thing for certain is that if it was also available in ICE-drive variants, then the availability issue would be far worse than it currently is.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by Graham Butcher

13 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Just how do the RAC arrive at that fact? I wonder, when there are more ICE (a mix of pure ICE and hybrids and PHEVs), the latter are highly unlikely to be plugged in compared to the pure electric ones being registered. Do you have anything to back up that interesting snippet?

Regarding the Renault 5, I'm not at all surprised by what your dealer told you. That car has been widely accepted as a car worthy of consideration. One thing for certain is that if it was also available in ICE-drive variants, then the availability issue would be far worse than it currently is.

Older report from the RAC... https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/electric-vehicles-news/what-range-anxiety-ev-drivers-rack-up-more-miles-than-those-using-tradition/

But newer one using Solera CAP data, 1.8M sample size from last year.. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/366358/evs-are-officially-covering-more-miles-ice-cars

EVs do over 5% more miles on average.

Negative electricity rate in the middle of today. Sunday looking good to for zeroish rates.

Interesting fact, Henry Winkler did not ride motorcycles, also Daniel Craig has only got an automatic car licence !!

3 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Older report from the RAC... https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/electric-vehicles-news/what-range-anxiety-ev-drivers-rack-up-more-miles-than-those-using-tradition/

But newer one using Solera CAP data, 1.8M sample size from last year.. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/366358/evs-are-officially-covering-more-miles-ice-cars

EVs do over 5% more miles on average.

Thanks for this, but that claim is misleading and so full of contradictions that you cannot realistically believe a single word of it.

This extract alone is a pretty good example of the poor quality of the article.

"While the EVs’ gains reflect rapidly improving technology, the greater availability of charge points and increased availability of electric models - in 2015 the EV options were primarily small cars - the company also points out that the mileage driven by petrol cars has been falling since the pandemic. In fact the average annual petrol mileage is down 12 per cent over the decade, which among other things Cap hpi attributes to more home working reducing the need for commutes, and the rise of online shopping, meaning cars are left on the drive more often."
So are they seriously suggesting that working from home only applies to workers who have a fossil fuel-burning car? Come on, get real and stop grabbing at any headlines that seem to support your love of EVs as proof that ICE cars are falling from grace.

Let's examine what we all know to be true: the vast majority of EVs (by EVs I mean BEVs) are, in fact, purchased as company cars, and these will fall into two broad groups: 1 - those that need a car to do their job and 2 - those that have a company car either as a perk or a sign of their rank and position with a company. In other words, company directors and senior management, or those who have used a salary sacrifice scheme.

Those in group 1 will be doing miles in their car on behalf of the company and will have replaced fossil-burning cars in that capacity. Those in the second group will likely be those who can work from home, and that would apply to EV and ICE owners/drivers alike, not as the RAC seems to suggest ICE only.

SMMT data....

Those SMMT figures are highly selective as they reflect figures over the last month, just as loads are preregistered. The actual growth is only 9.8% over same period year to date over last year's, which failed to hit the required targets.

Interesting to note that petrol is down 3.5% and diesel registrations are up 4%.

Edited 13 minutes ago13 min by Graham Butcher