24 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Fancy a Freelander, electric with 818 hp for £37,000, complete with a 46" screen on the dashboard? Then you need to watch this video, and it also helps to explain just why and how the Jaecoo looks like a knock-off Range Rover.

Dont think that £37k includes the shipping cost or 10% customs duty on the import value ie item cost plus shipping and 10% of that total.

Perhaps EU and UK need to whack Anti Dumping and or Countervailing duty on hybrids as well as EVs from China.

24 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Fancy a Freelander, electric with 818 hp for £37,000, complete with a 46" screen on the dashboard? Then you need to watch this video, and it also helps to explain just why and how the Jaecoo looks like a knock-off Range Rover.

Dont think that £37k includes the shipping cost or 10% customs duty on the import value ie item cost plus shipping and 10% of that total.

Perhaps EU and UK need to whack Anti Dumping and or Countervailing duty on hybrids as well as EVs from China.

@lol-lol I take it that you never watched the video then?
Nobody mentioned importing these Freelanders; the makers (Chery, 50% owned by Tata, who own JLR) are highly likely, as explained in the video, to be making these cars here in the UK, either at JLR or Nissan, where they already have agreements to make cars in those factories and our government is supposed to be in on the deal.

This might well be total BS; only time will tell us which it is, but the Freelander is designed in the UK by staff employed by JLR at their design centre, so again, make of that what you will. I have long said that many of the vloggers are ahead of the game, as they cannot be told what they can and can't report on, unlike the mainstream news channels.

As always, there are 2 sides to things, and one will be proven to be right at the end. It never hurts to be aware of the other side of things, does it?

With Jaecoo being 50% Tata owned, then they will be still getting income from every Jaecoo sold and not having to build them and there is no denying that their sales are growing in the UK in all traction varients.

Edited Tuesday at 17:233 days by Graham Butcher

19 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@lol-lol I take it that you never watched the video then?
Nobody mentioned importing these Freelanders; the makers (Chery, 50% owned by Tata, who own JLR) are highly likely, as explained in the video, to be making these cars here in the UK, either at JLR or Nissan, where they already have agreements to make cars in those factories and our government is supposed to be in on the deal.

This might well be total BS; only time will tell us which it is, but the Freelander is designed in the UK by staff employed by JLR at their design centre, so again, make of that what you will. I have long said that many of the vloggers are ahead of the game, as they cannot be told what they can and can't report on, unlike the mainstream news channels.

As always, there are 2 sides to things, and one will be proven to be right at the end. It never hurts to be aware of the other side of things, does it?

With Jaecoo being 50% Tata owned, then they will be still getting income from every Jaecoo sold and not having to build them and there is no denying that their sales are growing in the UK in all traction varients.

Rules of origin are quite involved and if Chery are just screwing a few big bits together the cars will not count as UK origin and not entitled to go to European mainland without paying duty.

I was auditing at our Hailwood warehouse as well as Midlands ones that supply Solihull and Wolverhampton and there is lots of non UK and non European major parts going into JLR cars but if this is a virtual whole Chinese kit being put together here in the UK, or in the Slovak JLR factories then the origin to have preferential status or even avoid penalties for being Chinese will be quite a calculation and planning.

Did watch most of the video, did have a speculative feel about it. Hope we get some UK jobs from such operations. More interested to see how the £4B Tata battery factory in Somerset gets along. UK needs to be more proactive in customs duty so China, India etc are forced to add at least half the value of these cars in the UK IMO.

Edited Tuesday at 17:523 days by lol-lol

'call me Dave' Cameron. The PM back in 2016. This is the stuff you get with films like this. Find pictures any pictures.

I would have expected Tata to have already taken the rules of origin into account when they are alledged to have granted production space to Chery at their factory, and if such a thing ever takes place, it would surprise me that job creation would be minimal, as they are most likely to be built by JLRs own staff alongside their own cars. It will either way, all come out in the wash as my mum used to say.

I know what you mean about the video, it certainly was not the most polished production at all, loads of AI imagary and the fact that he kept calling Bedford as Bedfordshire, which is not a town but a county, but hey ho, it is what it is.

BYD showing its new ETT electric 44 tonne, 1000 hp and charging at 1.5 MWs, truck to compete with the TESLA semi, only 40 tonne, being launched in to Europe and compete with Mercedes Electric trucks already on sale.

The BYD truck is certainly better looking than the Tesla semi.

7 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

The BYD truck is certainly better looking than the Tesla semi.

Tesla has bigger battery and more range but BYD charges quicker.

Along with Mercedes trucks lets hope they compete and there is batter products.

Both BYD and TESLA are masters at putting in infrastructure of course but dealing with the UK electricity network linking is oft a problem but both are also major battery pack producers so should be able to add 20 or 40 foot mega packs BESSs to support the 1.5 and 1.2 MW charging to keep down time low.

Wow, some journey.......

A standard Volkswagen ID.Buzz has set the world record for the most countries visited in a continuous journey by an electric car – covering 61,992 miles across 92 countries in 445 days, including “more than 300” charging cycles. Technical inspection service TÜV Nord, which assessed the vehicle on its return, certified the battery state of health at almost 96 per cent. Last year, European Rally Champion, Miko Marczyk, managed 1,759 miles on one tank of diesel in a largely unmodified Skoda Superb – driven from Poland to Paris and back. Following this, a team in Colombia drove a Nissan Qashqai e-Power more than 1,200 miles in one hit, setting the record for the longest distance driven without refuelling or recharging in a non-plug-in hybrid.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/id-buzz/370469/volkswagen-id-buzz-sets-massive-ev-distance-record

I would like to know how many hours were spent plugged in for 300 charge cycles with them averaging 207 miles per charge cycle. Also what the average speed was from the time driving.

8 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

I would like to know how many hours were spent plugged in for 300 charge cycles with them averaging 207 miles per charge cycle. Also what the average speed was from the time driving.

Good reliability it seems for the Buzz but it also reflects VWs wider issues of is it good value and press abd sales show many are choosing the much better value PV5 and now there is a PV7 out.

One can see Audi performance continuing, Cupra and models like the VW GTIs but in so many areas VW are just not competitive.

They certainly went skne strange places abd how were they charging at sub stations rather than normal DC charging stations ?

I gave a 16A granny charger and I think there are some 32A around somewhere and I think on some places they had to use an ordinary mains outlet and leave it charging overnite. Takez time but if one is night sleeping its no bother.

State of Charge of over 96% after 100k kms is pretty good and would indicate plenty of slow charges rather than mostly rapid DC.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by lol-lol

Loads of works vans about now, contractors for Councils housing repairs using them. Lots of utility companies as well.

2 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Loads of works vans about now, contractors for Councils housing repairs using them. Lots of utility companies as well.

Hopefully many electric, horses for courses. Electric great for urban and with a few tens of miles radius and have the wiesel can be usex for the longer journeys and really cold weather. EV vans are getting better fast, batteries over 100 KWh, load capacity and cost to run far lower than diesel or petrol vans.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by lol-lol

The British Gas, Open Reach or Water vehicles are regularly sitting charging around this way so either the worker on a break / lunch or just sitting being paid while charging happening.

What I'd love to know is just what the van was carrying, if anything other than the driver, possibly a passenger and their luggage on that trip. It also works out at an average daily drive of 139 miles.

Isn't Volkswagen ceasing the ID Buzz because of poor sales?

I thought they were not building in the USA in 2026 until dealerships clear stock.

28 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

I thought they were not building in the USA in 2026 until dealerships clear stock.

Indeed. The withdrawal of the Federal EV credits caused sakes to drop big time. EV sales have recovered a lot with fyel doubling in price.

The Buzz will need to be biult cheaper, LFP pack etc and buyers happy to pay for a premium over rivals.