9 minutes ago, edbostan said:

Will there be a revival of nostalgia  for the internal combustion engine as we are witnessing with vinyl records? I am pleased to have learnt to drive and own, which may be my last car, with the internal combustion engine. The weekends adjusting points, renewing plugs and engine oil are memories of pleasure. My vehicle was maintained and cherished which can be compared to playing a vinyl record. The removing from the sleeve and carefully placing on the turntable and lowering the arm onto the record with care is an immersive experience.

My son who represents the youth of modern-day motoring is told what to do by a display of warning symbols on the dash and has no love for his vehicle and thinks of it as a tool rather like his Apple MacBook or i-phone. I envy him as he has a Mini Cooper S and I have always yearned to own one but bringing him up with his sister has reduced my finances in buying practical over style. In eight years time his Mini Cooper S will be a dinosaur and considered to be the vinyl equivalent of the motoring world - unless nostalgia comes rushing back and the excitement returns to drive an internal combustion propelled car.

 

 

Ah vinyl. As someone who does 'sound' for a living, I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of my colleagues and friends in the industry would agree that digital now easily surpasses the quality available on vinyl and yet most would also agree, they understand why so many people prefer vinyl or moving back to it as their preferred medium. 

 

At least one day you can buy your sons Cooper off him and show it the love it deserves  

2 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

 

2 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

 

That is exactly what I said in the quote YOU used

 

It sounded like you were saying the direction car industry is going is not a good one. I’m just pointing out that is just the perception of a few individuals. 😉 

Edited 5 January, 20224 yr by wyx087
Double post

I don't believe the car industry is going in a good direction. The resources of a decent sized nation are being poured into a wholly new technology for transport at a massive cost to the environment. We already have the infrastructure for Hydrogen combustion (JCB are already making hydrogen engined plant machinery) and although it's not as green to make hydrogen, it is easy to store, refill and saves dragging an extra half ton of batteries around. The emissions have a slight NOx output, but there are ways around that. 

 

At the moment, Ireland is beginning to worry that it has enough infrastructure to power its data servers, (admittedly huge) before we even talk about electrifying all their vehicles. Autocar commissioned an expert to work out how much more electricity was required to totally convert the UK to EVs and they reckoned we were around 9 power stations short. There are currently no plans to build these extra power stations (almost certainly reactors) although there is one new reactor coming on line in 2026, we will be phasing out remaining fossil fuel stations of course. Wind power is great when there is wind, although storing electricity is a not convenient technology in many ways, needing huge battery packs to store a meaningful amount of the stuff for our use. I don't believe batteries in cars are the answer and that they are mainly a knee-jerk reaction that politicians think will get them their jobs back at the relevant time. I'm saying this knowing that hydrogen combustion cars would more than likely be slower than current petrol cars in order to reduce emissions to super green levels and I do like a quick car, but for me, I would like hydrogen. 

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

It sounded like you were saying the direction car industry is going is not a good one. I’m just pointing out that is just the perception of a few individuals. 😉 

 

 

I am very careful to try and convey this is my personal thinking. I just did a quick scan read of my first post and I counted the use of the letter/world 'I' 29  times and several times used the word 'my' in sentences. I was hoping that we could have a meaningful chat about electrification and how the encroaching EV revolution will change our car culture in the future. I believe that our car culture and media outlets (eg magazines, online and in print, and forums) will dwindle to some degree, as the passion will not be preserved once we stop running or reduce our uptake of dinosaur juice. 

Edited 5 January, 20224 yr by Lady Elanore

I should add in fairness to the above post, well, two above post, that I've also just read that we expect another 30GW of wind power on line by 2030, which is equivalent to a lot of powerstations....when it's windy.

 

This from Autoexpress

 

In comparison, Lithium-ion battery production for electric cars is very energy-intensive. As an example, a 100kWh battery will take around 20 tonnes of CO2 to produce. A typical battery lasts for 150,000 miles, so that equates to around 83g/km of CO2. Then, when you take into account charging over that same distance, the same battery car will deliver 124g/km of CO2 over its lifetime.

 

 

Current hydrogen production and in car use, is a similar figure, but that should drop once hydrogen is made from renewables. 

 

Anyhoo I digress again. We need to all go out and buy Fabia 2.0 petrol cars and keep Brisky going on the legendary performance of these beasts. W16 Octy anyone? 

Edited 5 January, 20224 yr by Lady Elanore

12 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

....when it's windy.

 

Should put another one down my way then, that's the something or other-th time that we've either had our bin returned or I've had to fish it out of a hedge. 

 

13 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

We need to all go out and buy Fabia 2.0 petrol cars and keep Brisky going on the legendary performance of these beasts.

 

Took 'em like a king.

I miss the good old days of the Fabia 2.0 rants. As we know they were much faster than the Honda Civic Type Rs ever were. 

 

On a slightly tangential move, does anyone know how big Brisky is in terms of UK car forums? I suspect it's a lot bigger proportionally than the number of Škodas in the country compared to other marques - if that makes sense? 

Also interested, in case anyone has information, or statistics. However, please make it into something yummy, like a pie chart.

40 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

W16 Octy anyone?

I was contemplating a Superb V10...

Why not shoe horn the W12 out of a Bentley in there.

 

 

Oh and pie...

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 January, 20224 yr by Lady Elanore
Correct number of cylinders :D and added more pi

10 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

Why not shoe horn the W16 out of a Bentley in there.

I thought the W16 was presently unique to the Bugatti Veyron and Chiron? OTOH the V10 is available in Audis and Lambourghinis, so why not put it in something attractive looking?

I am getting to the end of my motoring life when the insurance companies will ask me to hang up my keys. I doubt I will ever own an EV but I might invest invest in one to experience the latest mode of travel as a final throw to pronounce my modernity in motoring. When riders gave up their horses for the horseless carriage they mourned the convenience of fuelling a horse as opposed to winding up petrol in the early manual petrol pumps. Oh! the march of progress.

Edited 6 January, 20224 yr by edbostan

12 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

I should add in fairness to the above post, well, two above post, that I've also just read that we expect another 30GW of wind power on line by 2030, which is equivalent to a lot of powerstations....when it's windy.

 

This from Autoexpress

 

In comparison, Lithium-ion battery production for electric cars is very energy-intensive. As an example, a 100kWh battery will take around 20 tonnes of CO2 to produce. A typical battery lasts for 150,000 miles, so that equates to around 83g/km of CO2. Then, when you take into account charging over that same distance, the same battery car will deliver 124g/km of CO2 over its lifetime.

 

 

Current hydrogen production and in car use, is a similar figure, but that should drop once hydrogen is made from renewables.

There's many issues with that kind of thinking: 

1. Li-on battery production calculations is based on current grid figures. Battery factories can be solar powered.

2. The 124g/km figure comes from current grid figures. EV gets greener as time goes on due to de-carbonisation of the grid. Whereas the CO2 emission and fuel economy of ICE stays constant throughout its life, if well maintained.

3. Although the 124g/km reads only average for today's ICE vehicles, but one has to remember this figure inclusive of vehicle production, electricity production and transmission and vehicle usage. Whereas today's vehicle emission figures only covers pump to wheel. It is missing fossil fuel drilling, extraction, transport, refinery, transport and storage. Same with hydrogen combustion engine, is that inclusive of creating the hydrogen?

4. "when it's windy" is perfect for mass adoption of EV's, because when they are not being used as cars, they work perfectly as energy storage device.

5. Regarding hydrogen, to achieve zero tailpipe emissions, it would still be electric motors driving the wheels, so in terms of feel, it would be similar to EV. But problem is that green hydrogen, the only hydrogen worth adoption, looses half of its power during electrolysis process, the overall efficiency is so low it is too wasteful to adopt without much higher energy generation capacity. In the near future, we need those capacity for electrification of heating.

6. Regarding power plants, it is clear we are moving towards time-sliced tariff in the domestic market. So owning any kind of energy storage capacity will greatly help the grid while gaining financially by charging off-peak. EV vehicle-to-load capability are being experimented, meaning soon, it can function as house battery helping offset home energy cost.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/23/electric-cars-produce-less-co2-than-petrol-vehicles-study-confirms

[quote]

In countries such as Sweden, which gets most of its electricity from renewable sources, and France, which is largely powered by nuclear, the CO₂ savings from using electric cars reach as high as 70% over their conventional counterparts.

In the UK, the savings are about 30%. However, that is likely to improve further as electric vehicles grow even more efficient and more CO₂ is taken out of the electricity generating system.

“The idea that electric vehicles or heat pumps could increase emissions is essentially a myth,” said Florian Knobloch of Nijmegen University in the Netherlands, the lead author of the study. “We’ve seen a lot of disinformation going around. Here is a definitive study that can dispel those myths.”[/quote]

 

 

 

Steam engines are cool and appreciated by a small group of dedicated fan, so will ICE in a couple of years  

 

I think your mistake was posting this in the EV subforum initially (which was the reason I posted and subsequently became following the thread), clearly your intension was to chat with like minded people who likes ICE. Sorry for derailing your thread  

5 hours ago, KenONeill said:

I thought the W16 was presently unique to the Bugatti Veyron and Chiron? OTOH the V10 is available in Audis and Lambourghinis, so why not put it in something attractive looking?

 

 

Typo, or rather not concentrating now corrected to W12

4 hours ago, wyx087 said:

 

 

I think your mistake was posting this in the EV subforum initially (which was the reason I posted and subsequently became following the thread), clearly your intension was to chat with like minded people who likes ICE. Sorry for derailing your thread  

 

 

No derailing that I can see, the thread was meant to encourage discussion. If we all agreed it wouldn't be a discussion, it would be a 'love in'

 

I would like to be convinced of the EV revolution as it might make me actually want an EV, which on the face of it, would be a handy thing as it's in my future - assuming I'm still driving or buying new cars in the next decade. 

 

The thread was really meant for the discussion of whether 'media' was going to dwindle, as EVs don't seem to have the same attraction for most folk that IC cars do. This may change, but my friends who are buying EVs want one in the same way they want an iphone. They know nothing of the design or technology and want the latest thing. Mostly they bang on about how cheap the thing is to run, but know nothing about any of the car's engineering. It's easy to go off topic with EVs, as I've proved,  but I still wonder if Brisky will become a smaller place as EVs become the dominant form of transport 😞 (Disclaimer: the sad face emoji was for the potential shrinking of Brisky, not EVs becoming the dominant form of transport 😞 ) 

On 30/12/2021 at 18:14, roottoot said:

 

 

PS

Some of the most fun cars i have had have had CVT.

Try some.   Very suited to using on great driving roads in Scotland.

 

 

I was put off them when I drove the Nissan Primera CVT about 20 years ago. It was a hateful thing, not helped by a course sounding engine droning away. I should probably try something modern like a Qashqai to see how they have advanced. But there is something about the rising sound of revs that I like. It's an intrinsic part of the experience of acceleration and deceleration for me and I can't imagine a Tom Cruise car chase would sound the same if the car was CVT.

 

 

Although the Fast and Furious lot have that many gear changes going up the gearbox, perhaps they should get CVTs  

31 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

I was put off them when I drove the Nissan Primera CVT about 20 years ago.

 

Was it the bleh looking Primera, AKA the last one? 

1 minute ago, Lady Elanore said:

 

Aye them. I'm not a fan compared to the old shape ones.

3 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

Nissan Primera CVT

Non Commento!!

 

I've driven a couple of Honda CVTs, and they just sorted out getting peak torque revs and held that as long as they could, which is about what I do anyway.

Never mind 2035 and all that, In the near term, I hear rumblings about a white paper that might potentially outlaw engine mods. Be a bummer to shell out £700 with your local revo sweetshop only to have it snatched off you! 

The threads on that are on here from years back   The EU wanted that for years. They wanted tighter UK MOT,s.   The DVSA had MOT stations in a  pilot scheme web cammed up and being strict on Motor bike MOTs and mods.   They failed bikes that might have 2 front discs and the spec showed they should have only one.  Exhausts also caused failures.    Soon they can introduce the car being weighed. The tyre noise tested. Hi there are APR cameras and there are weight sensors on roads and there are noise monitors roadside.  The tech is all there.   Pity GPS or radio reception is crap in lots of the UK and the government can not get IT right or even MOT stations.   The OBD can be used as in US states,  giving the factory scores on the doors and the changes from factory spec.   All fair enough.  The VED and insurance can be as a vehicle is not as it was.      Time now that the Bloggers / vloggers and motoring journalists have EV,s on Rolling Roads.  Sons have power figures that are fiction.  That is understated.   Tested in ECO or what ever.   They will be stricter on them come time.  It is easy to turn up the wick on EV,s. 

Edited 10 January, 20224 yr by roottoot

I'm waiting for somebody to fin or liquid cool the motor on an EV, upgrade the cabling and turn up the current.

Thing is they're so quick already, why bother.

 

For EV I can see the mods in making it handle .

Saying that with £50k for a family car, you think the manufacturers could do a bit of weight saving too, to try and up the range and handling.

Of course having 1 tonne of batteries in a car is always going to mess things up a bit and I do like the idea of hydrogen fuel cells rather than batteries.
If they come up with a cheaper, less nasty battery tech, which is energy dense and environmentally handy with a good life then you're onto something.

 

A Nissan Leaf is quite nippy away from the traffic lights but it is nice that a few lines of code (not coke) and you can have 200 bhp from one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 12 January, 20224 yr by roottoot

10 hours ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Of course having 1 tonne of batteries in a car is always going to mess things up a bit

EV generally are only heavier by 200 kg, if it is heavier at all.

 

 

This is a good summary of current state of hydrogen, why it only makes sense for a small group of car owners

 

 

 

Edited 12 January, 20224 yr by wyx087