Afternoon all,

 

I have a 54 plate Fabia VRS and lately have an issue with the windows.

 

The passenger window no longer opens (regardless of whichever button I press whether it is the one on the drivers door or passenger door) and the driver side window only opens if I hold the button down (both windows used to open if I simply pressed the button down and let go). At first I thought maybe the window regulator needs replacing on the passenger side as I changed the drivers side two years ago but not sure why that would impact the drivers side?

 

Appreciate this could be a wide variety of issues but what sort of things should I be checking for after work? I don't have any other major electrical issues however I should note that due to my steering rack needing replacing, If i accidentally leave anything electrical on i.e. fan, when starting the car the steering rack doesn't disengange which I am not sure if this could be a battery issue?

 

Any help or advice would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

James

Does manually unlocking the car and holding the key in that position cause the power windows to all open, then locking and holding cause them all to close?

James, an obvious suggestion, but - have you (if you can on your car) locked the passenger window from use?

 

A car battery in low state of charge can cause all sorts of issues as the, later at least, VW computer programs are so over complicated and invasive particularly the the battery, start/stops programs, if the car battery is low even if the car starts and the lights seem bright enough the car battery might still be too low for the car's computers and they will play up in all sorts of ways.  How much this affects your model and year I don't know.

 

I always like to try the quick easy and free diagnostics and solutions  first particularly those that don't get my hands too dirty or can be done in comfort.  Try as sepulchrave has suggested, do make sure your keyfobs (plural) have are in good condition, clean internally and the fob battery is in good condition because as with the car battery if they are low they won't help and may well hinder.

 

Another quick, easy, free thing to try is the computers reset via the car battery and personally I'd take this opportunity to recharge the car battery as long, low and slow as possible.

 

 

How would one lock a single window from use?

 

As for the rest, - every day seems to be groundhog day.

26 minutes ago, J.R. said:

How would one lock a single window from use?

 

Can't lock the front windows of the Mk1 Fabia that doesn't have all-round electric windows... that I know of at least.

6 minutes ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

Can't lock the front windows of the Mk1 Fabia that doesn't have all-round electric windows... that I know of at least.

Thanks (but I won't remember) I think James will notice I put if.

 

It could be the passenger side motor, unlikely given the lesser problem with the drivers side, it could be the controller which is integrated into the drivers side motor, it could be a damaged wire in the door bellows, more likely on drivers door, it could be corrosion of the connector to either of the window motors, more likely the drivers one.

 

A VCDS scan will lead you either directly to which one of these it is or indirectly in the case of a fractured wire, corroded terminals etc.

 

Knock yourself out charging the battery for as long low and slow that turns you on or disconnecting it if you want but it wont make the slightest bit of difference.

On 05/01/2022 at 12:49, sepulchrave said:

Does manually unlocking the car and holding the key in that position cause the power windows to all open, then locking and holding cause them all to close?

 

1 hour ago, nta16 said:

  Try as sepulchrave has suggested, do make sure your keyfobs (plural) have are in good condition, clean internally and the fob battery is in good condition because as with the car battery if they are low they won't help and may well hinder.

 

 Seps suggestion does not require batteries in a remote as it is a manual operation actioned by twisting a key in a door lock.

And a very good concise definitive suggestion it was too!

7 minutes ago, KeithCheetham said:

Seps suggestion does not require batteries in a remote as it is a manual operation actioned by twisting a key in a door lock.

Yeap, sorry, I should have put a full stop, two ideas rolling into one, I did see the manually or key blade in my terminology.

 

sepulchrave suggestion and diagnostics, from what I've seen are usually concise and very good - not always 100% correct but who's are, and sometimes he'll burst into two or three sentences, perhaps more battery power is available at these times.

 

It's different stokes for different folks, as long as they don't turn into pokes.  😄

 

7 minutes ago, J.R. said:

It could be the passenger side motor, unlikely given the lesser problem with the drivers side, it could be the controller which is integrated into the drivers side motor, it could be a damaged wire in the door bellows, more likely on drivers door, it could be corrosion of the connector to either of the window motors, more likely the drivers one.

 

A VCDS scan will lead you either directly to which one of these it is or indirectly in the case of a fractured wire, corroded terminals etc.

 

Knock yourself out charging the battery for as long low and slow that turns you on or disconnecting it if you want but it wont make the slightest bit of difference.

 

Don't think it'll help actually. A 54-reg mk1 is likely to have the system where the two (driver's and passenger side) modules communicate with one another, but nothing central, including the diagnostics. Effectively invisible to VCDS.

 

@Jamesmaher63, it's not clear to me whether you previously replaced the driver's side regulator (wires and mechanism) or motor module? Please clarify.

It also sounds like you may just need to reset the one-touch function on driver's side as it is actually moving the window? 

I wonder if the single comms wire from driver's side module to passenger side one is busted?

 

The result of sep's suggested test will be useful info.

24 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Knock yourself out charging the battery for as long low and slow that turns you on or disconnecting it if you want but it wont make the slightest bit of difference.

You can guarantee that can you?

 

Yeap if there's a good scan tool used by the correct person it can often speed things up, a scan tool too low level and or used by the wrong person can add to the confusion, as has been shown in other threads.

 

ETA: I also forgot what Wino has added, depends on the vehicle and its age too.

 

Edited 6 January, 20224 yr by nta16
ETA:

12 minutes ago, Wino said:

 

Don't think it'll help actually. A 54-reg mk1 is likely to have the system where the two (driver's and passenger side) modules communicate with one another, but nothing central, including the diagnostics. Effectively invisible to VCDS

 

 

Thanks for that, it's good to learn, in that case my suggested causes remain the same but the diagnosis will have to be old fashioned inspection and testing perhaps by substitution.

5 minutes ago, nta16 said:

You can guarantee that can you?

 

Yeap if there's a good scan tool used by the correct person it can often speed things up, a scan tool too low level and or used by the wrong person can add to the confusion, as has been shown in other threads.

 

ETA: I also forgot what Wino has added, depends on the vehicle and its age too.

 

 

You talk too much and bring a huge amount of background noise often drowning out good suggestions in the tumult.

 

I'm not always right because it isn't possible to be, however I do know how everything works so I can help narrow things down a bit.

 

I never found anything I couldn't fix, except stupid of course.

The main power fuse (and the contacts in the fusebox) for the passenger window module would be good to check if not already examined.

4 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

You talk too much and bring a huge amount of background noise often drowning out good suggestions in the tumult.

How can my ramblings drown out your good concise definitive suggestions.

 

I try to cover more than one aspect in my posts and put a bit of explanation as James has with his original post.

 

6 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

I'm not always right because it isn't possible to be, however I do know how everything works so I can help narrow things down a bit.

We'll you are not understanding what I put, I suggest you reread what I put in that post I wasn't having a go at you even if you're now having a go at me.

 

16 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

I never found anything I couldn't fix, except stupid of course.

So are you saying because I operate differently to you that am stupid?

 

19 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

I never found anything I couldn't fix, except stupid of course.

 

I love that! 👍

 

I can assure you that I will shamelessly plagiarise that, sadly too frequently, it would merit its place on my headstone!

 

Happy new year to you and your loved ones.

J.R.

banter and ****-taking are fine but constant sniping gets tiring for me, and others, but if you think your constant bullying and intimidating of me will get you anywhere then you will be learning again because it won't.  I won't reciprocate with banter or ****-taking to you as with your fragile ego that would be bullying on my part.  Please if you don't like what I put try just to ignore it.

 

J.R. and others,

unless what I put breaks any laws only those that own and run this site can tell me what I can say on it, or eject me from the site, so unless that time arrives I will continue to put what I want to put and not be dictated to by other posters.  You will see things repeated by me but to other posters and viewers it can be new and fresh there are more than just the regulars that view and post here and they vary in how often they view and/or post.

 

1 hour ago, nta16 said:

How can my ramblings drown out your good concise definitive suggestions.

 

I try to cover more than one aspect in my posts and put a bit of explanation as James has with his original post.

 

We'll you are not understanding what I put, I suggest you reread what I put in that post I wasn't having a go at you even if you're now having a go at me.

 

So are you saying because I operate differently to you that am stupid?

 

 

No, I'm not, it isn't all about you, only the first bit is.

 

The second bit is about me.

 

The third bit could be about anyone, but more generally; a person can be smart but people are stupid, the larger the group is the dumber it gets.

Fragile ego, - very astute.

19 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

The second bit is about me.

1 hour ago, sepulchrave said:

I'm not always right because it isn't possible to be, however I do know how everything works so I can help narrow things down a bit.

 

I'll take the "everything" as a generalisation about cars.

 

 

22 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

The third bit could be about anyone, but more generally; a person can be smart but people are stupid, the larger the group is the dumber it gets.

1 hour ago, sepulchrave said:

I never found anything I couldn't fix, except stupid of course.

 

I think you're stretching it a bit there with your explanation but I'm happy to take it as, and with, good intention.  A group can get smarter as it grows in number (to give a feed line perhaps).  Anyone can put something stupid especially me but the one thing you will never see or hear from me is that I am smart, though I do not consider myself to be generally stupid, obviously others may think differently.  😁

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

Looks like I may need to keep an eye on this thread. Just in case I decide to buy a MK1 Fabia of course............