2 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

Blimey, don't use graphite oil or grease then, it's already black when it's new!

I know your game you're trying to get me in trouble with the thread drift police.  I've used LPS grease in another lifetime, that was tary-black and IIRC sticky but not dirty IIRC.  Ordinary grease (which seems harder to get now other than Comma) use gets me dirty enough, though the excess clean grease then cleans that off until the next lot of used dirty grease.  Every 3 months I have to, oooh, er, missus, grease my nipples and among the many things that **** me off about doing it is that each time I use up about half a roll of my favourite budget white kitchen roll.

 

Previously I had a green cartridge type grease gun and the grease in the cartridge was green, I won't tell you the make of grease or you'll be off with more thread drift and a favourite saying!  😄

 

Edited 8 February, 20224 yr by nta16
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How many miles has the car done ? You say it's down on power? The lambda error codes might be an indication of something not being quite right ? Have you checked the air filter isn't filthy? Have checked and looked at the spark plugs?  Neither of those two checks cost anything. Though maybe a compression check might be an idea. It sounds very much like there is a hydraulic lifter/tappet rattle in which case a valve or some valves aren't opening fully ?

 

My son had the a Seat Arosa with the 1.0 engine the same as your 1.4 single camshaft. Someone mentioned cam chain rattle but as far as I'm aware that's the twin cam shaft 1.4 and that was down to a poor cam chain tensioner design. So there was an updated tensioner and if not changed when the rattling could become terminal when the engine timing got lost when the chain jumped!

23 minutes ago, Derbyshirebod said:

 

 

My son had the a Seat Arosa with the 1.0 engine the same as your 1.4 single camshaft. Someone mentioned cam chain rattle but as far as I'm aware that's the twin cam shaft 1.4 and that was down to a poor cam chain tensioner design. So there was an updated tensioner and if not changed when the rattling could become terminal when the engine timing got lost when the chain jumped!

 

Nope, the Fabia 1.4 mpi, 8 valve engine is notorious for timing chain rattle. There is no tensioner in the design so when the chain stretches it thrashes about. They are a duplex chain and I've never heard of one breaking, they just make an annoying rattle at idle. New ones only last about 20,000 miles before starting to rattle. It was the same when this engine was used in the old rear-engined Skodas as the design has always been the same.

 

Edited 8 February, 20224 yr by TMB

4 minutes ago, TMB said:

It was the same when this engine was used in the old rear-engined Skodas as the design has always been the same.

@TMB would this be the same for a Felicia 1.3 MPI, 136M engine?

 

I never had chain rattle on my rear-engined Skodas and I had over 50-kmiles on the last one before I sold it.  But it did have dreadful wheel bearing noise but it still turned well, until I could take the noise no more.  Took a mate from Northampton in it, with the noise, to Lanark Sherriff's  Court for him to lose his licence for overtaking a Scottish vascar in three digits.  He lost it for IIRC a month so he lost his reps job and went to another small company where he didn't tell them about his loss and one of his duties was to drive one of the bosses about because he had lost his licence!  They much later found out but didn't care as it was that type of company.

 

Just now, nta16 said:

 TMB would this be the same for a Felicia 1.3 MPI, 136M engine?

 

I can confirm that the 1.4 MPI 8v was merely a bored out 1.3 with some fancy emissions gadgetry to barely bring it up to spec.

Just now, nta16 said:

@TMB would this be the same for a Felicia 1.3 MPI, 136M engine?

 

 

 

 

Yes indeed.

 

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I never had chain rattle on my rear-engined Skodas and I had over 50-kmiles on the last one before I sold it.  But it did have dreadful wheel bearing noise but it still turned well, until I could take the noise no more.  Took a mate from Northampton in it, with the noise, to Lanark Sherriff's  Court for him to lose his licence for overtaking a Scottish vascar in three digits.  He lost it for IIRC a month so he lost his reps job and went to another small company where he didn't tell them about his loss and one of his duties was to drive one of the bosses about because he had lost his licence!  They much later found out but didn't care as it was that type of company.

 

I've had loads of rear-engined Skodas in the past including a Rapid 136. All of them had timing chain rattle but with the engine being at the back it's more subdued when you're inside the car. I have fitted new chains to a few of them and it was glorious how quiet the engines became whilst it lasted.

Regarding wheel bearings, I once had a very noisy rear one on an F-reg Estelle 130 LSE with the later non-swing axle suspension. I replaced the bearings on both sides and it was fine after that.

31 minutes ago, TMB said:

 

Nope, the Fabia 1.4 mpi, 8 valve engine is notorious for timing chain rattle. There is no tensioner in the design so when the chain stretches it thrashes about. They are a duplex chain and I've never heard of one breaking, they just make an annoying rattle at idle. New ones only last about 20,000 miles before starting to rattle. It was the same when this engine was used in the old rear-engined Skodas as the design has always been the same.

 

That's not the same chain as I changed in my sons  2014 1.4 Ibiza . It was a single chain not a duplex.

 

21 minutes ago, Derbyshirebod said:

That's not the same chain as I changed in my sons  2014 1.4 Ibiza . It was a single chain not a duplex.

 

I know but you said this....

 

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Someone mentioned cam chain rattle but as far as I'm aware that's the twin cam shaft 1.4 and that was down to a poor cam chain tensioner design.

 

I interpret that as you saying that as far as you're aware, timing chain rattle is only a problem on the engine you mention and not the Fabia 8v, 1.4 MPI. The picture I posted is a 1.4 MPI timing chain.

 

 

 

Edited 8 February, 20224 yr by TMB

7 minutes ago, TMB said:

Rapid 136

As I used to post for Porsche owners, good for GTI owners too but we had none in the club. -

 

 

My first two Estelle 2s I had for a year or less and didn't get to much more than 20K on either, third was over 50k though and I can't remember rattle even with standing at the back with the lid open, or at least not enough for me to take notice.  Two were brand new the first was two months old (so 22 months warranty) with 6k on it staff use car from imports in Norfolk.

 

The old friendly Skoda garage (pre-VW and later just as they took over) only wanted to changed the effected side but I insisted on both, never any upselling on service side then.

 

I got the flagship of the fleet once as a courtesy car, an old Estelle Mk1 105 which they had as a trade-in and couldn't break, boy could it go, not fast or quick but great fun and very willing, felt like you could tour the world in one go, but boy was the steering heavy and stiff.

 

8 minutes ago, nta16 said:

As I used to post for Porsche owners, good for GTI owners too but we had none in the club. -

 

 

 

 

^ Haha, I remember that headline

 

8 minutes ago, nta16 said:

I got the flagship of the fleet once as a courtesy car, an old Estelle Mk1 105 which they had as a trade-in and couldn't break, boy could it go, not fast or quick but great fun and very willing, felt like you could tour the world in one go, but boy was the steering heavy and stiff.

 

I used to have a T-reg 105S. They had the old worm and nut steering which was dreadful and I remember it being dog-slow. The slowest car I've ever driven. The steering was far better when they introduced rack and pinion in about 1983.

Edited 8 February, 20224 yr by TMB

8 minutes ago, TMB said:

 

 

I know but you said this....

 

 

I interpret that as you saying that as far as you're aware, timing chain rattle is only a problem on the engine you mention and not the Fabia 8v, 1.4 MPI. The picture I posted is a 1.4 MPI timing chain.

Sorry my bad I'm talking out of my backside ! It was a 3 cylinder engine 1198cc 47KW 64HP AZQ  I changed the cam chain and tensioner on in my son's Ibiza. We bought it as a none runner because it had a cam chain issue.

 

The seat Arosa he had before that had the 4 cylinder 1.0 AUC which I thought was an under bored 1.4 AUD engine which were both called MPi and assume were pretty much the same as his had a 1.4 MPi air box on it when we bought it. Which again I've made an assumption that it's the same as the Fabia 1.4 ?

^ No worries.

 

Here are the Fabia MK1 petrol engine codes...

 

Jesus, is that where peak power* comes in on mine?!

 

*in a relative sense... compared to a milk float.

Edited 8 February, 20224 yr by AnnoyingPentium

Just now, AnnoyingPentium said:

Jesus, is that where peak power* comes in on mine?!

 

*in a relative sense... compared to a milk float.

 

9 minutes ago, TMB said:

I used to have a T-reg 105S. They had the old worm and nut steering which was dreadful and I remember it being dog-slow. The slowest car I've ever driven. The steering was far better when they introduced rack and pinion in about 1983.

My first was 1985, then 1986 then 1987, so all were the later better steering, I had a red first, blue second so I thought I might as well have white, just to be patriotic. 😁

 

You don't mean T-reg that was 78-79, I had a by then old T-reg MGB and when I took the seat covers off discovered the foam were stamped at my 18th birthday so T-reg even I can remember which years.

 

So that I don't get shouted at by the bigger boys and they end up in tears can you please just confirm for me again that a Felicia GLX Comfort 1.3 MPI with 781.136M engine would be subject to (notorious for) timing chain rattle?  Thank you.

 

3 minutes ago, nta16 said:

You don't mean T-reg that was 78-79

 

 

Yep.

 

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So that I don't get shouted at by the bigger boys and they end up in tears can you please just confirm for me again that a Felicia GLX Comfort 1.3 MPI with 781.136M engine would be subject to (notorious for) timing chain rattle?  Thank you.

 

Yes, all 1.3 Felicias have the rattly timing chain Skoda engine.

9 minutes ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

Jesus, is that where peak power* comes in on mine?!

HP for ego, torque for winning.  😄

 

Anyway those are claimed figures when new yours might be less - or might even be more.   It's not about figures on paper or dials only how it feels or makes you feel.  Possibly a lot of the time you are only using a fraction of it, and only getting about a third anyway.

 

17 minutes ago, nta16 said:

My first was 1985, then 1986 then 1987, so all were the later better steering, I had a red first, blue second so I thought I might as well have white, just to be patriotic. 😁

 

You don't mean T-reg that was 78-79, I had a by then old T-reg MGB and when I took the seat covers off discovered the foam were stamped at my 18th birthday so T-reg even I can remember which years.

 

 

Yep T reg was 1978 -1979 on the old suffix series and then there was  the prefix 1999 T & V reg

 

I owned a 1977-1978 S reg MK2 Escort RS2000 for 18 years! Wish I never sold it!

Edited 8 February, 20224 yr by Derbyshirebod

This is the only pic I have left of my Rapid 136...

 

 

It was epic fun, like driving a go-kart.

Edited 8 February, 20224 yr by TMB

3 minutes ago, TMB said:

Yep.

Yes of course you do, I can't think what I was thinking of, other than when I was previously putting about a car that I bought in 1999.  Yes I see now, 1983 is nearer and 1978 is further away.  I think the medication is wearing off again.

 

 

7 minutes ago, TMB said:

Yes, all 1.3 Felicias have the rattly timing chain Skoda engine.

Thank you, you can also see why I have to double check myself now.

 

6 minutes ago, nta16 said:

HP for ego, torque for winning.  😄

 

Anyway those are claimed figures when new yours might be less - or might even be more.   It's not about figures on paper or dials only how it feels or makes you feel.  Possibly a lot of the time you are only using a fraction of it, and only getting about a third anyway.

 

 

True. It could have had a few of those ponies taken behind the barn and shot in the past 15 years or so, I reckon.

 

I think it's a good laugh to chuck it into third and rev it all the way up when in need of a small bit of joy, actually. It's solid enough and works enough for when I need it most, so I can't really complain.

3 minutes ago, Derbyshirebod said:

Yep T reg was 1978 -1979 on the old the old suffix series and then there was  the prefix 1999 T & V reg

You've spoilt my feat of memory now.  😄  Yes, mine was T first year of March registrations.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Derbyshirebod said:

I owned a 1977-1978 S reg MK2 Escort RS2000 for 18 years!

Such wealth you had then, even more if you had one now.

 

12 minutes ago, TMB said:

This is the only pic I have left of my Rapid 136...

I can't remember what but the grille is different.  Was your radio aerial in the sunroof (real 80s stuff) or heated rear window?

  

Might as well completely derail the thread with a pic of one of my Estelles, a W-reg (1982) 120LSE. I had it up on ramps because it was feeling poorly 😛

 

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Edited 9 February, 20224 yr by TMB

57 minutes ago, nta16 said:

I can't remember what but the grille is different.  Was your radio aerial in the sunroof (real 80s stuff) or heated rear window?

  

 

Mine had the very last grille design. This one....

 

 

^ EDIT: But it broke because the plastic was like something out of a chocolate box, so I replaced it with a normal Estelle 2 grille.

 

And yes, the aerial was in the sunroof!

Edited 9 February, 20224 yr by TMB