Had our first intermediate service on the Superb this week, 12 months since we bought it, at the suppling Skoda approved garage.

Milage was 9,756 miles from new.

Items identified as urgently rerquiring attention are the front discs due to inner face pitting and the on set of inner face glazing, pads are less than 25% worn, outer faces ok.

Pollen filter requires changing in October 22.

Quote for £399 for front discs replacing but no mention regarding changing the pads.

Pollen filter £32.74.

Car still has manufacturers warranty.

Not had chance to discuss why these discs are in this condition and never had these issues with any othe car, it seems rather strange , could it be the calipers are not free to float away from the discs on the carriage pins.

Any one had similar issues.

Also price seems a bit steep.

Martin.

 

 

21 minutes ago, kentdale said:

Not had chance to discuss why these discs are in this condition

Because thats the button they press to add that line to the service invoice.

 

"Onset of inner face glazing" is one they have thought long and hard about while dreaming up, impossible to challenge.

 

At 12 months and that mileage I would bet that the inner face is pretty much the same as the outer face and nowhere near needing replacement.

We must have moved on from the thousands of warped discs now to glazing. 

Personally id be asking what they mean by glazed... A glazed disc is an interesting one seen as it is a smooth surface... Not a glazed pad is another thing when it gets too hot and is like a piece of glass and reduced brake action ensues.

Pads they wouldnt know without removing. And why the inner face and not the outer? Is it cause you cant see it maybe.

 

Personally id be looking elsewhere for a second opinion on this 'glazed' disc.

 

 

All this talk of glazed is making me want a krispy kreme!

3 minutes ago, ApertureS said:

Personally id be asking what they mean by glazed... A glazed disc is an interesting one seen as it is a smooth surface... Not a glazed pad is another thing when it gets too hot and is like a piece of glass and reduced brake action ensues.

Pads they wouldnt know without removing. And why the inner face and not the outer? Is it cause you cant see it maybe.

 

Personally id be looking elsewhere for a second opinion on this 'glazed' disc.

 

 

All this talk of glazed is making me want a krispy kreme!

I would have thought both sides ought to be similarly affected unless the caliper carrier is not free to float the pads away from the disc surface when not baraking.

1 hour ago, kentdale said:

the front discs due to inner face pitting and the on set of inner face glazing

Can they explain the phenomenon of "disc glazing"? I certainly can't and I am aware of pad glazing.

@kentdale They are taking the Michael with the brakes,

but then you need them inspected now before kicking off with the Dealer Principal.

 

HOW MUCH DID THIS SERVICE COST YOU,?  OR IS IT A FREE SERVICE, PART OF A SERVICE PLAN?

That meaning the car was put on a Fixed Service Interval.

How many miles has the car done now?

 When the PDI was done?

 

ie.

Could you explain your car please.

When was it first registered?  

A Interim service as it was called was a 'Fixed Service at 372 days / 9,400 miles.   

 

A pollen filter is a 24 month / 18,000-20,000 mile change item.   Ridiculous price at a Main Dealers. 

 

EDIT.

I see to the left it is a 2021 car.   

So is that October 2021?

 

Look at your pollen filter and maybe shake it and vacuum it and clean the area and put it back in, as it is a 2 year replace item.

Edited 2 June, 20224 yr by roottoot

I'd advise taking it to a normal garage and getting them checked. If there's something up you can get them replaced there and have enough change from the dealer quote for a nice meal out.

 

 

I had a new car that according to some dodgy fast fit tyre garage needed new front brake discs after 30,000 miles. After 100,000 miles it was still passing the MOT with those same front discs.

 

Ignore all this nonsense unless it fails the MOT, or you can feel the brakes becoming less effective. It's a common old trick, as it's a very simple job that the garage makes a lot of money out of.

 

For the Superb MK3, you can get OEM quality front brake discs for under £32 each, and OEM quality front brake pads for under £32. So that's under £96 for all the parts. About 30mins labour, so maybe £36 for that. Total cost £132 including VAT.

 

If you want peace of mind, put the car through an MOT at a trustworty garage. There the car will get it's brakes tested on a rolling road. However, I wouldn't bother as you would notice when you use the brakes if there was a problem with their functionality.

 

Edited 2 June, 20224 yr by Carlston

7 minutes ago, Carlston said:

I had a new car that according to some dodgy fast fit tyre garage needed new front brake discs after 30,000 miles. After 100,000 miles it was still passing the MOT with those same front discs.

 

Ignore all this nonsense unless it fails the MOT, or you can feel the brakes becoming less effective. It's a common old trick, as it's a very simple job that the garage makes a lot of money out of.

 

You can get OEM quality front brake discs for the Superb MK3 for under £32 each.

 

If you want peace of mind, put the car through an MOT at a trustworty garage. There the car will get it's brakes tested on a rolling road.

Sorry but i disagree with a lot of what youve said.

 

An MOT is the bare minimum standard a car has to meet - in no way is a guarantee that its at the safest level it can be. A brake disc can be 49% heavily corroded on both sides and the caliper could be half seized. As long as it passes the brake roller test it is a pass and advise. Does not mean its safe or acceptable.

Im not saying what the garage is advising is true, but im saying an MOT is not a true test of a cars safety as much as youd like and hope to think so.

 

And regarding OEM quality brake discs for under £32? Id very much like to know what or how you define OEM quality and where youre finding discs for under £32?

You might be finding cheap brands like Eicher but they definately are not quality parts and wont last nearly as long as some premium brands.

 

 

 

 

EDIT: A quote from the gov.uk website to back up my statement

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mot-changes-20-may-2018

Quote

Pass

It meets the minimum legal standard. Make sure it continues to meet the standard.

Pass

 

Edited 2 June, 20224 yr by ApertureS

25 minutes ago, ApertureS said:

Sorry but i disagree with a lot of what youve said.

 

An MOT is the bare minimum standard a car has to meet - in no way is a guarantee that its at the safest level it can be. A brake disc can be 49% heavily corroded on both sides and the caliper could be half seized. As long as it passes the brake roller test it is a pass and advise. Does not mean its safe or acceptable.

Im not saying what the garage is advising is true, but im saying an MOT is not a true test of a cars safety as much as youd like and hope to think so.

 

And regarding OEM quality brake discs for under £32? Id very much like to know what or how you define OEM quality and where you're finding discs for under £32?

You might be finding cheap brands like Eicher but they definitely are not quality parts and wont last nearly as long as some premium brands.

 

ATE, TRW, Bosch all make OEM quality brakes discs.

 

I've been using the same MOT guy for the past 20 years. Not only is he very skilled at motor mechanics, but he's also very honest. He's fully capable of spotting dodgy brakes.

 

Sorry to hear that your MOT guy isn't up to the same standard.

 

Here's a link to some prices for the 312mm front brake discs on the Superb MK3. Sometimes it's even cheaper on ebay and/or amazon. Under £32 for Bosch, under £37 for TRW, under £45 for ATE.

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1k0615301aa?search=OEN+1K0615301AA&supplier[0]=833&supplier[1]=3&supplier[2]=30

 

A half seized brake caliper as you put it would fail the MOT test, as one side would be less effective than the other. The rolling road on the MOT, can measure if the left or right brake is working better than the other side. If there's a significant discrepancy, the car fails the MOT.

 

Edited 2 June, 20224 yr by Carlston

So if the OP's car is 1 year old or younger and 10,000 miles or less all the crap about replacing discs now is really not relevant unless they are gubbed.

 

It is a shame that customers pay good money to Main Dealers to be left unsure if they are lying barstewards that are upselling or actually honest & trying to keep the customers safe. 

We mostly know the answer to that one. 

Edited 2 June, 20224 yr by roottoot

Take the car back to the dealership and ask if you can get the discs upgraded to double-glazed ones. Just for poops and giggles.

14 minutes ago, Carlston said:

 

ATE, TRW, Bosch all make OEM quality brakes discs.

 

I've been using the same MOT guy for the past 20 years. Not only is he very skilled at motor mechanics, but he's also very honest. He's fully capable of spotting dodgy brakes.

 

Sorry to hear that your MOT guy isn't up to the same standard.

 

Here's a link to some prices for the 312mm front brake discs on the Superb MK3. Sometimes it's even cheaper on ebay and/or amazon. Under £32 for Bosch, under £37 for TRW, under £45 for ATE.

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1k0615301aa?search=OEN+1K0615301AA&supplier[0]=833&supplier[1]=3&supplier[2]=30

 

A half seized brake caliper as you put it would fail the MOT test, as one side would be less effective than the other. The rolling road on the MOT, can measure if the left or right brake is working better than the other side. If there's a significant discrepancy, the car fails the MOT.

 

All of them brands do make OEM equipment yes. Their aftermarket ranges will often be made to different standards to a OEM branded standard. That being said they are all good brands and id personally fit them to my car, but doesnt mean they can be classified as OEM quality.

 

Never said an MOT tester isnt skilled, nor dishonest nor able to spot dodgy brakes. But no matter what their skill level they have to stick to the MOT rules and that means they can and cant pass certain things even if they know they are okay or not okay.
Never said anyone nor my MOT tester isnt up to a 'standard'?

 

Autodoc is a perfectly good website for parts and is a lot cheaper than a local factors but thats at the sacrifice of time, a garage cant be waiting 2 weeks for your brakes to come in... they need same day/next day parts.

 

I said half seized to imply a level that would still be within the 30% limit across an axle would still pass an MOT test even when clear that it is seizing up/has an issue. 29% is more than significant in my and anyone elses opinion, yet its still not a fail although should be. Even if both sides were evenly massively seizing up, the brake roller could show a very low cross axle differential and still wouldnt warrant a fail on that basis alone.

 

 

Im not trying to start an argument with you, just stating very clear facts of what an MOT tester and test should cover and how many open flaws there are in the system that could mean any faults (and many faults) are missed as part of a yearly vehicle MOT.

 

 

14 minutes ago, ApertureS said:

All of them brands do make OEM equipment yes. Their aftermarket ranges will often be made to different standards to a OEM branded standard. That being said they are all good brands and id personally fit them to my car, but doesnt mean they can be classified as OEM quality.

 

Never said an MOT tester isnt skilled, nor dishonest nor able to spot dodgy brakes. But no matter what their skill level they have to stick to the MOT rules and that means they can and cant pass certain things even if they know they are okay or not okay.
Never said anyone nor my MOT tester isn't up to a 'standard'?

 

Autodoc is a perfectly good website for parts and is a lot cheaper than a local factors but thats at the sacrifice of time, a garage cant be waiting 2 weeks for your brakes to come in... they need same day/next day parts.

 

I said half seized to imply a level that would still be within the 30% limit across an axle would still pass an MOT test even when clear that it is seizing up/has an issue. 29% is more than significant in my and anyone else's opinion, yet its still not a fail although should be. Even if both sides were evenly massively seizing up, the brake roller could show a very low cross axle differential and still wouldn't warrant a fail on that basis alone.

 

I'm not trying to start an argument with you, just stating very clear facts of what an MOT tester and test should cover and how many open flaws there are in the system that could mean any faults (and many faults) are missed as part of a yearly vehicle MOT.

 

The OP has front brake discs that aren't worn out.

 

The mechanic appears to be attempting fraud by falsely claiming that urgent work needs doing.

 

Yet you appear to be doing everything you can to avoid addressing the real issue.

 

Do you work in the industry, and have you got a financial interest in this upselling fraud that sadly appears to be quite widespread in the UK?

9 minutes ago, Carlston said:

 

The OP has front brake discs that aren't worn out.

 

The mechanic appears to be attempting fraud by falsely claiming that urgent work needs doing.

 

Yet you appear to be doing everything you can to avoid addressing the real issue.

 

Do you work in the industry, and have you got a financial interest in this upselling fraud that sadly appears to be quite widespread in the UK?

 

I do work in the industry and have done for many years. No finanical interest as my 1st comment on this post clearly shows im telling him that it sounds like a load of rubbish and to take it elsewhere for a second opinion. An MOT may not give that to him clearly and ive outlined that to him perfectly. Im not blindly telling him there is no issue without having first inspected the car, like you just have. 

 

Fraud in the industry is rife I agree, and it winds me up how much of it goes on with large chains and small garages. I work for myself on my days off and pride myself on open and transparent work on peoples cars that im sure many on here can back me up on.

 

I wont be responding any further to you as it seems youre just looking for an argument, Ive made clear facts to him, Ive aired on the side of caution as its safety related and suggested a second opinion is best and an MOT is not a suitable second opinion in all cases as it is simply the bare minimum and doesnt mean it is 100% safe.

Plain and simple as that, no need for any further debating, its all love here.

Edited 2 June, 20224 yr by ApertureS

1 hour ago, ApertureS said:

I'm not blindly telling him there is no issue without having first inspected the car, like you just have.

 

I said, "The OP has front brake discs that aren't worn out".

 

The OP has quoted the mileage as 9,756 miles from new, and the garage has described them as glazed (eg. new and shiny looking), with no mention that they are worn out.

 

Considering that you work in the industry, it is to your credit that you accept that, "Fraud in the industry is rife".

9 hours ago, ApertureS said:

I do work in the industry and have done for many years.

Perhaps you can tell us what "glazed discs" actually means then, and why they require replacement?

Edited 3 June, 20224 yr by KenONeill

39 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Perhaps you can tell us what "glazed discs" actually means then, and why they require replacement?

I’d happily tell you if I had a clue myself 😂😂

Morning , I appreciate all of your inputs regarding my 'glazed discs' the car was first registered in October 2020, I was advised by the selling Skoda dealer it was a 2021 model, it was 8months old when we bought it last year and had covered only 2,917 miles at that time.

It has very strong brakes even after the 'glazed inner side of the front disc's' of course my interpretation of 'strong ' is not measured on a machine , certainly massively better than our old admittedly heavier Volvo estate that was Volvo serviced, the 2016 Vauxhall Astra 1.4 turbo did not have as strong a breaking system which we owned from new and px'd at almost 100,000mls.

I am not a mechanic (building contractor 6th generation) although I would have thought brake disc issues at this low millage would be through rusting (standing idle on the drive) and not glazing especially only on the inner side.

We all know the car is a load swallower/ comfy cruiser not a 'b' road rocket that would possibly suffer 'glazed discs if driven as if its stolen.

Since sourcing and fitting new disc's for the Fabia vrs Pagid  with Brembo pads and finding the cost savings that can be made if you have the time /tools and basic knowledge and this great forum resources along with a Haynes manual (sourced in a Harrogate  charity shop in as new condition).

I will be contacting the Skoda garage next week to discuss further.

Martin.

 

 

Don't waste your breath.

6 hours ago, ApertureS said:

I’d happily tell you if I had a clue myself 😂😂

Exactly my point; We all seem to think that the Main Stealer was talking nonsense on that point, and are therefore reluctant to believe anything else they say.