Can anybody help, my 2022 VRS always when starting always defaults to Normal Drive Mode, can you have the default as Eco ?

Don't think so. Our Karoq behaves like this.

It's not possible. Drive mode always defaults to Normal at every start of the engine.

Since about 4-5 years ago, they all default to Normal when restarted

 

There was a period when gear indicator would still show previous setting (but wasn’t in Eco).   Eco only really gives coasting when going downhill, but tsi engines use very little fuel when coasting anyway 

 

Its the same in my Hybrid, all ways defaults to Battery mode, so frustrating. You should be able to program 'your car' the way you want. 

2 hours ago, Chrisg2021 said:

You should be able to program 'your car' the way you want. 

Blame 'Dieselgate", VAG (all makers by implication) have to make their cars default to the modes in which the WLTP tests were done.

On another manufacturer's forum there is a discussion about climate control switching off and not restarting on starting the engine. This appears to be an issue with 22 reg cars, but it doesn't do this on my 19 reg car. Could be the same.

2 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

Since about 4-5 years ago, they all default to Normal when restarted

 

There was a period when gear indicator would still show previous setting (but wasn’t in Eco).   Eco only really gives coasting when going downhill, but tsi engines use very little fuel when coasting anyway 

 

 

Engines use no fuel at all when coasting The fuel supply is cat off. The only advantage of coasting in a DSG is that there will be no engine braking at all, and to be honest, most modern cars  have very little engine braking anyway. Coasting, of course may make a small difference in a manual, but unfortunately it would not be legal.

3 hours ago, Chrisg2021 said:

Its the same in my Hybrid, all ways defaults to Battery mode, so frustrating. You should be able to program 'your car' the way you want. 

Cant please them all. I really prefer the hybrid being on battery mode when starting. Would not want to start the engine if not using it.

1 hour ago, Routemaster1461 said:

 

Engines use no fuel at all when coasting The fuel supply is cat off. The only advantage of coasting in a DSG is that there will be no engine braking at all, and to be honest, most modern cars  have very little engine braking anyway. Coasting, of course may make a small difference in a manual, but unfortunately it would not be legal.

 

Yes, I’ve noticed in my manual TSI that there is very little engine braking compared to cars of old.

 

Another interesting thing I noticed is about gear selection. We are often told to use the highest gear we can - but i reckon its not always the most fuel efficient. We have a long straight road near where I live, with a reasonable hill. Coming down, foot off the throttle in 5th gear and the instant fuel economy is showing around 150 - 180 mpg. Do the same in fourth and it shows “- - - “,  so full fuel cut off. I guess its the anti-stall kicking in when in 5th…

Edited 18 June, 20223 yr by sneal
Correcting the auto-correct!

2 hours ago, sneal said:

 

Yes, I’ve noticed in my manual TSI that there is very little engine braking compared to cars of old.

 

Another interesting thing I noticed is about gear selection. We are often told to use the highest gear we can - but i reckon its not always the most fuel efficient. We have a long straight road near where I live, with a reasonable hill. Coming down, foot off the throttle in 5th gear and the instant fuel economy is showing around 150 - 180 mpg. Do the same in fourth and it shows “- - - “,  so full fuel cut off. I guess its the anti-stall kicking in when in 5th…

I've often commented on the lack of engine braking on my manual 2014 1.4tsi. It is not a problem where I live which is largely flat but when I do encounter a reasonably steep downhill (about 1 in 8 ) even 2nd gear revving its nuts off requires additional braking to remain under the speed limit. Every other vehicle I've owned whether diesel/petrol/manual/auto would be speed restricted happily in 3rd gear on the same hill. 

@sneal  I was looking at getting a manual 1.5tsi Scala during Covid restrictions but couldn't get a test drive in one (DSG only) I asked a few times in different threads if anyone could give me an idea of the gearing in a manual 1.5tsi but never received a response. When you are in top gear (6th) what sort of revs are you pulling at 70mph?

My 1.4tsi is about 2700 rpm which are relatively high revs but not a real problem as the engine is smooth and it even allows me to accelerate up that long downhill I mentioned in top gear as long as the engine is in the max torque zone ie over 1500rpm, which also suggest it is a bit undergeared.

Edited 18 June, 20223 yr by Gerrycan

21 hours ago, sneal said:

 

foot off the throttle in 5th gear and the instant fuel economy is showing around 150 - 180 mpg. Do the same in fourth and it shows “- - - “,  so full fuel cut off.

Fuel cutoff happens only when engine rpm is above approx 1400rpm, so when in 4th the engine rpm will be above that threshold and fuel will be cutoff but when in 5th the lower engine rpm will mean that the engine is still being fuelled.

20 hours ago, Gerrycan said:

I've often commented on the lack of engine braking on my manual 2014 1.4tsi. It is not a problem where I live which is largely flat but when I do encounter a reasonably steep downhill (about 1 in 8 ) even 2nd gear revving its nuts off requires additional braking to remain under the speed limit. Every other vehicle I've owned whether diesel/petrol/manual/auto would be speed restricted happily in 3rd gear on the same hill. 

@sneal  I was looking at getting a manual 1.5tsi Scala during Covid restrictions but couldn't get a test drive in one (DSG only) I asked a few times in different threads if anyone could give me an idea of the gearing in a manual 1.5tsi but never received a response. When you are in top gear (6th) what sort of revs are you pulling at 70mph?

My 1.4tsi is about 2700 rpm which are relatively high revs but not a real problem as the engine is smooth and it even allows me to accelerate up that long downhill I mentioned in top gear as long as the engine is in the max torque zone ie over 1500rpm, which also suggest it is a bit undergeared.

In 6th at 70mph the engine is at 2350rpm, so a tad over 30mph per 1000rpm

 

 

On 18/06/2022 at 07:25, SurreyJohn said:

Since about 4-5 years ago, they all default to Normal when restarted

 

There was a period when gear indicator would still show previous setting (but wasn’t in Eco).   Eco only really gives coasting when going downhill, but tsi engines use very little fuel when coasting anyway 

 

 

I'm a bit confused with the whole coasting thing. Let's say you're driving in "Normal" downhill and lift your foot from the accelerator. The DSG will "put" the car in coasting, and the ECO icon will appear on the dashboard. The feeling is like you've depressed the clutch pedal on a manual car. The instant consumption shows "coasting", but the engine is still running, so it definitely is using fuel. Yet, if you leave the car in gear (in the case of DSG just pressing the gear down lever), now it really feels like the engine is "properly coasting" downhill and the fuel is cut off... 

 

Am I getting this wrong?

On 18/06/2022 at 12:07, Routemaster1461 said:

 

Engines use no fuel at all when coasting The fuel supply is cat off. The only advantage of coasting in a DSG is that there will be no engine braking at all, and to be honest, most modern cars  have very little engine braking anyway. Coasting, of course may make a small difference in a manual, but unfortunately it would not be legal.

 

That depends on what you call "coasting". With the DSG, you could be coasting in gear with fuel supply cut off ("0.0 l/h" or "0.0 kg/h" on the dash depending on the fuel) or out of gear with the engine idling at around 1000rpm ("Coasting" on the dash). The latter situation will definitely use fuel.

 

2 hours ago, Tishout said:

 

 

I'm a bit confused with the whole coasting thing. Let's say you're driving in "Normal" downhill and lift your foot from the accelerator. The DSG will "put" the car in coasting, and the ECO icon will appear on the dashboard. The feeling is like you've depressed the clutch pedal on a manual car. The instant consumption shows "coasting", but the engine is still running, so it definitely is using fuel. Yet, if you leave the car in gear (in the case of DSG just pressing the gear down lever), now it really feels like the engine is "properly coasting" downhill and the fuel is cut off... 

 

Am I getting this wrong?

 

You are fully correct here. When the dash is showing "Coasting" and the eco icon, the engine is decoupled from the transmission and idling. It's possible to influence whether it coasts in gear with fuel supply cut off or decoupled by the speed at which you lift your foot off the throttle. By releasing it slowly, it will decouple the engine and coast smoothly. When releasing the throttle abrutply, the ECU expects you to slow down or come to a stop, and it will usually start engine braking right away.

Edited 22 June, 20223 yr by Jorgeminator

One of the benefits of the hybrid is the braking effect produced by the regen system. I hardly use the brakes going downhill, particularly when I set cruise control. When approaching a junction, I only use the brakes to provide a complete stop. Also, the regen charges the battery: going down a steep approx 3-mile hill near home it adds about 700 watts.

2 minutes ago, Jim2015 said:

One of the benefits of the hybrid is the braking effect produced by the regen system. I hardly use the brakes going downhill, particularly when I set cruise control. When approaching a junction, I only use the brakes to provide a complete stop. Also, the regen charges the battery: going down a steep approx 3-mile hill near home it adds about 700 watts.

 

I'd expect it to regen a lot more than 700 watts when going down a steep hill. Did you mean it adds 700 watt-hours?

'Coasting' function with a DSG is the gears disengaged.  As was with some DSG's / Vehicles, D 7 went t just D when 'Coasting'. 

Engine cut out so all cylinders & Coasting to a halt or restart or Cylinder Deactivation and 2 cylinder shutdown and still then Coasting yet another thing.

3 hours ago, Tishout said:

 

 

I'm a bit confused with the whole coasting thing. Let's say you're driving in "Normal" downhill and lift your foot from the accelerator. The DSG will "put" the car in coasting, and the ECO icon will appear on the dashboard. The feeling is like you've depressed the clutch pedal on a manual car. The instant consumption shows "coasting", but the engine is still running, so it definitely is using fuel. Yet, if you leave the car in gear (in the case of DSG just pressing the gear down lever), now it really feels like the engine is "properly coasting" downhill and the fuel is cut off... 

 

Am I getting this wrong?

 

Don’t think you’re ‘getting it wrong’ its just that the car behaves differently based on circumstances. It’s about nine months since I drove the 1.0 e-TEC DSG, but from memory I could ‘force’ it to engine brake by quickly taking foot off the accelerator. Doing it slowly would lead to the ‘Coasting’ indication on the virtual cockpit. Sometimes this would leave the engine ticking over, others at zero revs. I think this was all to do with the auto stop/start algorithms based on the battery charge state and load.

 

All a tad mysterious, and (at first) a weird feeling coasting at zero revs and in neutral at 70mph!

^^^But then that is a Mild Hybrid so again acts differently from a PHEV.

 

 

 

 

Edited 22 June, 20223 yr by roottoot

7 minutes ago, roottoot said:

^^^But then that is a Mild Hybrid so again acts differently from a PHEV.

 

And so the plot thickens…

 

Please can I have an engine, four gears, and a handbrake. Life used to be so simple 😉

2 hours ago, Jorgeminator said:

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You are fully correct here. When the dash is showing "Coasting" and the eco icon, the engine is decoupled from the transmission and idling. It's possible to influence whether it coasts in gear with fuel supply cut off or decoupled by the speed at which you lift your foot off the throttle. By releasing it slowly, it will decouple the engine and coast smoothly. When releasing the throttle abrutply, the ECU expects you to slow down or come to a stop, and it will usually start engine braking right away.

Thanks and wow, didn't know the trick with the throttle release - just tried it and worked like a charm! I used to click the gear-down lever once and it did the same job...

 

22 minutes ago, sneal said:

 

Don’t think you’re ‘getting it wrong’ its just that the car behaves differently based on circumstances. It’s about nine months since I drove the 1.0 e-TEC DSG, but from memory I could ‘force’ it to engine brake by quickly taking foot off the accelerator. Doing it slowly would lead to the ‘Coasting’ indication on the virtual cockpit. Sometimes this would leave the engine ticking over, others at zero revs. I think this was all to do with the auto stop/start algorithms based on the battery charge state and load.

 

All a tad mysterious, and (at first) a weird feeling coasting at zero revs and in neutral at 70mph!

 

The e-Tec is a mild hybrid, so that's why it turns the engine off. Never drove it but I would feel a bit ... nerveous if I have the engine off at 70 mph... 😅

@sneal

Probably at a Dacia Dealership.   Or there will be a Kamiq, Scala or Fabia out there with a faulty gearbox and a manual parking brake.

Edited 22 June, 20223 yr by roottoot

Hi guys, not sure if hijacking the topic here, but I've got a question regarding the manual mode on the DSG, and since I didn't find a more suitable topic, decided to ask here, lol.

 

So, when I'm driving in Normal and decide to change a gear using the flaps, the DSG goes into Manual mode. Then, in about 10 seconds it gets back to D. A guy on Facebook said his doesn't go back to D, and stays in Manual, so I thought to check out here. What's everyone's experience with this? If I set the DSG into Sports, then it stays in Manual mode, as expected...

As I already mentioned on Facebook, mine goes back to D in 10 to 15s if gear is not changed. Could be Skoda changed the behavior in newer cars. Mine is November 2020 and I still have 1788 SW.