Does anyone who owns an Enyaq 80X tow with it? And if so do they know the actual “plated” towing weight (Max train weight less max vehicle weight).

I have frequently come across 1200kg towing weight for the 80x on 12% gradient but have also spotted 1400kg on 8% gradient (perhaps not an official figure for the UK market).

Havent been on here for some time.

Thanks.

 

 

Fire off an Email to Skoda UK Customer Services and see if they can come up with a correct figure for a 80X. 

1,200 kg seems to be the answer.  (2020, 21, 22,  80 RWD 1,000 kg

One that they can be held to and quoted on.

 

http://towingcapacity.co.uk/car-make-model/skoda/skoda-enyaq

 

http://electrictowcars.co.uk/skoda-enyaq-iv

 

 

 

 

From somewhere SKODA come up with 'up to 1,400 kg' for this storyboard website.

 

 

Edited 1 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

Have already spoken to Skoda customer services. Fat lot of good it did me! They just referred me to my “local” retailer who won’t commit to a figure either! “Subject to spec changes without notice blah blah blah” 

Although I have seen that VW have a new version of the ID4 coming along soon, the ID4 Pro 4motion which they claim will tow 1400kg (so if that claim is correct then the platform is capable of towing the minimum amount I require). So think I will wait for those to hit dealers and have a look then. No longer have a “local” Skoda dealer anyway since Arnies canned the Inverness dealer. It’s now Aberdeen or Perth and the guts of a 5 hour drive away. So am increasingly thinking my current Kodiaq will be my last Skoda unless they they somehow return to Inverness. 

If you want to possibly speak to someone that gives a damn try a call to Skoda Specialist Cars Dundee part of the same John Clark Group as the hopeless lot at Perth & Aberdeen. (edit)

the best of the bunch IMO.   

 

For proper knowledge and Service you need to go to Victoria Garage Maud where they have all the gear and more than ideas.

Edited 1 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

From the brochure…

Also has note at bottom stating that if tow-bar not factory fit, or factory tow bar prep option not chosen VIN plate could show zero towing capacity and will not be legal to tow, or have aftermarket tow bar fitted.

Thanks Kenny, that’s the info I had spotted before. The 1400kg on an 8% gradient for the 80X sportline.

What I would like to confirm are the actual plated weights labelled on the vehicle as those are the figures that stand legality wise (brochures being subject to the whims of Skoda marketing). If someone out there has an 80X that they tow with and can confirm what the plated weights on the vehicle are. As Skoda don’t seem to publish the gross/max train weight anywhere. I can see that the max vehicle weight is 2746kg so I just need that train weight.

thanks.

Edited 1 July, 20223 yr by Gmac983

@gmac983 There is another complication, depends on when you (or anyone else driving) passed their driving test.   Basically if it was after 1st January 1997 then you are limited to 750kg unless you take the towing test as well (look up the restrictions on B+E on back of your driving license if unsure.

 

So might be why they don't like to quote it, because if you tow a big trailer and your driving license doesn't allow it, you might feel rather misled if you got stopped and fined.

As well to know the current situation in the UK. 

http://carwow.co.uk/blog/uk-towing-laws#gref

 

Changed Rules / law from last year in the UK.

http://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-rules-for-towing-a-trailer-or-caravan-with-a-car-from-autumn-2021

 

Edited 4 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

On 03/07/2022 at 16:45, SurreyJohn said:

@gmac983 There is another complication, depends on when you (or anyone else driving) passed their driving test.   Basically if it was after 1st January 1997 then you are limited to 750kg unless you take the towing test as well (look up the restrictions on B+E on back of your driving license if unsure.

 

So might be why they don't like to quote it, because if you tow a big trailer and your driving license doesn't allow it, you might feel rather misled if you got stopped and fined.

You’ve not got that quite right there mate. I believe you are getting muddled with the post 2012(ish) changes that where made.

‘97 > ‘12 regs in as simplified terms as possible went as follows: you could tow any weight you liked (braked) as long as you were not exceeding the vehicles towing capacity and critically max-train was no more than 3500kg. Also plated weights of the trailer did not come into it until after 2012. Meaning that the plated weight of the trailer had to be within your vehicles towing capacity and within that GTW of 3500kg. Lots of folks had trailers down plated to meet this criteria who couldn’t or wouldn’t pass the B+E. I passed the B+E a few years ago which annoyingly has now been made irrelevant by the government changing the regs back to a free-for-all. 

Autocar 29 Jun 2022 did a test of an Enyaq 80 towing a Bailey Discovery 4-2.  They reported an approximate 50% reduction in range.

 

Makes you think.

 

What is needed is for a caravan manufacturers to just build a van with batteries in the flat floor, that will sort out the range anxiety. You could then just charge the van, or the car, or both.  The knock on effect would be the increase in weight which would then cause complications with the max-train weight.

 

tom

Edited 10 July, 20223 yr by Sanqhar

They have built Caravans / Trailers like that.

But then as said you have the weight of what you are towing to consider.  You are back to towing more weight to get more range.

So what you really need is the regeneration from the thing towed and a small battery, like with a Hybrid Plug in car. 

But still weight is the issue. 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/502992-electric-cars-or-vans-towing-in-the-uk-any-reviews-or-videos-anyones-experience-etc

 

Edited 10 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

http://caravanclub.co.uk/whats-on/awards/towcar-of-the-year/SKODA

 

Front wheel drive.    1 speed / DSG.

Did they even look at the car or the Skoda spec sheet.  Or did they get their info from one of those?

 

Edited 10 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

@roottoot the 0~60 & 40~60 acceleration times don't look bad but the quoted deceleration times if correct @ 60~0 just under 1hr & 60~30 13.6 minutes means you're going to need to anticipate coming up to a junction in good time  !!

I know this is an old topic but the weight situation was never clarified. 

 

All UK Skoda's AFAIK know have a tow weight limit for a 12% incline and one for an 8% incline.

 

You will find that if the car is homologated for towing it will have a train weight limit on its VIN plate. If it has no train weight limit it will can never legally tow anything.

 

You will find that where it has a train limit the amount will be the lower of the two weight limits plus the car's gross vehicle weight limit. What you have to remember is that the car plus caravan must never go above the plated train weight. How that weight is made up is immaterial. So, if you're not going to encounter any steep hills you can tow up to the higher tow limit BUT that reduces the gross vehicle weight limit of the tow vehcle by the amount you are over the lower tow limit.

 

So if you have a car that has a 3000kg GVW and towing limits of 1200kg and 1400kg the VIN plate GTW will read 4200kg. If you decided to tow a caravan weighing 1400kg, then the GVW of the car reduces to 2800kg. Legally speaking none of the plated weights should ever be exceeded. The towing limits are warranty limits and in themselves aren't legal limits. If Skoda suspected that you'd exceeded their towing limits they might refuse warranty cover for a repair. 

 

HTH 

Suspected.  Surmised, suggests.   Shirley / surely the ECU had not got a Memory feature so they knows the weight that was hitched on the car does it, along with knowing the incline using a sensor and say nav and GPS so that VW Group can say that you invalidated a warranty. 

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

Agreed, but if the problem/damage is consistent with over loading they might refuse to cover the cost. You could try disputing it and good luck with that. From experience they can be obstinate.

Understanding VOSA trailer towing laws is essential for any driver towing in the UK. From knowing your vehicle’s weight limits to ensuring you have the correct licence, these regulations ensure safety on the roads. With the new 2024 updates, drivers have more flexibility but must remain vigilant about the legal limits and safety requirements. Always check your driving licence and vehicle specifications before towing to stay compliant with UK laws.

 

https://www.towbarexpress.co.uk/maximum-towing-weight?srsltid=AfmBOoo6zw43EgBdRiCo7TyhRedcoYldEaCeQ6PTzGAA14IbvHtqEuIM

There are usually 4 lines on the vin

1. is the gross weight of the car

2. is the max Train weight

3 and 4 are axle weights

 

So the tow weight is the difference between 2 and 1 

 

If you exceed the Tow weight you could be using a vehicle not fit for purpose which may be illegal

but if you exceed the train weight  i am pretty sure that would be illegal.

 

 

The point I'm making is that in law your car and trailer cannot weigh more than the train weight limit. 

 

Generally that train weight limit is the maximum weight that the car can be, plus the manufacturer's towing limit.

 

However it's fairly rare for a car to be loaded at its maximum and therefore, legally speaking any 'spare' weight on the car's weight limit can legally be used on the trailer. That would, of course, mean that the  car's towing limit would be exceeded, but it wouldn't be illegal becausethe train weight limit hadn't been exceeded.

 

In this case Skoda quotes a towing limit for 1in 12 (8%) hills and another for 1 in 8 (12%) hills. The train weight limit that's on the VIN plate is the car's maximum weight plus the 12% towing limit, meaning that the car should be able to pull a trailer weighing the towing limit up a 12% hill.

 

Should you wish to utilise the extra towing amount provided by the 8% limit you need to be aware that Skoda say that the car will pull that weight up an 8% hill and nothing steeper. In opting for the higher towing weight it means the maximum weight of the towcar is reduced by the amount that the trailer weighs over the 8% limit. The principle being that the train weight can never be exceeded.

 

So in an Enyaq you can opt to pull the extra 200kg, provided you realise that:

• You will be pulling 200kg more than the manufacturer says the car can pull up a hill steeper than 1 in 12 (8%)
• You might endanger warranty cover if you do tow the heavier weight on a hill steeper than 8%.
• You must make sure that the Gross Vehicle Weight of the Enyaq is less than the additional weight you are pulling above the 12% limit.

Actual real world it is very common for those with little experience or knowledge to load a car and to tow. Never bother heading to a Public Weigh bridge solo and loaded or hitched up.   As those that are ever at DVSA stops will see if there are those over weight there when they are.     It might become more common in Scotland that BEV,s towing are pulled in.  Hopefully they will be. 

8 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Actual real world it is very common for those with little experience or knowledge to load a car and to tow. Never bother heading to a Public Weigh bridge solo and loaded or hitched up.   As those that are ever at DVSA stops will see if there are those over weight there when they are.     It might become more common in Scotland that BEV,s towing are pulled in.  Hopefully they will be. 

 

Hopefully.

 

Many don't realise the legal limits are not about the ability to pull, it's the ability to stop.

Plenty towing in Scotland and there are plenty in Scotland with BEV,s towing rather long vans seem to have no idea about the speed limits that apply to them or to keeping not only the car but the Caravan on their side of the road, or that passing placed have not the length required to get the whole outfit clear front and rear.  There had been an issue always with some regardless of what tow car and caravan but it is like arrogance now with some.  They are driving Tesla or Kia in the main. 

The vehicle maximum weight and train weight limits can be down to a number of factors, brake capacity being one, available power another, cooling capability is yet another and stuctural strength of towbar securing points are two more. 

 

The weight limit on a caravan can be allocated for marketing reasons, allowing the weight limit to be increased to te caravans actual axle weight limit upon agreement by the caravan builder. The axle weight limit generally depends on the structural strength of the caravan chassis/axle and the suspensions capacity to handle the weight without damage or distortion.  

Never towed in Scotland but know you have a lot more passing place roads than England. In England the number of people who know how to drive on them is very limited. Following each other like sheep and wondering why they get stuck when the car in front stops in one to let someone passed.😂

6 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Plenty towing in Scotland and there are plenty in Scotland with BEV,s towing rather long vans seem to have no idea about the speed limits that apply to them or to keeping not only the car but the Caravan on their side of the road, or that passing placed have not the length required to get the whole outfit clear front and rear.  There had been an issue always with some regardless of what tow car and caravan but it is like arrogance now with some.  They are driving Tesla or Kia in the main. 

 

Tesla's and Kia's are almost the only BEV's that can pull caravans. Some really, really expensive BEV's can and the Hyundai stablemate of the Kia and some Mercedes and a Volvo but that's about it.