The 1.4 TDI Recall thread was running from 2017 in the Mk3 section. 

24 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@lol-lol There you are again talking about turning up at customers in cars.  HMRC incentives with these company cars or business use.

A whole different thing from peoples cash money for a car for Private, Leisure & Commuting.  Using all their own hard earned. 

 

Indeed turning up at clients and when your employer is paying you several thousands in car allowance I think they have an expectation that you turn up in newish car. I n fact their are rules that you are not suppose to get two door cars and to keep the car tidy to take either clients or colleagues. 

 

Not many people get company car sourced except now for the salary sacrifice super new tax avoidance scheme. Mileage is so crap at 45p a mile, 25p after 10k miles, thank God EVs can be run for less than 25p a mile.

 

All Benefits in Kind, fuel on a fuel card, reclaiming business mileage allowance is all taxed, or tax relieved and none of it is generous any more.  Frozen tax allowances, country in recession manifests itself in massive bi-election losses for the Cons.  Sadly UK economy is in such a mess that money that goes through the tax system is taxed higher than any other time since WW2.  More people entering higher tax bands, a disillusioned Civil service and public servants who cannot afford to do jobs like community nursing as the allowances are too low to run a car.  A sad state for the UK to be in a we were promised such riches after the "B" event occured.     

 

12 minutes ago, Rooted said:

The 1.4 TDI Recall thread was running from 2017 in the Mk3 section. 

 

Wish I read it before I chose it.  It was partly for one of my kids to use I recall, cheap insurance,  unlike the reliability and running costs sadly.

 

The original post was is it more risky to buy an EV?  Well it certainly was from a price prospective !

 

I was speaking to someone today who just bought themselves a very low mileage 23plate Corsa-e for £13k - he said the list was £31k. He said it's only being used as a town runaround for the family, but if he needed anything bigger he'd have gone for the Mokka. That lists at £40k but he could have bought a '73 plate pre-reg for £20k.  Aye right...  I though he must have his figures wrong. So just had a look whilst I'm sitting down with my cuppa tonight and...

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312044530998

 

😲

 

I'm not going to say it's the bargain of the century because I haven't a clue how much it still has to depreciate, but never before have I seen a pre-reg being sold for half it's list price. And then I see other new cars being advertised for around £40k and '23 plates with only a few thousand miles on them for £17k  which probably means the trade price is somewhere in the region of £14k  😲   What on earth is going on here?

 

Imagine having paid list or anywhere near list for a Vauxhall EV and then you discover that 😢

2 minutes ago, kodiaqsportline said:

The original post was is it more risky to buy an EV?  Well it certainly was from a price prospective !

 

I was speaking to someone today who just bought themselves a very low mileage 23plate Corsa-e for £13k - he said the list was £31k. He said it's only being used as a town runaround for the family, but if he needed anything bigger he'd have gone for the Mokka. That lists at £40k but he could have bought a '73 plate pre-reg for £20k.  Aye right...  I though he must have his figures wrong. So just had a look whilst I'm sitting down with my cuppa tonight and...

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312044530998

 

😲

 

I'm not going to say it's the bargain of the century because I haven't a clue how much it still has to depreciate, but never before have I seen a pre-reg being sold for half it's list price. And then I see other new cars being advertised for around £40k and '23 plates with only a few thousand miles on them for £17k  which probably means the trade price is somewhere in the region of £14k  😲   What on earth is going on here?

 

Imagine having paid list or anywhere near list for a Vauxhall EV and then you discover that 😢

 

 

There was a special offer when the new model was announced, which one has he got?

Today there are newspaper articles that the YES edition Corsa Electric is the cheapest new EV you can buy in the UK.  The likes of my 7kW AC onboard 50kW elite was £35,000 grand RRP and someone bought it from a dealer at 3 years old after motability sold it through BCA for a silly price considering a new one was on offer for a couple of thousand more.   The Fire Sale of some Corsa Electric was to shift stock of older or limited edition vehicles before the updates.    Then there is the difference now on the bigger battery cars.   There are huge amounts of ex motability , ex NHS loan card from COVID time and various fleet ones that traders and dealers struggle to shift.  Also new and the latest ones.  They were and are overpriced in the main, but there are bargains to be had and if you want a keeper much cheapness.    Problem is still crap drop links and software.  Then Vauxhall Dealers or maybe just Arnold Clark and EV,s and total pathetic knowledge of them in dealerships.  

1 hour ago, Rooted said:

Today there are newspaper articles that the YES edition Corsa Electric is the cheapest new EV you can buy in the UK.  The likes of my 7kW AC onboard 50kW elite was £35,000 grand RRP and someone bought it from a dealer at 3 years old after motability sold it through BCA for a silly price considering a new one was on offer for a couple of thousand more.   The Fire Sale of some Corsa Electric was to shift stock of older or limited edition vehicles before the updates.    Then there is the difference now on the bigger battery cars.   There are huge amounts of ex motability , ex NHS loan card from COVID time and various fleet ones that traders and dealers struggle to shift.  Also new and the latest ones.  They were and are overpriced in the main, but there are bargains to be had and if you want a keeper much cheapness.    Problem is still crap drop links and software.  Then Vauxhall Dealers or maybe just Arnold Clark and EV,s and total pathetic knowledge of them in dealerships.  

 

It's a strange One because in the Blurb they quote the power output of the bigger Corsa and the mileage of the lower powered one

 

https://www.vauxhall.co.uk/cars/new-corsa/yes-edition.html

 

"The new Corsa YES Edition Electric offers a fun driving experience. Its fully electric 136PS powertrain develops 260 Nm of torque, meaning its fast off the line whilst having no gears to shift, and best of all, driving with zero emissions. The next-gen battery allows you to drive up to 221 miles* on a single charge, and when needed can be fast-charged from 20% to 80% in just 30 minutes* using a DC charger at your local Tesco with free charging credit provided^, making Corsa YES Edition your perfect partner for all trips; both long or short."

 

 

Existing  car stats for the new corsa range

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 24 February, 20242 yr by Stonekeeper

Strange because the Corsa-e that became the Corsa electric with 136 ps / 134 hp was and is a 100kW.   Where does the Max Power 81kW come from now as a figure and no longer the 260Nm?   (192lb-ft)

 

*** The changed the gearing, and it is not any longer 136 ps if it is 81kW, that is 110ps,.***

 

The 0-60 mph time and the 0-62 mph times were always nonsense and shown as low because the e-208 was made to appear quicker in official figures back in 2020.

 

There was always a Kerb Weight given that was greater than the actual weight, and the cheapest lightest Corsa -e on 16" wheels went further and was / is more efficient than the 17".

 

With the Citroen C4 Electric on 18" wheels though it goes further than a Peugeot e-208 or Corsa-e on 16 or 17 " wheels / tyres.

16" being 195,s and the 17,s 205 and the 18" 215,s.

 

 

Edited 24 February, 20242 yr by Rooted

2 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Strange because the Corsa-e that became the Corsa electric with 136 ps / 134 hp was and is a 100kW.   Where does the Max Power 81kW come from now as a figure and still the 260Nm? 

 

The 0-60 mph time and the 0-62 mph times were always nonsense and shown as low because the e-208 was made to appear quicker in official figures back in 2020.

 

 

Same calculations that Skoda use for the Enyaq with 82kw producing 210kw? but the VRS is 82kw producing 250kw

I edited my mistake.

 

82 kW is the battery size,  not the power the motor develops  210kW.281.6 bhp.

 

82 kW battery, 77 kW usable. 

 

With the Corsa that are saying the Smaller Battery car still has 136 PS but 81kW is 110 ps.

 

The 51 kW bigger battery supposed has has 48 kW usable or so.  the old and still used in the cheaper cars 50kW was and is 45 kW usable. 

 

 

Edited 24 February, 20242 yr by Rooted

2 minutes ago, Rooted said:

I edited my mistake.

 

82 kW is the battery size,  not the power the motor develops  210kW.281.6 bhp.

 

82 kW battery, 77 kW usable. 

 

The previous corsa was a 50kw battery too but they claimed 100kw power? Now the 50kw claims 81kw  with the 51kw battery producing 115kw but uses less kwh/km than the smaller battery.

 

I have no idea how it works.

It never Claimed 100 kW / 136 ps power it had that. 

 

& 100kW charging speed.   These kW and not kWh are what confuses people if you use it to mean Capacity and Power. 

 

 

I have an idea on how they made a typo someplace.

If, 

The cheaper smaller battery Corsa electric like i had with a 50 kW battery and 100 kw / 136 ps power now as the cheaper an smaller battery must have 81 kW power/ 110 ps. 

Edited 24 February, 20242 yr by Rooted

1 minute ago, Rooted said:

I have an idea on how they made a typo someplace.

If, 

The cheaper smaller battery Corsa electric like i had with a 50 kW battery and 100 kw / 136 ps power now as the cheaper an smaller battery must have 81 kW power/ 110 ps. 

 

Quite possible the info goes off to the marketing dept to produce the blurb and then no-one proof reads the resulting material?

Exactly.

 

& back in 2020 like when i went to a Launch of the Corsa electric with journalists the cars were on Pilot Sports and there were 0-62 mph times and they were in CAR and i had them on Dragy.

Then the cars were launched and arrived on Michelin Primacy 4, had slower and poorer performance but a nice low Insurance Group,.

& not so good published figures as the Peugeot and journals and journalists kept repeating crap about suspension etc.

They should have gone to a weigh bridge, or corner scales and looked at the tyres.  Maybe adjusted the pressures.

 

The sister cars and from him he just tells as he sees it.

Same batteries and motors in the cars, weights and tyres different and suspension.   All have drop link failures, crap discs as well.

Eco under 90 ps. Normal 110 ps and Sport 136ps.

 

 

Edited 24 February, 20242 yr by Rooted

Kilowatt-hour  (kWh) for battery capacity.

kilowatt (kW) for motor power or charging speed.

 

Any press that talks/writes kilowatt (without hour) for battery not worth watching/reading.

Also a good way to avoid dealers who are not familiar with EV's.

I just heard on the radio that the App used for remote functions with Nissan Leaf and NV200,s built before 2016 is to be shut down.  Because it uses G2 network which is closing. 

 

EDIT.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68426263

 

Edited 4 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

Only 3000 vehicles? Leaf was on sale from 2011 onwards, I'd have thought more than that.

 

I posted about this when it first surfaced last Wednesday in the "truth" thread. It's disappointing to say the least, only gave a month notice.

 

But this kind of online service shutdown is same on ICE vehicle apps. It just happened on EV now because Leaf was the very first to get this feature through bad implementation. I'm sure other ICE vehicle using CarWings would also suffer the same faith.

On 17/02/2024 at 17:52, lol-lol said:

How can a small engine be so difficult to do basic stuff on ?  I have had cars it would take me less than 15 minutes to change the thermostat and cost about £20.  How can it cost 40 times more and call that progress. 

 

Because you have taken the lazy route and stopped doing your own maintenance, now you are whinging about paying the price for your decision and comparing apples with valve radios.

6 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

Because you have taken the lazy route and stopped doing your own maintenance, now you are whinging about paying the price for your decision and comparing apples with valve radios.

 

I think it is more about not have the tools to delve deep in to guts of an incredibly complex modern diesel engine, despite me being an ex diesel engineer in the Merchant marine, I expect it was going to need all sorts of tools to almost split the engine and get down to these components which now are buried in the middle zone of the engine, as I think they have dual cooling zone systems ie head and jackets.  Back in the day it was simply a little chamber up in the head, three bolts, one little gasket replacement, swap in the new thermostat.

 

Fortunately got it down by one of the excellent ex-Skoda garages, who were given an ultimatum to do all sorts of upgrades, part of Skoda moving to the big chain dealerships with, in my experience much worse service and pricing.  The saw the light and went to Dacia and Renault and had a great few years before Covid convinced them to move away from running garages. So they were brilliant and I was happy for them to do the work but the economics of running ICE cars over EVs was highlighted ie EVs simple and much cheaper servicing and less likely to have expensive between maintenance costs ie gearboxes, turbos and like my thermostat and water pump experience.  EVs are just simpler and less likely to go wrong in my experience as well as being about three times more efficient and cheaper to run on energy.

 

6 hours ago, Rooted said:

I just heard on the radio that the App used for remote functions with Nissan Leaf and NV200,s built before 2016 is to be shut down.  Because it uses G2 network which is closing. 

 

EDIT.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68426263

 

Loads of vehicles will be affected by this come the end of the year, as all 3G networks are being shutdown. Vodafone have completed their shutdown and i now no longer have app access to my ID.4 on my drive. 4G signal still works on the car though.

Nissan one is slightly different. Nissan are shutting down their server/service for old Leaf using CarWings. This system uses 2G instead of 3G, 2G is said to be the fall-back option during 3G shutdown and will operate into 2030's. So this loss of vehicle feature is entirely on Nissan.

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Ootohere said:

 

 

 

He said about old Zoes using Chademo ! 

To quote the football anthem for referees "You dont know what your doing".

Generally like Fully charged and this presenter but the lack of basic knowledge undermines credibility.

 

I also noticed that. I think he was referring to Type 2.

There is also missing popular models such as Kona and Model Y.

The price given for a few are not quite right, early Leaf can be had for £3000. Ioniq 28 are around £8000 while early 38 are now around £10k.

 

But the general idea is sound, second hand EV's are very cheap right now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 18 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere