My Fabia DSG Mk3 is now 4 years old with 26k on the clock.

Should I have been offered a DSG oil change at the last Skoda service? Is it necessary on my car?

No.

Because it is a DQ200 DSG, 7 speed twin dry clutch. 

 It has 2 oils, in the box and in the MCU and there is no Schedule, guidelines or recommendations for oil changes. 

 

 

Edited 24 December, 20223 yr by toot

I intend keeping the car a while longer,glad there's nothing to do,thanks.

Were you asked if you wanted to pay to have the spark plugs changed?

Was the brake fluid changed last year or tested, or this year?

Was the pollen filter changed for the 2nd time?

Were you offered a AC Service.

 

Check the Air Filter condition. location location location, and do not leave too long between checking.

 

These are the things that should be offered or done?   If Full Main Dealer Servicing is being done to Manufacturers Recommendations, Guidelines or Schedules and if there is an extended warranty. 

Edited 24 December, 20223 yr by toot

Yes I did pay for a spark plug change. The brake fluid was changed on the third service. Yes the pollen filters were changed on this last service. I turned down an AC service. Is it wise to have this done at 4 years old?

The air filter was changed.

Happy new year.  I have never had an AC servicing on a car where the AC was working, or a top up / gas change.   Never had issues ever with cars I have had other than accident damaged ones that had a professional replace parts and gas up and test.  

I had exactly the same question about the DSG on my Rapid but that is 8 years (also 26k on the clock) and no evidence of a previous DSG oil change.The official schedule does appear to be 40k or every 4 years but when I rang my local Skoda dealer; to my surprise they said it was fine to leave until 40k miles. However, as the cost of a change was less than I thought I might have it done at the time of the next service.

 

@NeilMH

The Official Schedule is there is no Schedule, Recommendation or Guidelines to service / oil change your DQ200 DSG. 

 

I am not surprised you were told to leave it until 40,000 miles by someone who obviously knows nothing about them. 

 

If the cost to change was £215 or even less that was no bargain, it is £215 or less more than you need to spend.

1 minute ago, toot said:

@NeilMH

The Official Schedule is there is no Schedule, Recommendation or Guidelines to service / oil change your DQ200 DSG. 

 

I am not surprised you were told to leave it until 40,000 miles by someone who obviously knows nothing about them. 

 

If the cost to change was £215 or even less that was no bargain, it is £215 or less more than you need to spend.

Sorry toot......I'm probably being thick but what are you recommending?

There is no servicing of a DQ200 7 Speed DSG, at 40,000 miles, 4 years or anytime.  That is the official Schedule.   

(2009-2012 ones had a Recall / Service Campaign where the oil was changed, 34F7, they changed the synthetic for mineral and did a software update.)

 

????

So since your DQ200 DSG is from 2013-2015, the question is.  Was the Service Campaign '34H5' required, Started in 2017.?

This is a Software Update that your DSG could have done free.

 

Any record of it like a sticker in the Spare Tyre well.

The muppet at the dealership that said leave the Oil Change until 40,000 miles probably knows nothing about that, or checked.

 

It can be outstanding and not show here.

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

 

'34H5'

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/422718-rapid-recall-dsg

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/425424-2017-another-dq200-7-speed-dsg-service-campaign

 

 

 

Edited 1 January, 20233 yr by toot

2 minutes ago, toot said:

There is no servicing of a DQ200 7 Speed DSG, at 40,000 miles, 4 years or anytime.  That is the official Schedule.   

(2009-2012 ones had a Recall / Service Campaign where the oil was changed, 34F7, they changed the synthetic for mineral and did a software update.)

 

????

So since your DQ200 DSG is from 2013-2015, the question is.  Was the Service Campaign '34H5' required, Started in 2017.?

This is a Software Update that your DSG could have done free.

 

Any record of it like a sticker in the Spare Tyre well.

The muppet at the dealership that said leave the Oil Change until 40,000 miles probably knows nothing about that, or checked.

 

It can be outstanding and not show here.

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

 

Thank you toot. As I only have limited and mainly recent history I'll look into that. I bought it from an independent dealer. Skoda would only tell me about any other previous history they had once I had the V5 which I now have. Fortunately I have driven it quite a bit now and there are no obvious issues with the gearbox or anything else. 

That was SKODA SECRET SERVICE at their best.  DATA Protection, need to know, lose lips cost lifes sh!te.

 

They can cost lives by being clueless and come away with nonsense about protecting previous owners or employees names etc.

 

It is a Service and Warranty record and pretty important to people owning and driving cars and working on or maintaining them to be safe. 

 

They did away with Service Books and put stuff online.   a person on a V5 in the UK is the Registered Keeper and not necessarily the owner.

They need to be more helpful, but then the Customer Services can be anyplace in the World and Skoda seem to forget ' Corporate Responsibility.

 

My New Year rant.    They are muppets. 

Edited 1 January, 20233 yr by toot

The Recall Information Service is "temporarily unavailable" so plan B - the phone next week!

 

In fairness, my contacts with Skoda Parts Direct, Caffyns (re parts) and Marshalls in Croydon have been pretty good so far in terms of basic things like communication, returning calls as promised, delivery updates etc. I've only made one service related contact so far which was the call about DSG service......we will see.

 

If the car has been at a Skoda Main Dealer for services or anything since 2017 any 'outstanding service campaign' work should have been identified and the owner offered to have the work done.

If the DQ200 in your car was one that was requiring the Software Update but never got it, there might have been issues before now. As in a leak. 

 

The Spark Plugs are one thing i would want changed even with low miles, but if there is a record of them done then fine.

Pollen filter checked or replaced, same with the Air Filter, and brake fluid.

Lots is about location, location, location and use etc.

Miles and years for servicing and maintenance shown on a Manufacturers / Importers chart can be misleading. 

Than you again toot. Spark Plugs were done 3 years ago. I've just done air filter, pollen filter, oil and oil filter as the recent service invoices were insufficiently detailed (local mechanic, hand written, summary level only).

 

Brake fluid - no record of that so unless I can trace a record of one then I will have that done - although fluid very clear, pedal hard and consistent etc, no pulling to one side or the other - disks barely worn (eg. no lip) - but I'd rather be safe than sorry. 

 

Cosmetically and in every other way (on the face of it) the car is immaculate and I don't say that lightly.

A mechanic should have a tester to check the H20 content.  Brake fluid is hygroscopic. 

  The fluid overheats, or actually the water in it does. Many cars never get the fluid checked or changed. All is well until it is not...

You can buy a tester or kit. 

Yes - thanks. I cooked some brake fluid once on a track day in a 309Gti (in theory it had been filled with high temperature fluid and DS2500 pads - so I had been told) - it was an interesting experience - fortunately it was on an old airfield with plenty of run off! I had been driving quite enthusiastically 😁 

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

Personally if I was keeping the car I would change the oil at 8 or 10 years or perhaps 12 years but not never.  VW have already had to change their minds on what oil and software is needed and oil and its additives don't last forever.   And what sort of 'synthetic' oil is better replaced with 'mineral' how badly wrong did the 'German engineering quality' engineers, designers, suppliers, manufacturers, management get this gearbox, software and oil specification and why.

 

I used to do thorough oil changes, and use better oils, on gearboxes and axles (on very old cars) as a matter of prevention and improvement rather than absolute need because the change had been left too late, this despite for decades being told I was wasting my time and money, particular by engineers.  I don't want things just working I prefer that they work well and much more importantly that they work reliably and don't require any work at inconvenient times.  I've had enough of that to last me three lifetimes.

 

Different gearbox entirely I know but I changed the oil of the 5-speed manual gearbox on my wife's 2015 Fabia at about 5.5 years old and 38k-miles because the weather was OK, my back wasn't playing up at the time (thanks VW stupid wheel bolts instead of studs) and the oil was on special half price offer at the time.  My wife said she could notice a difference, placebo perhaps but it certainly wasn't just to please or agree with me as we've been together far too many decades for that sort of falsity over lumps of metal.

 

Edited 1 January, 20233 yr by nta16
ETA: Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

@nta16it was the Synthetic oil that had a sulphur build up and which was causing internal corrosion.

Then software that with the oil change was causing overheating and pressure and failures. 

But VW group have soldiered on and made no changes to Servicing advice or schedules, or done the sort of upgrades that commercial companies can provide for those that VW group treat like trash. 

 

The lady who died was driving a petrol manual i think it turned out and not a diesel DSG. 

There were diesel issues with failures and DSG's with failures, but it all get confused. VW never accept anything until courts or governments make them. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 1 January, 20233 yr by toot

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

Typical oil companies, fancy tricking a honourable company like VAG and bringing the German engineering quality into the slightest possible area of doubt by sneaking sulphur into gear oil without informing them of its presence, no wonder it took 12 years to discover and no wonder VAG insist on the way they specify the oils for their vehicles.  Tut, :shakeshead:. 

 

Well I've never seen such libel, that ECU Testing suggestion that they'll replace VAG components parts with their own re-engineered solutions with an unlimited mileage lifetime warranty because VAG new replacement part will be the same as the one that broke and one get 12 months on it.  Tut, :shakeshead:.

 

VAG Messatronics, that's the word I couldn't think of. 😁

 

It takes a long time to lose a bad reputation but much longer to lose an underserved good reputation especially when you throw in customers' brand loyalty with perhaps added marque snobbery and customer ego, (some Skoda even) VW, Audi, SEAT(?), Porsche, Bentley (perhaps even Lambo for those that can't really afford them), BMW, Mercedes.  Seems to be a grouping and sub-grouping but I can't think of how.  BMW and Merc owners of old particularly told all how good their vehicles were kinda help keep the resales value up when they wanted to sell them.  I well remember a local BMW owner that had loads of engine problems changing his 5 year old BMW for a 10 year old Lexus as a stop-gap and couldn't believe how good it was so was then prepared to say how poorly the BMW compared against it. 😄

 

Most brands have lots of faults (some more than others) but you'd never know it from the reputation (most) manufactures and many vehicle owners give them or defend them.

 

I don't worry about putting this and scaring the OP, RickW an A40 owner (show or race?) but some might be new news to NeilMH(?).

 

I well remember when someone in our club brought the Audi TT when it first came out, a voyage of discovery for him and Audi he only saw his car for a matter of weeks for the first 18 months while they tried to sort out the model, he insisted on his courtesy car being a TT which caused the Dealership all sorts of problems each time the sold car went back to Audi but the ground rules had been set at the very beginning so were more difficult for the Dealership to wriggle out all the subsequent times, new Audi owners often held more "prestigious positions" back in them days and knew all the long words to get what they wanted. 🤣