Hi, new member here! (although I have been browsing for the best part of 2 years)

 

We just purchased a used 2020 Superb Scout 4x4, 190 DSG in January. Only 25000km on it when we bought it (= out of warranty), 33k now 2 months later. In these 2 months I have always found the rear suspension to be quite soft and bouncy, much more so than the "regular" 2016 Superb we had before. There would be a noticeable "wave", like down into the hole, up, then down again when crossing a low spot.

Today my wife told me that she noticed the typical "clunk" of a shot shock coming from the rear right. In a way that would explain the soft rear, but dammit, how can a shock go bad in 33000 kms?? My understanding is that the previous owner was an older couple, so hardly rally-driven!

This brings a few questions:

- is the softness typical of the Scout suspension?

- is there a reason why the shocks would go bad so soon?

- if the Scout suspension is indeed that soft, is there a stiffer upgrade available? The Bilstein website doesnt seem to list the Scout specifically, and it's overall quite confusing.

- we dont have the adaptive suspension, are the shocks the same as a regular Superb, or specific to the Scout? 

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Pat in Finland

 

What OEM part number are your rear springs?

 

One Superb MK3 estate owner who had a soft rear end simply fitted new standard rear springs and found that their rear end was much improved. So maybe Skoda have been fitting poor quality rear springs that sag over a short space of time.

 

Having build code UC7 would mean that you have increased ride height rear springs which should be in the list below. If you also have build code 0YF, that would mean that you had rear springs with OEM part number 3Q0511115AS.

 

Skoda Superb MK3 4x4 increased ride height rear springs UC7

 

1	3Q0511115BG	Coil spring		2	PR-UC7+0YA
1	3Q0511115AN	Coil spring		2	PR-UC7+0YB
1	3Q0511115AP	Coil spring		2	PR-UC7+0YC
1	3Q0511115AQ	Coil spring		2	PR-UC7+0YD
1	3Q0511115AR	Coil spring		2	PR-UC7+0YE
1	3Q0511115AS	Coil spring		2	PR-UC7+0YF
1	3Q0511115AT	Coil spring		2	PR-UC7+0YG
1	3Q0511115BA	Coil spring		2	PR-UC7+0YH
1	3Q0511115BB	Coil spring		2	PR-UC7+0YJ
1	3Q0511115BE	Coil spring		2	PR-UC7+0YK

Thanks a lot for the info!

If I understand correctly, the build codes are in the car, so I'll have to wait for my wife to get back. And maybe for the weather to warm up too, it's -20c here... 
The Scout certainly has the increased ride height. 

I'll keep you posted.

6 hours ago, Carlston said:

Skoda have been fitting poor quality rear springs that sag over a short space of time.

yes, dropped ~20mm down just after 3 years and also were too soft from the first day

@PatFinland

by browse whole this tread, you will notice,
there isn't complete formula - just calculations will help win in lottery of choose optimal springs

-> https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/478335-does-the-sportline-have-stiffer-suspension/page/6/

 

45 minutes ago, PatFinland said:

If I understand correctly, the build codes are in the car, so I'll have to wait for my wife to get back. And maybe for the weather to warm up too, it's -20c here... 
The Scout certainly has the increased ride height.

 

The build codes aren't in the car. They are on the VW database. Every car that leaves the factory will have all of their build codes on the VW database.

 

There are at least two ways to get hold of the build codes.

 

For about 3 Euros, there's an ebay seller that can supply your build codes. Search "skoda vin decoder" on ebay to find the listing.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224631127243

 

For about 7 Euros, you can obtain your build codes from "skoda erwin". This gives you 1 hour's access, which should be enough time to download the build codes, and you can also download manuals as well.

 

Once you have your build codes (there might be around 180 build codes) you can decode them on "vw codes decoder". You can also use an official Skoda parts catalogue to find parts by reference to the build codes.

 

VW codes decoder

http://igorweb.org/equidec.aspx

 

Skoda parts catalogue (this is not a recommendation for lllparts, it's just to find OEM part numbers)

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda

 

Edited 7 March, 20233 yr by Carlston

Ah! I guess I read something else too quickly. The 3EUR option sounds good, I'll do that.
We replaced the rear springs on the other Superb within the 1.5 year that we had it, it sucks to have to do it again on this one so soon! If I'm gonna spend the money, I might go with aftermarket if there is a significant improvement. Our roads are rough, but I also prefer a firmer ride and less floaty than this one has been.

 

Thanks for the quick help!

14 hours ago, Carlston said:

What OEM part number are your rear springs?

 

One Superb MK3 estate owner who had a soft rear end simply fitted new standard rear springs and found that their rear end was much improved. So maybe Skoda have been fitting poor quality rear springs that sag over a short space of time.

 

Having build code UC7 would mean that you have increased ride height rear springs which should be in the list below. If you also have build code 0YF, that would mean that you had rear springs with OEM part number 3Q0511115AS.

 

Skoda Superb MK3 4x4 increased ride height rear springs UC7

 

1	3Q0511115AT	Coil spring		2	PR-UC7+0YG

 

I got my codes, this is what I have: UC7 + 0YG 👍

 

I found the part number for the stock shock also, although there seems to be a few different ones (FP, FN, or FT at the end of the part number). Time to do a little more research. I like the increased ride height of the Scout for our gravel roads and snowy winters, but I dont care for the soft feeling.

^ just realized I need the FT, PR-UC7.

 

Still looking for a replacement Koni or something else!

Too bad I can't edit my previous posts, so you get live updates!

I can get the Bilstein B4 quite easily up here in Finland. Would the B6 fit also for the Scout? The Bilstein website doesnt differentiate between "regular" 4x4 or Scout, are the shocks identical? Some websites list the equivalent OEM part number, which matches for the B4, but doesnt show for the B6. I'm tempted to go with the B6 if possible. We often have a bunch of crap in the trunk, and I wouldn't mind a stiffer suspension.

 

Thanks!

Check by Passat Allroad

6 hours ago, PatFinland said:

I just realized I need the FT, PR-UC7.

 

3Q0513049FT is the rear shock absorber for the Superb MK3 front wheel drive with increased ride height.

 

3Q0513049GA and 3Q0513049GB are the rear shock absorbers for the Superb MK3 4x4 with increased ride height.

 

For firmer rear springs I would go for 3Q0511115BB, which are two up in the hierarchy compared to the standard 3Q0511115AT.

 

Kilen 4295131 and Lesjofors 4295131 are sold to replace 3C0511115BR, 3Q0511115BA, and 3Q0511115BB and should be the same or close to 3Q0511115BB.

 

Most of the aftermarket rear shock absorbers for the Superb MK3 tend to be the same for both increased ride height and standard ride height, ie. a one size fits all approach. This isn't necessarily a good thing, because they won't necessarily be optimised for increased ride height. However, I suspect Bilstein B6 24-267137 rear shock absorbers would work well on the Superb MK3 4x4 with increased ride height such as the Scout, as it's listed for the VW Passat B8 Alltrack.

 

Edited 7 March, 20233 yr by Carlston

Bilstein B4 19-262727 can replace 3Q0513049HC which is the rear shock absorber for the Passat B8 Alltrack 4x4 with increased ride height, so should work well on the Superb MK3 4x4 with increased ride height.

 

Both the Superb MK3 4x4 with increased ride height and the Passat B8 Alltrack 4x4 with increased ride height have the same or almost the same rear springs, so sharing the same rear shock absorbers would make sense.

 

Edited 8 March, 20233 yr by Carlston

Bilstein B4 19-262727 is sold to replace the following OEM part numbers. However, although 3Q0513049HC is an increased ride height rear shock absorber, most of the others appear to be lowered ride height rear shock absorbers. For this reason, the Bilstein B6 24-267137 is looking like a better match for the 3Q0513049HC increased ride height rear shock absorber.

 

Bilstein B4 19-262727 sold to replace the following OEM part numbers

3Q0513049EQ

3Q0513049FA

3Q0513049FB

3Q0513049FC

3Q0513049FD

3Q0513049FE

3Q0513049FG

3Q0513049FH

3Q0513049HC

 

Edited 8 March, 20233 yr by Carlston

well damn, thank you very much for correcting me (and saving me a few hundreds in the process from ordering the wrong parts) and giving me all the info!

 

I have read both opinions online, what do you think: rears only, or should I do the fronts at the same time? 

 

I'll read some more about the B6 in general. I drove the car today, I only noticed the "clunk" once, so I have some time to decide. Still floaty though.

 

Thanks again!

To begin with, I would just change the rear springs and shock absorbers.

 

If you decided to go for the 3Q0511115BB rear springs, as well as the Kilen/Lesjofors option you also have the option to purchase OEM Skoda springs.

 

However, the Skoda springs will be about twice the price of the Kilen/Lesjofors springs and aren't any better.

 

The only realistic alternative to the Bilstein B6 24-267137 increased ride height rear shock absorbers is probably OEM Skoda increased ride height rear shock absorbers matching 3Q0513049GA or 3Q0513049GB.

 

Most aftermarket shock absorbers are aimed at standard ride height cars and in some cases lowered ride height cars, so you don't have much choice.

 

Many aftermarket shock absorbers will claim that they can replace the 3Q0513049GA or 3Q0513049GB increased ride height rear shock absorbers but as these same shock absorbers are also being sold to replace standard ride height shock absorbers and in some cases lowered ride height shock absorbers, ie. a one size fits all approach. If you use these "one size fits all" aftermarket shock absorbers you are likely to be disappointed with them, as they are unlikely to have a great enough damping effect. This is because the increased ride height cars use stiffer and heavier duty springs, so need shock absorbers that are up to the job.

 

Changing rear springs and rear shock absorbers is a much easier job than changing the front. Perhaps half the amount of time. Hence one reason why I suggest you sort out the rear first. And you may find that the car drives fine without even doing the front.

 

After a few weeks of testing, only then would I consider the front. If the car drives fine, you could even wait until the front shock absorbers start leaking or otherwise need replacing before fitting matching Bilstein B6 front shock absorbers.

 

Edited 8 March, 20233 yr by Carlston

due Bilstein parts shortage in 2021.

i had to install Eibach Pro springs on the rear axle few months earlier than Bilstein B6 DampTronic shocks
that gave me conclusion, the most, 65% of performance improvement, came from stiffer Eibach Pro springs

-> https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/485647-bilstein-b6-dcc-shock-absorbers-available-at-last/page/4/#comment-5697843

 

@MartiniB, i dont think there are many springs available for the Scout, and I'm not looking to lower it, but that's good to know. I was going to do shocks only, maybe shocks + springs is best for a small extra cost.

 

@Carlston, thanks again. I'll go ahead with the B6 + Kilen springs. The only shocks I replaced myself were on my 89 Isuzu, and I had to get a Dremel to cut the top bolt off 😅 I'll get the parts, have a look in the meantime and if I dont feel comfortable, the local shop can certainly do it.

 

 

2 minutes ago, PatFinland said:

I'm not looking to lower it

me too, that were the reason why front axle got springs from Audi Q2 and rear from 4x4 while my previous car were FWD

 

21 minutes ago, PatFinland said:

I'll go ahead with the B6 + Kilen springs.

 

Just so you know, Kilen 4295131 and Lesjofors 4295131 are the same springs, just marketed under different brand names.

 

They are both made in the same factory in Sweden.

 

In the UK, Kilen is sold more widely than Lesjofors.

 

However, in some European countries Lesjofors is sold more widely than Kilen.

 

So just purchase whatever is cheaper.

 

Edited 8 March, 20233 yr by Carlston

well well, the Lesjofors are ordered, 40 EUR cheaper to get them from Ireland than Finland, crazy...

 

The B6 are out of stock everywhere though. The KYB 3448024 is listed as an alternative to the Skoda 3Q0513049GA / GB, so it should work? I remember KYB from my Mitsubishi days back in ~2010, it seemed to be a cheap but decent alternative at the time.

4 hours ago, PatFinland said:

well well, the Lesjofors are ordered, 40 EUR cheaper to get them from Ireland than Finland, crazy...

 

The B6 are out of stock everywhere though. The KYB 3448024 is listed as an alternative to the Skoda 3Q0513049GA / GB, so it should work? I remember KYB from my Mitsubishi days back in ~2010, it seemed to be a cheap but decent alternative at the time.

 

The KYB won't be a good match for the Scout springs.

 

It will be better to keep your current rear shock absorbers, which if still in good condition should work a lot better than the KYB.

 

In the chart below, you can see the huge number of OEM part numbers that the KYB 3448024 rear shock absorbers are sold to replace. Most of these OEM part numbers are not for increased ride height springs. What is happening, is that KYB don't have a good match for the Scout rear shock absorbers, so they are selling standard ride height rear shock absorbers instead.

 

KYB 3448024 rear shock absorbers sold to replace the following OEM part numbers

OE 5Q0513029DQ — VW / SEAT

OE 5Q0513029DP — VW / SEAT

OE 5Q0513029GL — VW / SEAT

OE 5Q0513029EQ — VW / SEAT

OE 5Q0513029EN — VW / SEAT

OE 5Q0513029EM — VW / SEAT

OE 5Q0513029EP — VW / SEAT

OE 5Q0513029FE — VW / SEAT

OE 5QN513049AT — VW / SEAT

OE 5QN513049BA — VW / SEAT

OE 5QN513049BH — VW / SEAT

OE 3Q0513049GF — VW

OE 3Q0513049GE — VW

OE 3Q0513049GG — VW

OE 5Q0513029EH — VW

OE 5Q0513029BQ — VW

OE 3Q0513049FA — VW

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OE 3Q0513049ER — VW

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OE 3Q0513049GL — VW

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OE 5Q0513029JK — VW

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OE 5Q0513029JF — AUDI

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OE 83A513049B — AUDI

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OE 3Q0513049FR — SKODA

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OE 5QF513049AH — SKODA

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OE 5QF513049BG — SKODA

OE 5QF513049BH — SKODA

OE 5WA513029AR — SKODA

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OE 5WA513029AT — SKODA

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OE 5WA513029BG — SKODA

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OE 5WA513029BJ — SKODA

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OE 5WA513029BM — SKODA

OE 5WA513029BN — SKODA

OE 5WA513029BP — SKODA

OE 5WA513029BQ — SKODA

OE 5Q0513029FF — SEAT

OE 5Q0513029FG — SEAT

OE 5Q0513029CT — SEAT

OE 5Q0513029HT — SKODA / SEAT

OE 5WA513029AD — SEAT / CUPRA

OE 5WA513029AE — SEAT / CUPRA

OE L5QD513029G — VW (FAW)

 

Edited 9 March, 20233 yr by Carlston

17 minutes ago, Carlston said:

 

The KYB won't be a good match for the Scout springs.

 

It will be better to keep your current rear shock absorbers, which if still in good condition should work a lot better than the KYB.

 

Ok.

Problem is one of the rears is most likely shot, my wife heard the deadly clunk again, and she remembers a pretty nasty hit on one of the backroads a few weeks back, which most likely blew the shock right there.

 

The Bilstein appear to be in stock in North America, but not in Europe!

 

ETA: yeah, quite a "coverage" for the KYB! Maybe the B4 then, I'll have to check.

 

Editing the edit: the B6 should arrive by late April 😐

Edited 9 March, 20233 yr by PatFinland

32 minutes ago, PatFinland said:

Ok.

Problem is one of the rears is most likely shot, my wife heard the deadly clunk again, and she remembers a pretty nasty hit on one of the backroads a few weeks back, which most likely blew the shock right there.

 

The Bilstein appear to be in stock in North America, but not in Europe!

 

ETA: yeah, quite a "coverage" for the KYB! Maybe the B4 then, I'll have to check.

 

The Sachs rear shock absorbers make no mention of the VW Passat B8 Alltrack, so are unlikely to be a good match.

 

KYB do list the VW Passat B8 Alltrack, but I suspect Sachs are simply being more honest than KYB.

 

I think you will have similar problems with most of the other aftermarket rear shock absorbers, ie. not a close match.

 

What about new Skoda rear shock absorbers?

 

The Bilstein B6 are expensive, so maybe there won't be much difference in price.

 

If you did go for OEM Skoda rear shock absorbers, you wouldn't have to do the front as it will already match the Skoda rear shock absorbers.

 

If cost is important then maybe try the KYB, but you may find that the damping is a little on the weak side for the heavy and powerful Scout springs especially now that you are going for increased stiffness rear springs.

 

Edited 9 March, 20233 yr by Carlston

Cost is not a huge concern, I won't drop 1600 EUR on a set of coilovers, but I can afford the Bilstein for example.

 

Thanks for all your help, I'll check the B4 you had mentioned first (might even be better for my wife, she likes the "floaty" feeling apparently). If not I'll call the local Skoda dealer.

 

👍

B4 are ordered 👍I never had Bilstein on my cars, always thought it was a cool brand, better late than never.

 

Everything should be here by next week. I'll be back then for some feedback for the next Scout owners!