7 hours ago, MICKSVRS said:

Eibach springs plus spacers. 

crazy low

interesting, how this will look with passengers?

and what exact specs:

engine? i can guess it's not 280ps

DCC, no?

part numbers of OE springs?

part number of Eibach Pro springs?

 

still searching for Eibach Pro stiffness with zero lowering for my next 280ps AWD

for current 220ps FWD have found

Eibach Pro F11-85-043-02-FA front (from weightier Audi Q2)
Eibach Pro F11-79-008-01-HA rear (from weightier Superb 4x4)
-> https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/485647-bilstein-b6-dcc-shock-absorbers-available-at-last/?do=findComment&comment=5625462

 

 

empty car:

 

with four passengers, without pilot:

 

standard springs after 4 years:

On 08/08/2022 at 22:16, Carlston said:

The 5Q0411105GM front spring is listed for the Superb MK3 2.0TDI 190PS FWD

 

The 5Q0411105GN front spring is listed for the Superb MK3 2.0TDI 190PS 4x4

 

From the specification below, 5Q0411105GM is about 5% softer than the 5Q0411105GN and is 3mm shorter in uncompressed length. However, if you fitted it to your 4x4 it would lower the unladen front ride height by about 6mm because the softer spring compresses more under the weight of the vehicle.

 

Notice in the photos below that both springs have about the same number of coil turns, ie. about 4.6 coil turns. This is important to check when comparing the stiffness of two different springs because more coil turns will make the spring softer with all other things being equal.

 

Specification of 5Q0411105GM according to gknautomotive.com

Spring Design	Coil spring with constant wire diameter
Fitting Position	Front Axle
Colour Coding	Blue, Grey
Wire Diameter	12.25 mm
Length	315 mm
Outer diameter	146 mm
Weight	1.7 kg

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/cars/part/1/87622/detail?targetId=115168&typeNumber=115168&groups=188#@brc/brands:Car;targetType:cars/assem:SKODA%20SUPERB%20III%20Estate%20(3V5)%202.0%20TDI;targetType:cars;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168/lnkparts:Coil%20Springs;targetType:cars;assemblyGroupId:100113;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;page:0;groups:188/assignedPartDetail:87622;targetType:cars;brandId:1;articleNo:87622;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;groups:188

 

Specification of 5Q0411105GN according to gknautomotive.com

Spring Design	Coil spring with constant wire diameter
Fitting Position	Front Axle
Colour Coding	Green, White
Wire Diameter	12.5 mm
Length	318 mm
Outer diameter	151 mm
Weight	1.8 kg

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/cars/part/1/87623/detail?targetId=115168&typeNumber=115168&groups=188#@brc/brands:Car;targetType:cars/assem:SKODA%20SUPERB%20III%20Estate%20(3V5)%202.0%20TDI;targetType:cars;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168/lnkparts:Coil%20Springs;targetType:cars;assemblyGroupId:100113;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;page:0;groups:188/assignedPartDetail:87623;targetType:cars;brandId:1;articleNo:87623;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;groups:188

 

Carlston; 

 

Would you know what coil springs would fit in the back of a 2017 MY18 140TDI. Mine have slumped but Skoda wont warranty them (within spec apparently). I have recently fitted a towbar and will be towing a braked trailer up to 2000 kg. Am hopeing not to compromise too much on handling, but it is feeling a bit lose on the front end with towing an empty trailer weighing in at about 350kg.

17 hours ago, pwitty85 said:

Carlston; 

 

Would you know what coil springs would fit in the back of a 2017 MY18 140TDI. Mine have slumped but Skoda wont warranty them (within spec apparently). I have recently fitted a towbar and will be towing a braked trailer up to 2000 kg. Am hopeing not to compromise too much on handling, but it is feeling a bit lose on the front end with towing an empty trailer weighing in at about 350kg.

 

Kilen lists 3Q0511115AK standard ride height rear springs for the Superb MK3 2.0TDI 140kW FWD hatchback/estate.

 

Kilen lists 3Q0511115AL standard ride height rear springs for the Superb MK3 2.0TDI 140kW 4x4 hatchback.

 

Kilen lists 3Q0511115M standard ride height rear springs for the Superb MK3 2.0TDI 140kW 4x4 estate.

 

If you get hold of your car's build codes, you will be able to see what was fitted when the car left the factory.

 

There's an ebay seller who can supply the build codes for about 3 Euros. Search "skoda vin decoder" on ebay.

 

search "skoda vin decoder" on ebay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224631127243

 

For example, build codes 1JA+0YC would mean that you have 3Q0511115AK rear springs as shown in the chart below.

 

You might find that your car has around 180 build codes, but the exact number varies from car to car.

 

Once you have your build codes, you can input them into the "vw codes decoder" to find out what they all mean.

 

"vw codes decoder"

http://igorweb.org/equidec.aspx

 

Superb MK3 standard ride height rear springs

1	3Q0511115AH	Coil spring		2	PR-1JA+0YA
1	3Q0511115AJ	Coil spring		2	PR-1JA+0YB
1	3Q0511115AK	Coil spring		2	PR-1JA+0YC
1	3Q0511115AL	Coil spring		2	PR-1JA+0YD
1	3Q0511115M	Coil spring		2	PR-1JA+0YE
1	3Q0511115N	Coil spring		2	PR-1JA+0YF
1	3Q0511115P	Coil spring		2	PR-1JA+0YG
1	3Q0511115Q	Coil spring		2	PR-1JA+0YH
1	3Q0511115R	Coil spring		2	PR-1JA+0YJ
1	3Q0511115BC	Coil spring		2	PR-1JA+0YK

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda/CZ/SUP/851/5/511/511000

 

Edited 19 November, 20223 yr by Carlston

Ok so I just received my new Eibachs so thought I’d measure OEM height before new spring install to compare. I have a superb 4*4 Sportline with DCC. OEM height from road to top of wheel arch is 700mm on all wheels apart from my rear passenger side (left hand side as I’m in Oz). This side measures 695mm. I triple checked it. Any reason why it would be 5mm lower?

2 hours ago, Donweather said:

Ok so I just received my new Eibachs so thought I’d measure OEM height before new spring install to compare. I have a superb 4*4 Sportline with DCC. OEM height from road to top of wheel arch is 700mm on all wheels apart from my rear passenger side (left hand side as I’m in Oz). This side measures 695mm. I triple checked it. Any reason why it would be 5mm lower?

Springs sag at different rates. a few mm here and there in the suspension normally results in some variance. Could be a range of things but it's not uncommon.

 

Very keen to see how much drop you get front and back. What year is your car?

Edited 22 November, 20223 yr by Frankenfurter

9 hours ago, Donweather said:

Ok so I just received my new Eibachs so thought I’d measure OEM height before new spring install to compare. I have a superb 4*4 Sportline with DCC. OEM height from road to top of wheel arch is 700mm on all wheels apart from my rear passenger side (left hand side as I’m in Oz). This side measures 695mm. I triple checked it. Any reason why it would be 5mm lower?

 

VAG springs can vary by more than 5mm even when they are new. Different batches, different OEM suppliers, different factories, etc.

 

It's better to measure the ride height from the centre of the wheel to the top of the wheel arch, rather than from the road.

 

The road isn't completely flat and tyres wear and the tyre pressures change over time.

 

Some people might even fit different tyre sizes over time.

 

The official ride height measurements will also be taken from the centre of the wheel/hub.

 

Edited 22 November, 20223 yr by Carlston

10 hours ago, Frankenfurter said:

Springs sag at different rates. a few mm here and there in the suspension normally results in some variance. Could be a range of things but it's not uncommon.

 

Very keen to see how much drop you get front and back. What year is your car?

MY21. Only done 34000km

3 hours ago, Carlston said:

 

VAG springs can vary by more than 5mm even when they are new. Different batches, different OEM suppliers, different factories, etc.

 

It's better to measure the ride height from the centre of the wheel to the top of the wheel arch, rather than from the road.

 

The road isn't completely flat and tyres wear and the tyre pressures change over time.

 

Some people might even fit different tyre sizes over time.

 

The official ride height measurements will also be taken from the centre of the wheel/hub.

 

Measurements were taken in my garage so floor is pretty flat/level. 
 

but I’ll also measure from centre of hub although I find this measurement even more subjective as you can’t always hold the tape perfectly in the centre of the hub. 

48 minutes ago, Donweather said:

Measurements were taken in my garage so floor is pretty flat/level. 
 

but I’ll also measure from centre of hub although I find this measurement even more subjective as you can’t always hold the tape perfectly in the centre of the hub. 

 

You could try hooking the end of the metal tape measure to the edge of the rim near the road, then deduct the radius (half the diameter) of the rim.

So new Eibachs are in.  Haven't been able to measure the drop yet as away from my garage where it's relatively flat.  Few noticeable changes:

• gap between arch and top of tyre in the rears looks a lot less than the fronts?  rears almost look recessed into the arch, whilst fronts still appear to have a slight gap (which is fine).
• DCC "Normal" setting I still find a little floaty over bumps at high speed.  But "Sport" is very stiff/firm and a little harsh for our Aussie roads now so I'm in a little quandry now
• Headlights on normal beam less lighting distance, which seems odd given my first dot point above (implies car is lower in the rear than the front)

But I definitely prefer the stance now.  And it's opened my eyes to probably not going so drastic in the rears for my offset on my new rims I'm eyeing off.

BTW - I have a MY21 Sportline Wagon with DCC FYI.

Edited 1 December, 20223 yr by Donweather

4 minutes ago, Donweather said:

So new Eibachs are in.  Haven't been able to measure the drop yet as away from my garage where it's relatively flat.  Few noticeable changes:

• gap between arch and top of tyre in the rears looks a lot less than the fronts?  rears almost look recessed into the arch, whilst fronts still appear to have a slight gap (which is fine).
• DCC "Normal" setting I still find a little floaty over bumps at high speed.  But "Sport" is very stiff/firm and a little harsh for our Aussie roads now so I'm in a little quandry now
• Headlights on normal beam less lighting distance, which seems odd given my first dot point above (implies car is lower in the rear than the front)

But I definitely prefer the stance now.  And it's opened my eyes to probably not going so drastic in the rears for my offset on my new rims I'm eyeing off.

BTW - I have a MY21 Sportline Wagon with DCC FYI.

Did you manage to do the DCC calibration since the install? It will ride like garbage if you haven't.

6 minutes ago, Frankenfurter said:

Did you manage to do the DCC calibration since the install? It will ride like garbage if you haven't.

I didn't personally but the mechanics who installed the new springs said they did the DCC recalibration (I inquired with them multiple times before accepting their quote that they could/would do it).  It rides fine.  Just not a happy medium between normal and sport IMO.

23 minutes ago, Donweather said:

I didn't personally but the mechanics who installed the new springs said they did the DCC recalibration (I inquired with them multiple times before accepting their quote that they could/would do it).  It rides fine.  Just not a happy medium between normal and sport IMO.

 

Yeah ok. Have you had the DCC slider mod done yet? That  transformed the ride in mine. 

Also if you want your rear to sit a little higher you can fit these apparently. Should give you about 6.5mm extra height in the rears. Audi TT rear spring seat 8J0512149.

 

27 minutes ago, Frankenfurter said:

 

Yeah ok. Have you had the DCC slider mod done yet? That  transformed the ride in mine.

Is this a software update by the dealer to get this function?  Also did you have to do anything to your normal headlights to gain back the normal light range distance?  I have the full LED matrix headlights on the sportline.

 

Edit:  Found this:

Unfortunately I don't have access to VCDS etc.

 

Edited 1 December, 20223 yr by Donweather

34 minutes ago, Donweather said:

Is this a software update by the dealer to get this function?  Also did you have to do anything to your normal headlights to gain back the normal light range distance?  I have the full LED matrix headlights on the sportline.

 

Edit:  Found this:

Unfortunately I don't have access to VCDS etc.

 

 

Are you based in Sydney? If so Julian Doyle will do this for you for a small fee. It requires ODIS/VCP. Completely eliminates the bounciness and gives you two settings below soft and above sport. Best mod for the car i've done and i use it daily.

It basically adapts the latest DCC module firmware to our cars and inputs the Arteon or Passat dataset from 2020+, which has much better damping settings.

 

I rode in a Superb 206 with Eibachs and the DCC mod yesterday and it was very comfortable. I've been toying with the idea of Eibachs too.

Edited 1 December, 20223 yr by Frankenfurter
Further info

1 hour ago, Frankenfurter said:

 

Are you based in Sydney? If so Julian Doyle will do this for you for a small fee. It requires ODIS/VCP. Completely eliminates the bounciness and gives you two settings below soft and above sport. Best mod for the car i've done and i use it daily.

It basically adapts the latest DCC module firmware to our cars and inputs the Arteon or Passat dataset from 2020+, which has much better damping settings.

 

I rode in a Superb 206 with Eibachs and the DCC mod yesterday and it was very comfortable. I've been toying with the idea of Eibachs too.

Brisbane unfortunately

38 minutes ago, Donweather said:

Brisbane unfortunately

 

 

Just spoke to Julian. He said to reach out to Darren at German Auto Dynamics. He knows Julian. Julian said he could potentially provide the files and do the work remotely via Darren. I imagine you might need to pay a little extra given there are two professionals required to do it. Alternatively you could do a road trip but the fuel would likely cost more than looping in Darren and Julian to deliver it.

 

Your gateway will need to be a 3Q0 type (instead of 5Q0 type). If it's 5Q0 you'll need to buy the right 3Q0 part (about $200) and also have that installed and updated. Julian could do that in person but it could be too hard to do that remotely too. If your car is 2018+ it's more likely you'll have the 3Q0 gateway already. if you send your vin to Julian he can tell you what you have. I've PM'd you his facebook account.

 

https://germanautodynamics.com.au/ 

 

Edited 1 December, 20223 yr by Frankenfurter
Edit for detail

3 hours ago, Frankenfurter said:

 

 

Just spoke to Julian. He said to reach out to Darren at German Auto Dynamics. He knows Julian. Julian said he could potentially provide the files and do the work remotely via Darren. I imagine you might need to pay a little extra given there are two professionals required to do it. Alternatively you could do a road trip but the fuel would likely cost more than looping in Darren and Julian to deliver it.

 

Your gateway will need to be a 3Q0 type (instead of 5Q0 type). If it's 5Q0 you'll need to buy the right 3Q0 part (about $200) and also have that installed and updated. Julian could do that in person but it could be too hard to do that remotely too. If your car is 2018+ it's more likely you'll have the 3Q0 gateway already. if you send your vin to Julian he can tell you what you have. I've PM'd you his facebook account.

 

https://germanautodynamics.com.au/ 

 

Thanks.  It was German Auto who installed the springs.  And my car is MY21 so I'd say the later.  Thanks I'll send Julian my VIN

15 hours ago, Donweather said:

So new Eibachs are in.  Haven't been able to measure the drop yet as away from my garage where it's relatively flat.  Few noticeable changes:

• gap between arch and top of tyre in the rears looks a lot less than the fronts?  rears almost look recessed into the arch, whilst fronts still appear to have a slight gap (which is fine).
• DCC "Normal" setting I still find a little floaty over bumps at high speed.  But "Sport" is very stiff/firm and a little harsh for our Aussie roads now so I'm in a little quandry now
• Headlights on normal beam less lighting distance, which seems odd given my first dot point above (implies car is lower in the rear than the front)

But I definitely prefer the stance now.  And it's opened my eyes to probably not going so drastic in the rears for my offset on my new rims I'm eyeing off.

BTW - I have a MY21 Sportline Wagon with DCC FYI.

 

Which Eibach rear springs are you using?

 

If it's Eibach F11-15-007-04-HA then changing to Eibach F11-85-012-01-HA should increase the rear ride height by about 12mm. Apart from the length, the specification of these two springs appears to be the same as shown below.

 

Eibach F11-15-007-04-HA rear Pro-Kit springs

Length: 303mm

Number of coils: 8.0

Wire Diameter: 13.5mm

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/eibach/7518506?

 

Eibach F11-85-012-01-HA rear Pro-Kit springs

Length: 315mm

Number of coils: 8.0

Wire Diameter 13.5mm

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/eibach/7431443?

 

 

20 hours ago, Donweather said:

So new Eibachs are in.  Haven't been able to measure the drop yet as away from my garage where it's relatively flat.  Few noticeable changes:

• gap between arch and top of tyre in the rears looks a lot less than the fronts?  rears almost look recessed into the arch, whilst fronts still appear to have a slight gap (which is fine).
• DCC "Normal" setting I still find a little floaty over bumps at high speed.  But "Sport" is very stiff/firm and a little harsh for our Aussie roads now so I'm in a little quandry now
• Headlights on normal beam less lighting distance, which seems odd given my first dot point above (implies car is lower in the rear than the front)

But I definitely prefer the stance now.  And it's opened my eyes to probably not going so drastic in the rears for my offset on my new rims I'm eyeing off.

BTW - I have a MY21 Sportline Wagon with DCC FYI.

 

 

Do you happen to have a photo of how this looks and the model of the springs you installed? I have the opposite issue and rear is much higher than the front. Eibach have confirmed this is normal though after providing the measurements from hub to arch.

 

For reference, the springs I have are: E10-79-012-04-22

 

  

20 minutes ago, CRB123 said:

 

 

 

Do you happen to have a photo of how this looks and the model of the springs you installed? I have the opposite issue and rear is much higher than the front. Eibach have confirmed this is normal though after providing the measurements from hub to arch.

 

For reference, the springs I have are: E10-79-012-04-22

 

  

I don’t have a photo yet as it’s been torrential rain from the day I got them installed. I’ll see what I can do once the rain goes away. Will also take some measurements once my car is back in my garage next week. 
 

yes I got the E10-79-012-04-22. Yours is a Sportline wagon?

 

what are your measurements from hub to arch?  Has your headlight distance been affected?

Edited 2 December, 20223 yr by Donweather

1 hour ago, CRB123 said:

Do you happen to have a photo of how this looks and the model of the springs you installed? I have the opposite issue and rear is much higher than the front. Eibach have confirmed this is normal though after providing the measurements from hub to arch.

 

For reference, the springs I have are: E10-79-012-04-22

 

According to eibach.de the E10-79-012-04-22 kit has the following rear springs:

 

Eibach F11-79-008-01-HA Pro-Kit rear springs

Length: 327mm

Wire Diameter: 13.75mm

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/eibach/7518932?search=EIBACH Coil Spring (F11-79-008-01-HA)

 

Eibach online spring catalogue

https://web2.carparts-cat.com/default.aspx?11=279&14=4&1115=1&1281=17=0&10=E49EFADE6E4E41D9A67E8C79E22375BF279004&12=100

 

Edited 2 December, 20223 yr by Carlston

1 hour ago, Donweather said:

I don’t have a photo yet as it’s been torrential rain from the day I got them installed. I’ll see what I can do once the rain goes away. Will also take some measurements once my car is back in my garage next week. 
 

yes I got the E10-79-012-04-22. Yours is a Sportline wagon?

 

what are your measurements from hub to arch?  Has your headlight distance been affected?

 

Mine is a Sportline hatch but according to Eibach they are compatible with both. With yours being a wagon, that might account for why the rear sits lower. The additional weight might be pushing it down a bit.

 

Measurements were 350mm front and 356mm rear. Unfortunately, I don't do much night driving so couldn't tell you if there was any range difference. Haven't noticed anything significant though.

2 hours ago, CRB123 said:

 

Mine is a Sportline hatch but according to Eibach they are compatible with both. With yours being a wagon, that might account for why the rear sits lower. The additional weight might be pushing it down a bit.

 

Measurements were 350mm front and 356mm rear. Unfortunately, I don't do much night driving so couldn't tell you if there was any range difference. Haven't noticed anything significant though.

 

If yours is a FWD hatch and not a 4x4 hatch, you've got the wrong rear springs...at least according to the engine variant that I looked at. And being rear springs they generally vary according to whether it's either hatch or wagon and either FWD or 4x4...and not so much the engine/transmission variant although there may be exceptions.

 

Eibach list the 303mm rear springs with part number F11-15-007-04-HA for the FWD hatch, not the much longer 327mm rear springs with part number F11-79-008-01-HA...which could explain why your rear ride height is too high.

 

Edited 2 December, 20223 yr by Carlston

3 hours ago, CRB123 said:

 

Mine is a Sportline hatch but according to Eibach they are compatible with both. With yours being a wagon, that might account for why the rear sits lower. The additional weight might be pushing it down a bit.

 

Measurements were 350mm front and 356mm rear. Unfortunately, I don't do much night driving so couldn't tell you if there was any range difference. Haven't noticed anything significant though.

I could have sworn there was different rear springs for a hatch vs wagon to account for the issue the wagon would likely have more loaded weight.  Let me check what I have from Eibach.

 

I checked my parts before they were installed:

 

Eibach F11-79-012-04-22 Pro-Kit

Rear springs F11-79-008-01-HA

Front Springs F11-85-042-03-FA

 

The Eibach information I have doesn't distinguish between wagon or estate in the above, but I do note from the information I have that if your's isn't the 4*4 then you should have E10-79-012-03-22 (which has rears F11-79-008-01-HA and fronts F11-85-041-01-VA which are different).

 

Here's a pic of mine.  If you look closely you can see the gap in the wheel arch from the top of the tyre is less in the rear that the front.  It's a little harder to see the full gap due to the shadow, but you can see some difference.

 

 

 

Edited 2 December, 20223 yr by Donweather