Tesla Bjorn is currently doing a 1000 km (600 miles) drive in a first-gen Nissan Leaf. It is the original 10 years old Japanese built version but with seats from later minor refresh Sunderland built car.

 

 

 

It's looking like going to take around 20 hours. 🤣  over 20 charging stops.

Who is going to watch a 9.5 hour and counting video?

 

I did flick through it and watched one charging stop again flicking through, it took 40 minutes!!!!!!!!!! 🤯 during which time the video showed him eating his meal and then carried on filming while he was on the toilet, yuk! It had a very dirty floor.

 

20 recharging stops to do 1000 kms, if they all take as long as that (and I'm not watching any more to see) then he will have spent 2/3 of the time charging and 1/3 driving, hardly a good advert for EV's is it!

 

I have been driving VAG diesel vehicles for the last 20 years, every single one of them has done 1000kms on one tank of fuel, thats one refuelling stop and not 20.

 

How much did his credit card get hammered for the 20 recharges? And did he eat a meal or snacks every time?

Me.

Skipping through it while sitting charging an EV. 

30 pack of crisps in boot and 24 pack of diet coke & ticktacs & pan drops in the car & they last a few weeks, or a a few thousand miles, £2,20, £7.50, £2.

and i very seldom buying any food at charging stations (because there are no shops at cheap charging other than maybe supermarkets or if near a high street / town centre in Scotland, or vending machines at a park and ride in ticket offices / toilets happen to be open, which is rare late night, during the night, and much of the time.) and it is a case of going to hide behind a tree and many charger locations to get a pee.

 

600 miles when you can get 100 miles or more from a charge might mean 5 charges if you start off with a full charge, then a 6th to charge up again.

Average 50 mph, and 5 charges of 60 minutes or less. 17 hours. 

Maybe @ 35 pence a kwh & 3.5 miles a kWh £60.

 

600 miles @ 42 mpg average & 142 pence a litre cost me £92.

65 litres / 14.3 gallons approx.

 

It is nice to get a move on in an ICE vehicle and just fill up, but i miss the time sitting charging and the banter, 

and the 5 hours or less charging can mean i have £30 still in my pocket. 

More if i drive a more efficient ICE or drive more efficiently,

but then if i drive a more efficient EV that can cost less.  It has cost me less because i did lots of charging free and at less than 35 pence kWh. (those days have gone.)

50 pence - 80 pence per kWh makes the EV driving damn expensive though and does not actually mean you get a faster charge time / more powerful chargers.

Edited 14 July, 20232 yr by toot

10 hours ago, J.R. said:

20 recharging stops to do 1000 kms, if they all take as long as that (and I'm not watching any more to see) then he will have spent 2/3 of the time charging and 1/3 driving, hardly a good advert for EV's is it!

Haha, no one is expecting you to watch it all. to be honest, I don't watch half the videos posted here. I was amazed he did this 1000 km challenge in first-gen Leaf. The vehicle is very first generation affordable EV with a tiny battery for local use.

 

The video in OP is the live stream, hence 10 hours. There will be more watchable edited version in a few days.

 

From what I've seen, it's about 40min driving and 20min charging.

Today's EV are about 3-4 hours driving, 20-40 min charging, depend on charger.

 

It shows how far we've come. If you want to see a proper EV doing this challenge:

 

There is just 5min difference winter vs summer. Over 1000km, only 50min more than fossil fuelled PHEV as reference:

 

 

Edited 14 July, 20232 yr by wyx087

If you include the 25 minute food break in the Ceed test, the next 9 cars in the list are faster. After all, humans need re-fuelling too and in an EV that happens simultaneously with fuelling the car. I'm not saying an EV is faster to 1000km but I'm also pointing out an ICE car is not faster either. I'm saying EVs have got to the point where for a long drive they are just as quick as a fossil car and all other trips they are just as quick / slow. The limit on ICE long distance travel has long been biological rather range and that is now the case with EVs too.

It is a long time since in Scotland even driving middle of the nights I could do 621 miles in under 9 hours in any 4 wheel vehicle.  There are average speed cameras about on 70, 60, 40, 30 and even 20 mph roads. Speed camera vans anytime and Police officers about.   I regularly did 450 miles a night and that was 6 hours with a few stops of just minutes.  In the Corsa electric that required starting fully charged then 2 or 3 stops of maybe 40 minutes each. Also required luck getting on Rapid charger, it working, charging at the speed it should.  So 450 miles taking near 9 hours, 8 if all went smoothly. 

30 minutes ago, toot said:

Also required luck getting on Rapid charger, it working, charging at the speed it should.

And that's the limiting factor at the moment, availability of a non-hogged and working Rapid Charger.

 

Solve this and many more people will consider the switch from ICE to EV.

1 hour ago, Luckypants said:

If you include the 25 minute food break in the Ceed test, the next 9 cars in the list are faster. After all, humans need re-fuelling too and in an EV that happens simultaneously with fuelling the car. I'm not saying an EV is faster to 1000km but I'm also pointing out an ICE car is not faster either. I'm saying EVs have got to the point where for a long drive they are just as quick as a fossil car and all other trips they are just as quick / slow. The limit on ICE long distance travel has long been biological rather range and that is now the case with EVs too.

I THINK the petrol powered PHEV reference includes food, or at least stopping to refuel petrol followed by parking it up and running in to buy something to eat whilst driving in the next leg. But in the real world, most people wouldn't do it in such hurry in order to achieve 111 km/h average speed including breaks.

 

11 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

And that's the limiting factor at the moment, availability of a non-hogged and working Rapid Charger.

 

Solve this and many more people will consider the switch from ICE to EV.

Oh yes, totally agree. For UK, as toot said, getting on rapid chargers seems to be main problem these days.

 

Driving overnight seems to be the best strategy. Not only few traffic, and no queues for the limited rapid charging infrastructure, it also means much cheaper rates at some chargers like Tesla supercharger.

11 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

I THINK the petrol powered PHEV reference includes food, or at least stopping to refuel petrol followed by parking it up and running in to buy something to eat whilst driving in the next leg. But in the real world, most people wouldn't do it in such hurry in order to achieve 111 km/h average speed including breaks.

I was referring to the comment "25 min food break removed" in the spreadsheet you screen shotted. On his 1000km challenges, total time is used for the EV trip as he eats while charging. There was a lot of debate in his live stream about including the food break in his PHEV 1000km challenge (I wasn't watching that, I'm not quite that sad!) and eventually it was excluded to make it 'fair'. My point was, if you include the biological needs of humans, ICE and EV times for long journeys are pretty much the same and is far more likely to be affected by outside factors such as traffic and weather.

Someplace this week i read about the new EU legislation on chargers and the future.

Probably struggled to read the whole article because of totally sh!te mobile phone reception at the charger station.

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Is this just a problem / issue in Scotland.  Chargers that can not communicate via sim and drivers un-able to get Apps to work or get good enough reception to get through to anybody at CPS, BP or others.

Infrastructure is crap basically and obviously politicians and others seem totally oblivious of the issues.   They should all have to travel by EV if going by road and with a vehicle costing below £36,000.

 

European Parliament.  So EU, 

because the UK is in 'Europe', just not the EU.

http://electrek.co/2023/07/11/europe-passes-two-big-laws-to-make-ev-charging-a-whole-lot-better

 

UK.

http://transportandenergy.com/2023/07/11/public-charge-point-regulations-set-out-future-of-ev-charging

 

The UK has a problem.

TESLA driving Grant Shapps MP /  Secretary of state for Energy  etc etc etc,  Solar from space mirrors....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 14 July, 20232 yr by toot

This is the new government legislation on charging. If it goes through, things are set to improve.

 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2023/9780348249873

This thread reminded me of the Top Gear episode where Clarkson filled up a Diesel MB in London, drove to Edinburgh and back to the same filling station without refuelling.  And IIRC, being Clarkson, he got bored at doing economical speeds, and floored it a few times.

and of course, being the mighty Clarkson he didn't stop at all for a pee, a drink, food, stretch legs or just a rest. Obviously he then turned around immediately on getting to Edinburgh to drive back again without doing something there (work, dinner, sleep?).

Real world UK.  Much cheapness.  

Not great range, but not everyone needs lots of range, or just deals with what things have.

 

 

 

Well, he's doing 1000km in a bus now:

https://youtu.be/AVnL3k99BOc