Ordering a 17" Stratos wheel for MKIII Superb: which size is standard?

[Amberberry]

Hello!

 

I want to buy a spare wheel, which is full size (space saver wheels seem quite impractical to me.)

 

I know that my current wheels are 17" Stratos. However, when I look at the parts and accessories pdf leaflets on the Skoda websites, I've found two slightly different variants:

 

7.0J x 17" ET40 for 215/55 R17 tyres.

 

6.5J x 17" ET 41 for 215/55 R17 tyres.

 

I'm a tad confused. Without taking off one of my wheels, to check which size I have, does anyone know which type is most likely factory fitted on the MKIII Skoda Superb 2017 hatchbacks, please? 

 

I'd like to avoid having to take a wheel off to check, and I wasn't successful with my attempt to take a photo from behind the wheel.

 

(Also the product code for each is the same, which seems odd to me?

Stratos 3V0 071 497D 8Z8)

 

Thanks for your time.

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 August, 2023 by Amberberry

[Amberberry]

Also, does anyone know where to find a price list please? The accessories pdf leaflets lack any pricing details.

[Breezy_Pete]

Message me with your VIN, and I can probably assist.

[Carlston]

17" Stratos alloy rims for the Superb MK3 have a specification of 7Jx17 ET40 5/112 57.1 which you can see on the below link.

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-stratos-17-superb-iii/p/3V0071497D+8Z8

 

If you are looking for a full size spare wheel, 215/55R17 fitted to a 7J rim won't fit flush in the spare wheel well without lifting the carpet.

 

Perhaps look at 215/60R16 fitted to a 6Jx16 ET43 5/112 57.1 steel rim from the Karoq. This has an actual inflated width of about 215mm, which is about as wide as you can go without lifting the carpet.

 

For comparison, a 215/55R17 fitted to a 7J rim has an actual inflated width of about 226mm. Notice that the "215" in 215/55R17 is just the nominal width. The actual inflated tyre width always depends on the rim width to which it is fitted. If you fitted a 215/55R17 to a 6.5J rim it would have an actual inflated width of about 220mm, and if you fitted a 215/55R17 to a 6J rim it would have an actual inflated width of about 214mm. 

 

Alcar 6665 6Jx16 ET43 5/112 57.1 steel rim (from Karoq)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=1388704626380403824&rimCode=ALCAR6665

 

Bear in mind, that a 16" rim won't clear the 340x30mm front brake discs that are fitted on the powerful Superb MK3 272HP/280HP 4x4 cars. These cars need at least a 17" rim to fit on the front, although you could fit a 16" spare wheel on the rear and swap the 17"/18"/19" rear wheel to the front.

 

Another option could be a 205/60R17 fitted to a 6.5Jx17 ET38 5/112 57.1 steel rim from the Kodiaq. A 205/60R17 fitted to a 6.5J rim has an actual inflated width of about 215mm. So again, this should fit in the spare wheel well without lifting the carpet.

 

Bear in mind that the spare wheel well on the 4x4 models, might be smaller than the spare wheel well on the front wheel drive cars. So this point is worth checking if you have a 4x4.

 

Vredestein Ultrac 205/60R17 97W XL (Euro label A A 70dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m54b0s13422p210571/Vredestein_Tyres_Car_Vredestein_Ultrac_205_60_R17_97W_XL_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_A_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

 

Alcar 9021 6.5Jx17 ET38 5/112 57.1 steel rim (from Kodiaq)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=672860434273997936&rimCode=ALCAR9021

 

One other 16" steel rim worth considering, is the 6Jx16 ET40 5/112 57.1 steel rim from the Superb MK1.

 

Alcar 9490 6Jx16 ET40 5/112 57.1 steel rim (from Superb MK1)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=180617324850582640&rimCode=ALCAR9490

 

Edited 16 August, 2023 by Carlston

[Amberberry]

2 hours ago, Breezy_Pete said:

Message me with your VIN, and I can probably assist.

Thank you, I can have a look for the VIN tomorrow and will get back to you.

[Carlston]

Notice that the OEM part number for the below rim has a xxx601xxx format.

 

This is different from the accessory catalogue, which uses a xxx071xxx format.

 

The xxx601xxx format is a factory supplied rim. The rims from the accessory catalogue tend to be a lot cheaper to purchase new, than a factory replacement rim...even though they are sometimes the same rim, except for the OEM part number.

 

Most secondhand rims listed for sale on ebay will have the factory format, as they will have originally been factory fitted to a new car.

 

7Jx17 ET40 5/112 57.1 alloy rim STRATOS (not from the accessory catalogue) 

2	3V0601025C	Aluminium rim	7Jx17 ET40	4	PR-C6U
	3V0601025C 8Z8	Diamond silver			STRATOS

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda/CZ/SUP/851/6/601/601070

 

Edited 16 August, 2023 by Carlston

[Amberberry]

31 minutes ago, Carlston said:

17" Stratos alloy rims for the Superb MK3 have a specification of 7Jx17 ET40 5/112 57.1 which you can see on the below link.

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-stratos-17-superb-iii/p/3V0071497D+8Z8

 

If you are looking for a full size spare wheel, 215/55R17 fitted to a 7J rim won't fit flush in the spare wheel well without lifting the carpet.

 

Perhaps look at 215/60R16 fitted to a 6Jx16 ET43 5/112 57.1 steel rim from the Karoq. This has an actual inflated width of about 215mm, which is about as wide as you can go without lifting the carpet.

 

For comparison, a 215/55R17 fitted to a 7J rim has an actual inflated width of about 226mm. Notice that the "215" in 215/55R17 is just the nominal width. The actual inflated tyre width always depends on the rim width to which it is fitted. If you fitted a 215/55R17 to a 6.5J rim it would have an actual inflated width of about 220mm, and if you fitted a 215/55R17 to a 6J rim it would have an actual inflated width of about 214mm. 

 

Alcar 6665 6Jx16 ET43 5/112 57.1 steel rim (from Karoq)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=1388704626380403824&rimCode=ALCAR6665

 

Bear in mind, that a 16" rim won't clear the 340x30mm front brake discs that are fitted on the powerful Superb MK3 272HP/280HP 4x4 cars. These cars need at least a 17" rim to fit on the front, although you could fit a 16" spare wheel on the rear and swap the 17"/18"/19" rear wheel to the front.

 

Another option could be a 205/60R17 fitted to a 6.5Jx17 ET38 5/112 57.1 steel rim from the Kodiaq.

 

Vredestein Ultrac 205/60R17 97W XL (Euro label A A 70dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m54b0s13422p210571/Vredestein_Tyres_Car_Vredestein_Ultrac_205_60_R17_97W_XL_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_A_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

 

Alcar 9021 6.5Jx17 ET38 5/112 57.1 steel rim (from Kodiaq)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=672860434273997936&rimCode=ALCAR9021

 

 

Thanks for your reply and your suggestions. Would fitting a wheel of a slightly different width to the other 3 wheels affect safety or handling at all, would you know please? 

 

I was thinking that if my spare wheel / tyre matched the set already on the car, that if I get a puncture and I need to change the wheel, i.e. whilst away on holiday, or / and when garages are closed, I could change to the spare and keep driving on it indefinitely with no impending need to switch it back to the original. Whereas perhaps I would still need to change it over if the width was slightly different - I'm unsure of this? I don't think I would mind the carpet being raised a small amount if it doesn't impact significantly on boot capacity.

[Carlston]

23 minutes ago, Amberberry said:

Thanks for your reply and your suggestions. Would fitting a wheel of a slightly different width to the other 3 wheels affect safety or handling at all, would you know please? 

 

If you are using different tyre sizes on the same axle, then you need to treat it as a space saver, ie. limited to 50mph.

 

Maybe you could store a 215/55R17 fitted to a 7Jx17 ET40 rim uninflated.

 

I once stored a punctured tyre (ie. uninflated tyre) in the spare wheel well for over one year, and then got it repaired and it seemed ok. However, I doubt the tyre industry would recommend storing a spare wheel uninflated in the spare wheel well for a long period of time.

 

I suspect storing a spare tyre in the spare wheel well that lifts the carpet could damage something if a heavy load was carried in the boot.

 

I would much rather use a 215/60R16 and 215/55R17 on the same axle, than a 125/70R18 and 215/55R17. Although if I was using a skinny space saver on the Superb MK3, I would use a 135/80R18 rather than the Skoda supplied 125/70R18. This is because the outside diameter of a 125/70R18 is about 5% smaller than the standard tyre sizes on the Superb MK3, whereas the 135/80R18 is a close match to the outside diameter of the standard Superb MK3 tyre sizes.

 

Continental space saver tyre 135/80R18 104M

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m129b0s7672p188874/Continental_Tyres_Temp_Space_Saver_Continental_SContact_Continental_S_Contact_135_80_R18_T_104M_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_XC_Wet_Grip%3A_XC_NoiseClass%3A_XC_Noise%3A_XC

 

Edited 16 August, 2023 by Carlston

[Amberberry]

7 minutes ago, Carlston said:

Notice that the OEM part number for the below rim has a xxx601xxx format.

 

This is different from the accessory catalogue, which uses a xxx071xxx format.

 

The xxx601xxx format is a factory supplied rim. The rims from the accessory catalogue tend to be a lot cheaper to purchase new, than a factory replacement rim...even though they are sometimes the same rim, except for the OEM part number.

 

Most secondhand rims listed for sale on ebay will have the factory format, as they will have originally been factory fitted to a new car.

 

7Jx17 ET40 5/112 57.1 alloy rim STRATOS (not from the accessory catalogue) 

2	3V0601025C	Aluminium rim	7Jx17 ET40	4	PR-C6U
	3V0601025C 8Z8	Diamond silver			STRATOS

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda/CZ/SUP/851/6/601/601070

 

Interesting, so I could potentially contact Skoda.co.uk and ask them for a quote on both part numbers to see which they can supply cheaper? 

 

Maybe a silly question, but from your screen shot above, would it be the second product (3V0601025C 8Z8 Diamond silver STRATOS) which is the equivalent to 3V0071497D 8Z8? And the dimensions are still 7Jx17 ET40, like the line above?

 

I did look on eBay a while back, as these are so expensive new, but I couldn't find anything other than complete sets. 

 

Perhaps I had the wrong search terms though; would I be better looking specifically for "7Jx17 ET40 5/112 57.1" I wonder? I'm so new to this! My old car was basic in comparison, but at least it came with a full size spare wheel!

[Amberberry]

6 minutes ago, Carlston said:

 

If you are using different tyre sizes on the same axle, then you need to treat it as a space saver, ie. limited to 50mph.

 

Maybe you could store a 215/55R17 fitted to a 7Jx17 ET40 rim uninflated.

 

I once stored a punctured tyre (ie. uninflated tyre) in the spare wheel well for over one year, and then got it repaired and it seemed ok. However, I doubt the tyre industry would recommend storing a spare wheel uninflated in the spare wheel well for a long period of time.

 

I suspect storing a spare tyre in the spare wheel well that lifts the carpet could damage something if a heavy load was carried in the boot.

 

I would much rather use a 215/60R16 and 215/55R17 on the same axle, than a 125/70R18 and 215/55R17. Although if I was using a skinny space saver on the Superb MK3, I would use a 135/80R18 rather than the Skoda supplied 125/70R18. This is because the outside diameter of a 125/70R18 is about 5% smaller than the standard tyre sizes on the Superb MK3, whereas the 135/80R18 is a close match to the outside diameter of the standard Superb MK3 tyre sizes.

 

Hmmm that makes me wonder whether a partially inflated tyre would fare okay (compared to a flat tyre) longer term... It's encouraging that your flat was fine after more than a year. 

 

Alternatively, I could perhaps find a way to raise the floor around the fully inflated tyre so that heavy loads don't press down on it. 

[Carlston]

Search for 3V0601025C and 3V0071497D if you are interested in those two rims.

 

8Z8 is the associated 3-digit colour code and means diamond silver. It's not necessary and usually not helpful to use the 3-digit colour code in the search. 3V0601025C and 3V0071497D is specific enough.

 

Edited 16 August, 2023 by Carlston

[Amberberry]

1 minute ago, Carlston said:

Search for 3V0601025C and 3V0071497D if you are interested in those two rims.

 

8Z8 is the associated 3-digit colour code and means diamond silver. It's not necessary and usually not helpful to use the 3-digit colour code in the search.

Brilliant,will do - thanks for all your help, much appreciated 👍

[Carlston]

33 minutes ago, Amberberry said:

Hmmm that makes me wonder whether a partially inflated tyre would fare okay (compared to a flat tyre) longer term... It's encouraging that your flat was fine after more than a year. 

 

Alternatively, I could perhaps find a way to raise the floor around the fully inflated tyre so that heavy loads don't press down on it. 

 

The spare tyre would have to be completely flat, or it would raise the carpet.

 

Some Superb MK3 owners have already found a way to support the floor (by using 20mm thick packing material) so that they could use a 235/45R18 or 235/40R19 spare tyre.

 

See the various previous threads on the subject, as the spare wheel for the Superb MK3 has already been covered extensively.

 

If you are going to use a 215/55R17 fitted to a 7J rim, you would only need 10mm thick packing material.

 

Edited 16 August, 2023 by Carlston

[Amberberry]

Perfect, thank you, I'll have a search of the forums! 🙂

 

Last question before I go:

 

Using the two product codes I managed to find a single listing for the wheel I need, on eBay, at a very good price compared to new.

 

If it's not too much to ask, please could you give your opinion on the wheel / tyre: do these look fit for use, or are they too worn, do you think, please? 

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285431091090?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=K15jswdbTBO&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=s6yyomumth2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=SMS

[SurreyJohn]

I think @Amberberry asked same question about eBay listing in wheels and tyres section, I have already given my views there

[Amberberry]

19 hours ago, Carlston said:

Search for 3V0601025C and 3V0071497D if you are interested in those two rims.

 

8Z8 is the associated 3-digit colour code and means diamond silver. It's not necessary and usually not helpful to use the 3-digit colour code in the search. 3V0601025C and 3V0071497D is specific enough.

 

I just wanted to report back my findings.

 

I emailed Caffynscarparts for a quote using both of the above codes.

 

"I can confirm the rim fitted at factory was 3V0601025C 8Z8 £543.60 inc vat

 

The bare accessory version is 3V0071497D 8Z8 £225.00 inc vat

 

Please note the accessory option will come from Skoda CZ and take at least 2 weeks"

 

What a difference in price!!!

 

Can you tell which I've gone for?!

 

Thanks again for your help. What a brilliant forum.

 

[MartiniB]

@Amberberry

focusing better on tire size instead disc size
-> https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/509471-would-you-take-a-superb-estate-over-passat-estate-if-passat-is-cheaper/#comment-5719561
-> https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/512517-mk3-superb-estate-wheel-kit/?do=findComment&comment=5748425