On 06/09/2023 at 11:12, wyx087 said:

Semi-rated news, Octopus are increasing export tariff, switching people from government SEG 4.1p/kWh to their own tariff that pays 15p/kWh. 

It is available to people on Intelligent Octopus, where overnight off-peak import is 7.5p/kWh. 

https://www.speakev.com/threads/outgoing-octopus-increase-great-news.179902/

https://www.speakev.com/threads/octopus-seg.179905/

 

So import 6 hours x 7kW (42kWh) at 7.5p overnight then export it at 15p. Easy £3.15 profit every day. 

 

May be time for me to upgrade to a 60 kWh Leaf. £1000 per year to help with paying it off, by itself 

(my Leaf V2H install is finally booked in for end of October) 

Add a typical solar battery (Powerwall/libbi/Giv AIO) and you’re probably putting 15kWh in to get 13kW back, plus the car.

 

Not such a summer bonus if you have solar, but very hand for a winter’s day.

 

Trading will only get you 13x15p - 15 x 7.5 p = 82.5p, so not hugely work it.

 

if you had a 60kW leaf with v2g you could do 42kWh (7x6= 42) so about £2.40 a day. Guess it’s a degradation question and a would a solar car port generate you more.

 

Where you have solar and a battery and a car though… suddenly you can charge everything overnight to run off cheaper rate during the day and export all your solar.

I see "Money Saving Expert" now have an EV tariff page.
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/ev-energy-tariffs/

 

Good to see I haven't missed any tariffs on the market.

There's a new EV tariff: 

 

EDF and Podpoint tariff: 5 hr EV charging at 7.4p/kWh.
Requires Podpoint Solo 3
https://pod-point.com/electric-car-news/exclusive-ev-energy-tariff

 

Other changes from my first post: 

• Octopus Go dropped to 9p/kWh (a while ago)
• OVO EV charging dropped to 7p/kWh

 

 

(is there any way to unlock editing of first post to keep the list up to date? )

Another one:

 

Scottish Power EV saver tariff: 5 hr at 8.25p/kWh.

https://www.scottishpower.co.uk/electric-vehicle/tou-tariff

British Gas FreeCharge is free 8000 miles of EV driving for 1 year:
Requires HIVE EV charger.
British Gas offers free EV charging for a year with purchase of Hive EV charger

 

 

Just like gen 1 smart meters, this is getting stupid very quickly. Podpoint exclusive with EDF, Ohme/Zappi with Octopus Intelligent (though car integration makes it less restrictive), now Hive with British Gas.

I do fancy some of this action, but despite having smart charger, I'm not eligible because I don't have the right smart charger.

Do I have to have a line of EV chargers in front of my house to be able to switch to best deals? 🙄

Octopus lecky charges seem to have stayed the same in to 2024.  I had an Octopus Go 2022 tariff of 9p per kWh for 0030 to 0430 and then 29.91 p per kWh the rest of the time which I am happy with.

 

Gas went up 7% or so to 7.35 per kWh so that will add up to a bit more but still very happy with Octopus and probably get a mile in the Zoe for 2.4p per mile as only getting around 3.8 miles per kWh rather than well over 4 miles, nearly 5 miles per kWh in summer.

 

Last year of zero road tax, I presume they will want road tax upon renewal which for me is each September so Sept 2025.

 

Cheap running costs, taxing and servicing, happy days.

Should replace the horrible lead acid battery at the 3 year mark, would like to go lithium as I did with my motorcycle.  Need some new tyres as OEs have done 16k now, only fronts need changing.

 

Two referrals to Octopus done so £100 better off with that plus £10 Octoverse credit given by Octopus and earning of low energy usage during peak times kick back and Octopus Free spins have added about another £10 to my account.  £300 in credit past mid winter so happy days. £125 per month DD.

 

Edited 3 January, 20242 yr by lol-lol

Nice one. Are you participating in "saving sessions"?

 

There's an idea to SORN the car in Feb/Mar, tax it the day after. This would mean 6 more month of free road tax (push from Sep 2025 to Mar 2026).

 

I'm on Intelligent Octopus Go for 7.5p/kWh. Gone from 8p/kWh Economy 7 when I first got my EV back in 2017, to 10p/kWh, I then switched to EV tariff at 6p/kWh with Bulb. Finally, switched to Octopus and it stayed at 7.5p/kWh from fixed 1 yr Go (which helped me escape the crazy energy prices) to current IGO. Despite what people say, off-peak pricing has stayed mostly consistent for me.

 

Done a few referrals, I think 4-6 over the years including with Bulb. Currently £480 in credit for energy and £30 in credit for Electroverse due to a few referral there. Also £125 pm for DD. Reduced from £175 during months heading into winter. I should do the other way around and use left over money from no council tax in Feb/March to pay off winter debts.

On 03/01/2024 at 13:15, wyx087 said:

Nice one. Are you participating in "saving sessions"?

 

There's an idea to SORN the car in Feb/Mar, tax it the day after. This would mean 6 more month of free road tax (push from Sep 2025 to Mar 2026).

 

I'm on Intelligent Octopus Go for 7.5p/kWh. Gone from 8p/kWh Economy 7 when I first got my EV back in 2017, to 10p/kWh, I then switched to EV tariff at 6p/kWh with Bulb. Finally, switched to Octopus and it stayed at 7.5p/kWh from fixed 1 yr Go (which helped me escape the crazy energy prices) to current IGO. Despite what people say, off-peak pricing has stayed mostly consistent for me.

 

Done a few referrals, I think 4-6 over the years including with Bulb. Currently £480 in credit for energy and £30 in credit for Electroverse due to a few referral there. Also £125 pm for DD. Reduced from £175 during months heading into winter. I should do the other way around and use left over money from no council tax in Feb/March to pay off winter debts.

 

Yes I do get involved in the saving sessions.

It compares with "ones normal usage" so difficult to save much if one does not normally use much lecky between say 1700 and 1830. 

But Octopus pay an enhanced rate even if one only saves half a kWh.

They would have had to pay some high rate to use a fill in power, Drax or some standby hydrocarbon station so they prefer to give it to customer making savings than standby stations burning stuff.

Quite a small difference but something and I have yet to get the whole house switched over to batteries for these periods which I will get one of my daughters electrician boyfriends to do at some point.

 

 

 

On 01/11/2023 at 12:04, wyx087 said:

There's a new EV tariff: 

 

EDF and Podpoint tariff: 5 hr EV charging at 7.4p/kWh.
Requires Podpoint Solo 3
https://pod-point.com/electric-car-news/exclusive-ev-energy-tariff

 

Other changes from my first post: 

• Octopus Go dropped to 9p/kWh (a while ago)
• OVO EV charging dropped to 7p/kWh

 

 

(is there any way to unlock editing of first post to keep the list up to date? )

if you’re happy for me to edit the first post, then put an updated post in the thread and PM me with a link/reminder and I’ll do it when next here.

 

Freedom members get the ability to edit their own posts (See the freedom pages for details)

 

 

Edited 18 January, 20242 yr by cheezemonkhai

I would be super happy for you to edit OP with up to date info. It's much easier for everyone to have the information in one post, rather than across the thread.

 

Not owning a Skoda, I am actually on the verge of just giving up this forum. It's been super useful when I had the Octy, but now SpeakEV is adequate for all my needs, because I have absolutely zero desire to ever drive an ICE again.

This Car magazine article popped up in my news feed. Interesting it doesn't mention Octopus.

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/best-ev-charging-tariffs/

 

@cheezemonkhai, want to just copy+paste most up to date info for OP, simply get it from here:

https://www.speakev.com/threads/list-of-ev-tariff-for-2-5p-mile-motoring.179786/

I suspect Octopus didn't give a back hander or advertising so were 'forgotten'. Online comments section for the article only has two comments, both asking about IOG.

 

Just getting cheaper and cheaper to run an EV.................................

 

 

Cheaper and cheaper for those that can charge at home or maybe at a workplace.  Who can use Private / workplace charging and those with Smart meters.  Is that 60 % or more of EV drivers?   Is it ever going to be 50% of EV drivers in the next 5 years if more do go over to driving EV,s.     There are classes of EV drivers.  Business users and private users.  That can be the same people.  Then purely private users.   Then the home / work chargers and the no home or work charging.   Lots to happen before running an EV gets cheaper and cheaper across the board.    If non home charging could even cost the same as running a petrol or diesel that would be a big mover. 

I agree. There are multiple reasons why super cheap charging is not available to all. Lack of home / work charging is the major one. I'm fortunate that I do have home charging but my smart meter does not connect, so no super cheap charging (although 20p/kWh is cheap motoring) for me. This creates haves / have nots in terms of cheap leccy and disadvantages those struggling to pay bills more than those that are earning enough. My street has a stark reminder of this, the older houses are all heated by storage heaters and losing the BBC signal to switch the meters has lost them cheaper (not cheap!) leccy. The solution is 'fit a smart meter' but that doesn't cut it when you live in a not spot.

26 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

If non home charging could even cost the same as running a petrol or diesel that would be a big mover. 

In my opinion, I can see only this working for public slow charging. The infrastructure overhead for AC chargers are tiny compared to rapid chargers.

 

Finance may also work for subsidised neighbourhood rapid chargers. I've seen something similar to these popping up near Southgate area:

 

I truly believe Destination AC chargers everywhere will make EV transition easier for everyone. Not those expensive flagship rapid charging hubs.

The issue over and over again is when the destination is back to near to where people live and park but not their own parking just roadside or near parking place.

This is where they leave from to maybe just be a short while where ever.

Set off & 15 mins @ supermarket, maybe to someplace else for a few minutes here and there and then return.

 

Even 11 kW AC is 1 hour to get 10-11 kw.  So maybe 35-40 miles of range / miles into the battery.

 

I am away to sit the car 90 minutes again to get 16.2 kWh in at 31 pence a kWh to get my £5 minimum charge worth of electricity.

That is OK as far a price goes if 16.2 kWh gives me 57 - 65 miles for that £5.

The next charge will be 59 pence a kWh though on a rapid and 20kWh, £11.80 for maybe 80 miles, because that is to get me to my destination where the nearest charger is 1/2 a mile and an InstaVolt, 85 pence a kWh, or an Angus Council 55 pence a kWh be it 7, 11, 22, 43 or 50 kW charging.

 

Luckily i can put the car on a 3 pin charger so 22.2 pence a kWh.

That will be 30 kWh,s for £6.66, 112 miles worth.

27 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

The issue over and over again is when the destination is back to near to where people live and park but not their own parking just roadside or near parking place.

This is where they leave from to maybe just be a short while where ever.

Set off & 15 mins @ supermarket, maybe to someplace else for a few minutes here and there and then return.

 

Even 11 kW AC is 1 hour to get 10-11 kw.  So maybe 35-40 miles of range / miles into the battery.

 

I am away to sit the car 90 minutes again to get 16.2 kWh in at 31 pence a kWh to get my £5 minimum charge worth of electricity.

That is OK as far a price goes if 16.2 kWh gives me 57 - 65 miles for that £5.

The next charge will be 59 pence a kWh though on a rapid and 20kWh, £11.80 for maybe 80 miles, because that is to get me to my destination where the nearest charger is 1/2 a mile and an InstaVolt, 85 pence a kWh, or an Angus Council 55 pence a kWh be it 7, 11, 22, 43 or 50 kW charging.

 

Luckily i can put the car on a 3 pin charger so 22.2 pence a kWh.

That will be 30 kWh,s for £6.66, 112 miles worth.

 

Wonder how many friends with home chargers facilitate other friends without home chargers and then financially share the savings ?

 

There seem to be people around with Family, In-laws or even very close people like partners that do not want EV,s charging from their electricity when visiting

 

Nice if they say it will only cost a fiver and that bill payer says fine, have that on me or whatever. 

 

Many have no idea what it costs for someone to plug into the 3 pin socket and charge a BEV or PHEV and if their home might be destroyed by fire and they might invalidate their property insurance. 

Then there is the Selling of energy to others that the property owner or energy customer is getting at a cheap or standard tariff. 

Edited 28 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

This came up in my youtube feed, there's quite a few similar apps out there: