Hi,

 

I have today scanned a forum members Skoda Octavia Scout as per this thread:-

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/526972-scout-20tdi-non-start-and-no-lights-on-cluster/

 

The car won't start. There are no ignition lights. Battery is charged.

 

Could someone better than me interpret the scan and identify the fault that needs rectifying.

 

Sunday,06,October,2024,14:06:22:52506
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x86
VCDS Version: 24.7.0.0  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4643.4
Data version: 20240715 DS356.3
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: TMBKE21Z892038709   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 1Z-SK35 (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 22 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 69 72

VIN: TMBKE21Z892038709   Mileage: 298130km-185249miles

01-Engine -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
04-Steering Angle -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
15-Airbags -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine
Cannot be reached

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Address 03: ABS Brakes
Cannot be reached

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 907 044 AB    HW: 3T0 907 044 AB
   Component: Climatronic   122 0203  
   Revision: 00003001    
   Coding: 0100000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01001
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SK35.rod
   VCID: 72BDCD743423F03A597-8026

3 Faults Found:
13701376 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
          U1111 00 [00001001] - -
          [Motorsteuergerät - kein Signal/Kommunikation]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 148
                    Mileage: 298131 km
                    Date: 2024.10.06.
                    Time: 01:02:22

13701392 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
          U1111 00 [00001001] - -
          [Bremsensteuergerät - kein Signal/Kommunikation]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 148
                    Mileage: 298131 km
                    Date: 2024.10.06.
                    Time: 01:02:22

9481748 - High Pressure Sensor 
          B10AE 14 [00001001] - Open or Short to Ground
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 148
                    Mileage: 298131 km
                    Date: 2024.10.06.
                    Time: 01:02:22


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087     HW: 1K0 937 087 
   Component: BCM PQ35  H   020 0358  
   Revision: 00020000    
   Coding: 40180AB8D041B1C04008008011008124017000AE626D81605C4440000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 12345
   VCID: 6E85D904209BD4DABDF-803A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1Z2 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 11120  22  0601 
   Coding: 00D7B7

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 060209 05  54  0402 
   Coding: 0730ED

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1Z0 951 171 
   Component: Innenraumuebe  008 5101 

6 Faults Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 148
                    Mileage: 298131 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.02.27.
                    Time: 01:02:22

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 12.00 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 148
                    Mileage: 298131 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.02.27.
                    Time: 01:02:22

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 12.05 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

01309 - Power Steering Control Module (J500) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 148
                    Mileage: 298131 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.02.27.
                    Time: 01:02:22

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 12.05 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 148
                    Mileage: 298131 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.02.27.
                    Time: 01:02:22

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 12.05 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

01316 - ABS Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 148
                    Mileage: 298131 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.02.27.
                    Time: 01:02:22

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 12.05 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 148
                    Mileage: 298131 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.02.27.
                    Time: 01:02:22

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 12.05 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 10: Park/Steer Assist
Cannot be reached

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Address 15: Airbags
Cannot be reached

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY9.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 CF    HW: 1K0 953 549 CF
   Component: J0527           055 0111  
   Coding: 0000532
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   VCID: 78A9FF5C5EDF9A6A673-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3T0 959 537   Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-URO   H07 0011  
   Coding: 00000128
   Shop #: WSC 00000  

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 1Z0 920 943 D    HW: 1Z0 920 943 D
   Component: KOMBI         H20 0106  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 720D00
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04040
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_SK35.rod
   VCID: 3A2D25542CD3487A517-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 S    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H16 0210  
   Revision:   H16       Serial number: 3400K092030D23
   Coding: E9A27F46000202006303
   Shop #: WSC 25060 210 95604
   VCID: 372B3C6013415512AE9-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD
Cannot be reached

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:. 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 920 943 D    HW: 1Z0 920 943 D
   Component: IMMO          H20 0106  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03004
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 3A2D25542CD3487A517-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MAX3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 N    HW: 1T0 959 701 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         008 2004  
   Coding: 0000758
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   VCID: 42DD5DB4488300BA097-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist
Cannot be reached

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MAX3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 N    HW: 1T0 959 702 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         008 2004  
   Coding: 0000758
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   VCID: 43D358B0579909B2021-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 035 156 F    HW: 1Z0 035 156 F
   Component: BOLERO        007 0040  
   Revision: 0A001001    Serial number: SKZ1Z3I8152129
   Coding: 0D0004000001
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   VCID: 35373668054DA702BC5-8060

1 Fault Found:
01327 - Control Module for Parking Aid (J446) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 148
                    Mileage: 298131 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.02.27.
                    Time: 01:03:43


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 AK    HW: 1K0 959 703 AK
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2001  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012544
   VCID: 79AFFA5865D5836218D-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer
Cannot be reached

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 AK    HW: 1K0 959 704 AK
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2001  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012544
   VCID: 7AADE55460D3887A117-802E

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 01:08, VBatt start/end: 12.0V/12.0V. VIgn 0.0V)------

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Kev.

Looks like the entire drive can-bus is down...

 

Unlikely to be that many fuses. You could disconnect all the modules on the drive can-bus to see if it's a module..

 

Otherwise, it could be the can-gateway or possibly the wiring to it from the drive can-bus.

 

At least that's my first guess 🤔

Cheers for the scan @tetley appreciate it. 

Any recommendations very welcome i need to get the car mobile ASAP 

Could be one dead module on the Powertrain CAN dragging it down? Maybe worth unplugging one module on that at a time to see if it unfreezes the Powertrain CAN to localise the fault.

10 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

Could be one dead module on the Powertrain CAN dragging it down? Maybe worth unplugging one module on that at a time to see if it unfreezes the Powertrain CAN to localise the fault.

What do i need to unplug ?

Edited 6 October, 20241 yr by flynndog

8 minutes ago, flynndog said:

What do i need to unplug ?

Look at the scan for modules that cannot be reached, and unplug the connector on them one at a time doing a new scan after each one.

 

The main culprits being Engine, ABS, AWD and Steering Assist.

Without sounding too thick shall I unplug the fuses ?

15 hours ago, flynndog said:

Without sounding too thick shall I unplug the fuses ?

That's not going to disconnect the module from the CAN bus and it might remove power from other components too so I wouldn't recommend it.

I've opened up fuse box under bonnet it's green and milky allover going to clean it best i can and try again 

Tried cl3aning it it was goosed. Tried another fusebox on off another car and no good still the same 😭

Any ideas folks ?

16 minutes ago, flynndog said:

Any ideas folks ?

 

On 06/10/2024 at 18:28, PetrolDave said:

Look at the scan for modules that cannot be reached, and unplug the connector on them one at a time doing a new scan after each one.

 

The main culprits being Engine, ABS, AWD and Steering Assist.

 

1 hour ago, PetrolDave said:

 

 

Where are the modules 

Sounds like you should grab some wiring diagrams etc from erwin as you probably need to check for power, ground and CAN at each of the modules on the drive CAN-bus.

 

Very loose positions of the modules:

Has this ever been flooded? The corrosion is strong in this one.

1 hour ago, inspectorman said:

Has this ever been flooded? The corrosion is strong in this one.

Not that I know of 

Right had the clocks checked they're OK. Autoelectrician came out this morning tested every fuse and relay all OK he bridged 2 fuses with a length of wire and got power to clocks and started the car it wouldn't turn off with key had to pull fuse. He said uts ignition switch so I've been and got one and fitted it but still the same 🤯 getting fed up of it now. Any ideas before I chop it up

That is a lot of 'can't be reached' faults.  It does sound like the CAN communication is down as @langers2k says.  Sometimes a single controller can broadcast rubbish on the network which can upset other controllers.  Using VCDS you can usually look at the status of the CAN system and you may see something there.  It will be under the live data and probably in the 'Cent Elec' controller.  I think on your car you will need to click 'Advanced Measuring Blocks' and then look for 'CAN Status' in the pull down list.  If that doesn't work because so much is down you may have to unplug one controller at a time as suggested to see if communication resumes.  I notice the CAN gateway itself is working (and probably wondering why nobody will talk to it!)  I have seen failing ABS controllers send the entire dash into a frenzy of wagging needles and winking lights.

 

  

Edited 14 October, 20241 yr by Rheumy

I've just noticed that the Cent Elec controller (address 09) is missing from your scan.  VCDS doesn't seem to be even attempting to find it.  I think I would investigate that first.  Not sure where it is on an Octavia (sometimes behind the dash and sometimes under the driver's seat)  around your year they started physically combining them (in the same box) with the Conv Controller but VCDS and other diagnostics still counts them as separate things so it should appear on your scan like on my daughter's Fabia here:

 

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 6C0-937-089-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 937 089 C    HW: 6C0 937 089 
   Component: BCM PQ26 Hi4R H08 0087  
   Serial number: 006098131354 Dataset Number: V03935239RD 0001
   Coding: 0F0018404205405303A04080B10703081000D800D6013500000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00063
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMA0 005005
   ROD: EV_BCMA0_005.rod
   VCID: 306BE4666B6CDE167B-8064

 

Edit - Apologies ignore this the 09 is on your list.  Should have gone to spec savers!

Edited 14 October, 20241 yr by Rheumy

I've no idea about VCDS but generally you always want the latest version updated/up to date versions of any programs (for your model and year of VW) to reduce risks of any program errors omissions on diagnostic tool.  If you've not already tried, I've seen Ross-Tech do info and have a users forum which may give help.

 

I forget which vids but similar sort of issue(s) diagnostic path(s) with checking and cross-checking of scan tool info are on this blokes YT channel (personally I wouldn't trust some auto-electricians and mains electricians as far as I could throw them, just what I've seen and personal experience employing and working with some mains electricians),

 

Milligan Auto Diagnostics - https://www.youtube.com/@mrautoservices7354/videos

 

Edited 14 October, 20241 yr by nta16

I've run out of "spare money" at the min so it's on hold for a week or 2 I've got it running with a wire giving live which turns the clocks on for me to start it not ideal but all I can do for now. The boot wont open from fob or boot switch. Rear 2 doors wont lock/unlock and screenwash has decided to stop working 🙈

Have look at those vids doing diagnostic checks can involve simple things like your humans senses (and 'common sense' often forgotten by paid professionals) perhaps borrow a multimeter if you don't have wire and light perhaps.  Lots of basic checks (also often forgotten or ignored by paid professionals) can often be carried out with just the car's 12v battery in reasonable state of charge and health.

 

But I can understand you being ****ed-off with the car and wanting a break from the problems it's giving you (been there more times than you can imagine) - if you don't really need to use the car then take a break from it, keep the battery charged and things shouldn't get worse (unless it's a water leaking in issue or affected more by colder weather).

 

Unless you've got some ort of vehicle recovery official or informal I'd be careful about using the car with dodgy electrics/electronics/computers in case you get a total no-go situation, unless you have experience of unreliable cars and the 'joys' of roadside "repairs" or recovery, Sod's Law they never happen in the dry and daylight or with the car sitting in a pub car park (although I have had the last one but didn't feel like drinking at the time even though I could have as I had a wait and certainly wasn't going to drive the car home though I had the experience to be able to).

 

Good luck, let us know how you get on. I've a mobile phone repair kit you can borrow, 2lb lump hammer and thick 4" nail.

 

I've a man said its the ccm or another module i can't remember reckons if its that it's a 120 bill. had 3 people out one came out for a full check of the car and never plugged it in so a polite phone call got him back the next day to plug it in and not have a clue what he was looking at 🙈 . I like the car a lot just a shame the hassle it's giving at the min whilst I'm off work waiting for surgery 😭

Cars are of no real cause for any real concern or worry, just lumps of metal - and now lots of plastics and marvellous(?) computers and computer programming and modules and sensors and thin wires, wot could possibly go wrong.

 

You've no need to add to the the profits and work of the dubious British motor trade or the economy of this country and others as I've done lots, more than enough of that already to cover you not contributing too much (I had the t-shirt too but it fell apart).

 

Just concern yourself with your physical and mental health and that of others you care about, there's always lots of opportunities for unsatisfying, and always ultimately fruitless farting about with cars and those opportunities will multiply in the future so you needn't miss out and can take a break anytime for any length of time (forever would be very good idea).  Things that seem very important at some points in life later may become difficult to remember let alone recognise as being of any real importance, to the vast majority that would be cars, 19th century technology with some 20th century technology, often clumsily, added.

 

Look up 1980s Škoda jokes, some were very good and inventive, only way to be about any car no matter which.  Now where's me hoop 'n; stick from me big Lottery win  .  .  .

 

Edited 14 October, 20241 yr by nta16

I think it's worth having a close look with a torch along any of loom you can get at for any chafing.  You might have to get it up on stands.  Check especially around gearbox and steering rack.  Have a (long!) read of this thread from the VCDS forum.  It's about a Sharan but both the scan and the symptoms are very similar to yours.  I must admit I wouldn't power it up too many times until the fault is found just in case you cause a direct short to earth on one of the larger cables which might create a fire risk.   A day or two off and a fresh look and I'm sure you will find it  

Good luck with it. 🙂 

 

Below is a VW forum picture posted by a VW Master Tech.  It shows the sort of thing pronged chafing can cause.  This one was simply a non-start but when these larger high current wires break or short across to another they usually cause the major problems you have.   This one looks like it has been shorting and overheating.