Hi there..... on my first Skoda after numerous Audis and Vw gti's..... 2024 VRS combi.....love the drive.... but cannot believe that 2 litres oil consumption in 15000km is considered acceptable....

Hello.

5 hours ago, domo1 said:

cannot believe that 2 litres oil consumption in 15000km is considered acceptable....

Do you mean 15000km or 1500km?

15000km.....

Welcome.

So 2 litres in 9,300 miles / 15,000 km.    Were you topping up before Low oil warning lights came on?

What engine, Petrol, Petrol hybrid, Diesel?

 

Audi & VW said the same thing about the engines if you read the owners manuals,

they are the same engines as Skoda have.

 

'May use as much as 0.5 litres in 1,000 km. (621 miles)  may use more in the first 5,000 km. '

 

That is in every owners manual, Petrol / Diesel, 3,4,5,6,8,12 cylinder engines.     

 

That does not mean excess oil use under normal weather, not extreme, or driving solo within speed limits is acceptable.

It just means that VW Group try covering their backsides.

 

Edited 22 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

No topped up when warning light appeared.... first time I thought ok.... low level at dealership... second time I went straight to dealership and pointed this oil usage reference in the owners manual... its a 2.0 litre diesel  the VRS model.... don't mind telling you I'm astonished....

Very disappointing.

 

Is it 0w 30 FS IV oil used to VW504 00 / 507 00 III rather than the VW508 00 / 509 00, so 0w 20 FS IV

 

Edited 22 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

0W 20 is what is recommended.. and main dealer says if I change that I will invalidate warranty 

5 hours ago, domo1 said:

0W 20 is what is recommended.. and main dealer says if I change that I will invalidate warranty 

My VW UP had it's first service last month on a VW service plan.

The car is recommended to use 0W-20, VW 508 / 509.

 

Did manage to get them to use VW 504 / VW 507 oil though.
This is a better oil to use long term and is a 5W- 30 C3 oil and not the usual VW 508 / VW 509 0W-20 C5 oil.
They did ask a few questions but I took some printed information in with me just in case.
After explaining, all good and without invalidating the warranty.

 

 

Thanks. AG Falco

Thanks for that info.... might run it by the Skoda lads....

For what it's worth, had my 18yo Octavia vRS from new, and it's always done that. Was considered normal back then too apparently!

 

VAG do have a bit of a name for dumping noxious substances into the atmosphere.

10 hours ago, domo1 said:

Thanks for that info.... might run it by the Skoda lads....

Get them to check with TPS on what oil's are listed for your engine.

 

Thanks. AG Falco

IIRC, the 0W oils were introduced solely for slightly reduced emission readings (through lower engine drag) use of the previous spec oils was permitted. 

Edited 23 November, 20241 yr by Warrior193
clarification

This chart is for TSI,s.  Not TDI,s which all use Long Life oil for Fixed or Variable regimes. 

 

Others will know which Euro 6 2018 on TDI,s still use VW504 00 / 507 00, 

& Dealers are using 0w 30 III not VW508 00 /  509 00

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12 minutes ago, Warrior193 said:

IIRC, the 0W oils were introduced solely for slightly reduced emission readings (through lower engine friction) use of the previous spec oils was permitted. 

You could get 2% better fuel consumption!

But the thing they don't tell you is the increased engine wear.

 

 

Read this for my VW UP:-

VW 504 / VW 507 is an option to fit with this engine but the car under bonnet sticker did show different on mine.
I replaced my under bonnet oil sticker with one that had VW 504 / VW 507 on it. 

VW 508 / VW 509 is a 0W-20 C5 oil and VW 504 / VW 507 is a 5W-30 C3 oil.

There are two main differences between C5 and C3. In red below

1: C5 has a lower viscosity than C3.
2: C5 has a lower HTHS rating than C3 which increases the engine wear.
HTHS is the abbreviation for “High Temperature High Shear”. See below.

'ACEA C5 Stable, stay-in-grade Engine Oil with Mid SAPS-Level, for further improved Fuel Economy, intended for use as catalyst compatible Oil at extended Drain Intervals in Vehicles with all Types of modern Aftertreatment Systems and High Performance Passenger Car & Light Duty Van Gasoline & DI Diesel Engines that are designed to be capable and OEM-approved for use of Low Viscosity Oils with a minimum HTHS Viscosity of 2.6 mPa*s.'

Car manufactures are tending to use a lower viscosity oil to improve fuel consumption.
But the improvement between C5 and C3 is listed as only 2% better.
I check fuel consumption so will notice any difference.
Since the biggest controller of fuel economy is 'the nut fitted between the steering wheel and the drivers seat' I tend to sort that out first. 


'ACEA C3 Stable, stay-in-grade Engine Oil with Mid SAPS-Level, intended for use as catalyst compatible Oil at extended Drain Intervals in Vehicles with all Types of modern Aftertreatment Systems and High Performance Passenger Car & Light Duty Van Gasoline & DI Diesel Engines that are designed to be capable of using Oils with a minimum HTHS Viscosity of 3.5 mPa*s.'


HTHS viscosity
The HTHS value is a measure of the viscosity of an engine oil under demanding conditions. Defined limit values ensure that even with high-performance engines, the engine oils can maintain a tear-resistant lubricating film in the bearing area at high temperatures and high speeds (shear stability).
The unit for measuring HTHS is mPas (millipascal second). If the HTHS value is above 3.5 mPas, the HTHS viscosity is to be classified as normal. An HTHS value below 3.5 mPas is referred to as a reduced HTHS viscosity.

'SAPS stands for sulfated ash, phosphorus, and sulfur.'
You need a MID/LOW SAPS oil with an engine with any exhaust emission controls.

So to sum up:

• A lubricant with low HTHS viscosity improves fuel efficiency.
• A lubricant with high HTHS viscosity offers better protection for engine parts.

I keep my cars long term so I want long term engine protection first.

 

Thanks. AG Falco

That's very helpful....

Thank you