I'm homing in on buying probably a 2020 Kamiq. Can anyone tell me if the DSG boxes fitted to 1.0 and 1.5 cars of that period differ? Does one work better than the other, require more expensive maintenance, or work better with adaptive cruise control? Thanks, Max

They only differ in having different mapping to suit engines with different power outputs as in 1.0TSI  or 1.5 TSI of 150ps with ACT. 

DQ200,s, 7 speed and reverse. They do what a 7 speed twin clutch DSG does.

The engines are very different with Active Cylinder Technology in the 1.5 TSI. Can run in 2 cylinders.

We have the 1.0l with DSG.

I think it's fine. I can only compare it to a VW California and an Evoque.

Yes there are subtle differences driving each and each (if you really analyse it) have their own sweet spot that is better than the other two. Nothing horrendous that I can see.

Thanks - I ask because we've had a Berlingo and a Citroen C5 (both diesel) with DSG, and the C5 is a good deal smoother, also newer. Both gearboxes are a bit hesitant and can be jerky at low speeds, but very smooth faster, and they work great with adaptive cruise control. I read a review that said the Skoda 1.0 3 cyclinder petrol engine has lots of low down torque so feels a bit like a small diesel (which sounds good), whereas the 1.5 petrol is smoother and quieter and almost as economical - so either sound good.

@Maxr  They did the same as VW Group DSG,s.

it was a EAT8, or some other Auto that PSA used were they not?. 

Edited 8 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

5 hours ago, Ootohere said:

@Maxr  They did the same as VW Group DSG,s.

it was a EAT8, or some other Auto that PSA used were they not?. 

Probably EAT8, Ootohere - I often get the wrong acronym

I have been driven - by someone else, who was a very capable driver - fairly frequently in a C5, and I was always very impressed by the whole package. It had a very good auto box, but as has been pointed out it was not a DSG box, so no valid comparison there.

 

I would urge you just to have a test drive in a 1.5 DSG.  Drop it into 'S' and put your foot down.  I suspect it may clarify your thoughts more than any guff on here.

 

 

In sport my 1.5 DSG,  now 2 years old, accelerates very quickly when needed, I tested a 1.0 and 1.5 before I bought and there is a considerable difference between them.

35 bhp worth of difference. 

Near 1/3 rd greater in the 4 cylinder 1.5 TSI ACT than the 3 cylinder 1.0TSI.  But both do 70 mph 4 up with luggage. 

Great - thanks guys!

The 1ltr DSG is plenty powerful and smooth for everyday use, it's pretty good on long journeys too. If I want that extra boost I stick it in sport mode, it's like a little rocket ship.

Having never driven an auto for many many years it was really surprising how quick and smooth these gearboxes are, I'm hooked.

On 09/12/2024 at 11:07, MickA said:

The 1ltr DSG is plenty powerful and smooth for everyday use, it's pretty good on long journeys too. If I want that extra boost I stick it in sport mode, it's like a little rocket ship.

Having never driven an auto for many many years it was really surprising how quick and smooth these gearboxes are, I'm hooked.

Thing is they aren't really anything like the auto boxes of the past, they are manual gearboxes with electronic clutches.

Hydro mechanically controlled. 

Yes an ECU controls the changes. There is a MCU / Mechatronic Control Unit. 

No servicing schedule for the DQ200 Twin Dry Clutch DSG.   2 different oils. 

Unlike the Wet Clutch DSG,s where the same oil is in the box and MCU.

 

Not as troublesome as the Electronically Controlled Ford Durashift Automated Manual was. 

Edited 11 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

17 hours ago, sussamb said:

Thing is they aren't really anything like the auto boxes of the past, they are manual gearboxes with electronic clutches.

I've seen that observation made countless times. And every time I see it I ask myself why it's made.

 

Yes, I've driven different types of auto.  I own a Hyundai with a Torque Converter transmission as well as the DSG Yeti and previously owned a CVT Jazz and used to drive automatic fire engines. I've even driven the old type of automatic Minis and Austin 1100s !

 

When I get in the Yeti it's obvious there's no clutch pedal. There's a gear shift lever with Forward, Reverse, Neutral, Park (plus Sport, of course) .... and to be honest it's literally no different from driving the Hyundai. 

 

Yes it's got something called Twin Clutches but to drive the thing you wouldn't know what goes on inside it. Nor would you need to unless you had a particular interest in that sort of thing.

 

Yes, I know of the issues that people (including me) have had and I know it's a good idea to treat it with a degree of care and respect (which I do). but to all intents and purposes it's an automatic. My registration and insurance documents don't discriminate, in the same way they didn't specify that my Jazz was CVT, it was just an automatic.

 

The end.

On the other hand i never treat them with care.  I boot them, do double kick downs, put in M and do not change up forcing it to which is the quickest for sprints.

I have run them putting out more then 250Nm.

 

I have had every kind of Automatic, Semi Automatic, Automated Manual, CVT, Servo Clutch etc. or driven them.

I thrash them if i want to and if they break then they get fixed.  But i have never broken one.

I have bought faulty ones, uneconomic to repair and had them repaired then treated them badly if i am wanting to get a shift on.

I would hate to sell one once fixed if it was going to let down the new owner.

But then i have a mate that is probably the best Automatic Repair Specialist in Scotland. 

I suppose some sort of reply to the above is in order ....

 

I don't have a mate who happens to be the best repairer of automatic transmissions in the West Country. Therefore if my transmission did happen to go bang I'd be at the mercy of the main dealer or some other independent place that I've never used before. And everyone says how expensive DSG's are to fix.  I dare say all autos are expensive to fix given they're a bit specialist.

 

So, in view of that, and being a pretty ordinary sort of bloke who doesn't deliberately chuck money away, I tend to look after my stuff and am disinclined to rag the ass off my cars ... for several reasons really ... all fairly obvious to the average Man on the Clapham Omnibus.

@oldstan The point is they are not made of chocolate.  They can take abuse, they last well.

 

The issue are sh!te ones leaving the factory. 2009-2012 VW Group using the wrong oil causing corrosion. So '34F7' as a Global Recall, excluding Europe.

2 years later a Service Campaign, not a RECALL.

Then 2013-2015 a Pressure / Heat Issue after they used different Oil. so Service Campaign '34H5' started in 2017.  Many cars missed.

2015-2018 a Software & Clutch issue for some, so a TPI.

Then the WLTP and the 1.5 TSI ACT Kangerooing issue, and not just manuals, also DSG,s,  but also a Software Issue with the DSG for some.

 

The issue is treat them nice and they can fail, so as well treat them mean while under warranty and if not fit for just driving. ( No Racing / Rallying / Offroading.)

Then not fit for purpose.

The No SERVICE REGIME / RECOMMENDATIONS / GUIDELINES is of VW Groups making.  

They should have a 10 year warranty on them like they did in Asia / China and some other world regions in 2012 when the had a WORLD WIDE RECALL.

Edited 11 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

All the above received.  I have nothing of substance to add other than to say that when I was about 18, not long after passing my bike and car tests (around 1967 or '68)  I attended evening classes in a place called the Stepney Evening Institute in East London.  We were instructed by a serving Police Constable using the Police Manual called Roadcraft as a basis for lessons that worked towards one of two Advanced Driving qualifications that were available to take at the time.

 

Quite a decent emphasis was placed on, what was called, Car Sympathy.  It needs no explanation but from those very early days in my driving experience I look back and acknowledge that the stuff I learned must have gone a long way towards me, a very average 18 year old, not coming to extreme grief on the roads (as was not uncommon for youngsters my age) .... but furthermore it instilled in me a wish to keep my cars in good order and to have a bit of a feeling for them.

 

The instructor drove a gorgeous new Rover 2000. He wouldn't allow anyone other than himself to drive it - not even the mechanic who serviced it.  No-one ever ate anything in his car ... crumbs weren't tolerated.  His previous car was a red 2 door 1964 Corsair GT which had the same treatment - but was stolen from him and, ultimately, when recovered, was sold to me and was my pride and joy at the time.

 

Anyway, what I'm saying is that upbringing  has dictated that I do like to have a certain care and respect for my cars, irrespective of whether they're made of chocolate, and, at 73, that's not likely to change now. And whether it's made any difference I don't know but my DSG has been working just fine since 2011.

 

At the risk of boring the pants off  folk I think we can probably move on from Memory Lane now, nothing much more to be gained I don't think.

With the 1 Ltr I find the DSG box excellent.

Nearly imperceptible changes and 60 MPG on steady cross country  runs.

After three years (49 MPG overall) I have updated to the new model.

Very low growl (In the new car) in each gear and no doubt this and the MPG will get better in due course!

Have had many automatics over 60 plus years and the DSGs are amazing.

No doubt the boy racers will love the paddles!!!!!!!!

Edited 11 December, 20241 yr by EJB

I'm a bit too old to be called a Boy Racer - but I do enjoy the paddles. Specifically, when it comes to overtaking and/or making good progress, e.g. up motorway slip roads, the paddles come into their own.

Beats a "kick-down" auto hands down.

 

Also well used on the left side to bring the car back into gear when it foolishly slips into coasting mode.  I rarely drive from A to B with the gear leaver simply stuck in D.

 

Our current fleet consists of a 999cc (110) Polo and a 2.0 Kodiaq - and I've been driving DSG boxes for 16 years in an assortment of cars, mostly Skodas. 

 

I love the DSG boxes. They give you permutations which make any journey more enjoyable.

 

Even a wee Polo can put on a good show.

Just to add to the mix with my experiences - 

 

The DSG in my mum's 2022 1.0 Ibiza FR is a cracking little box - it made my buy the DSG vRS.

 

The DSG box in a 2024 1.5 Leon courtesy car was a bit limp (compared not only to the vRS but the little Ibiza too), but nowhere near as bad as the subsequent 2024 1.0 Arona I had. It wouldn't go anywhere, and if another mm of pedal travel was introduced, it would shoot off. Both had the DQ200 you're looking at, with a different tune/setup. 

 

I debated long and hard getting a DSG over a manual. I'm quite young and really enjoy a manual - nothing quite like heel toeing an old 350Z whilst diving into a roundabout. Then I drove the Ibiza (first auto I had driven) and was sold. Fast forward eight months of vRS ownership and I don't think I'll ever go back. I've had mine tuned, and it's utterly fantastic. 

 

Re 1.0 vs 1.5 - I'd go for the 1.5. The ACT in my 1.4 Leon was brilliant (I still miss that engine), and I think the extra power would be welcome in a Kamiq. That said, if you only drive around town, then the 1.0 should be enough - said Ibiza is very spritely, and both it and the Arona felt absolutely fine on the motorway, even if they weren't winning any races.

 

The only complaint I have is the weird coasting mode. My vRS and the Ibiza only do it in Eco mode, however the Arona did it all the time, which was a bit annoying around town unknowingly building up speed.

21 minutes ago, Occy245 said:

 

The only complaint I have is the weird coasting mode. My vRS and the Ibiza only do it in Eco mode, however the Arona did it all the time, which was a bit annoying around town unknowingly building up speed.

My 2024 1.5 Tsi Monte Carlo Kamiq only coasts in eco mode, whereas my previous 2022 1.5 Kodiaq did it in normal mode as well as eco.

I’ve driven both the 1.0 110 DSG and the 1.5 148 DSG and there ISNT that much between them, despite some of the previous comments.

 

They are both jerky from the off and they both pick up very well.  Obviously, the 1.5 picks up quicker but in real world terms the difference really isn’t that much.

 

I’d recommend the 1.0 110 to anyone, and I’d recommend the 1.5 148 to anyone,

 

Some people on here seem to think that the 148 is the fastest production car ever made…….it really isn’t, not by a long way😂

& not all 1.0 or 1.5, TSI with a DSG are jerky from a start,

just as all 1.2, 1.4 or 1.8 TSI,s or 1.6 TSI,s with a DQ200 DSG are not.

I’ll rephrase then, both the 1.0 and 1.5 DSG’s I’VE had HAVE been slightly jerky from start……in fact the 1.5 more so.

 

Personal experience.