unless its a big turbo then bah humbug to it

Nope

git :P

Hi Makefish

Engine modifications fall into three distinct groups IMO.

This is basically right; there is almost nothing you can easily bolt on (except a proper remap if you can call it a bolt on) that will alter the performance of your vehicle in a significant way.

Given the noisy_chavvy=faster nonsense, I would only believe perfomance claims if backed up by independent before and after dyno testing. Everything else is really a subjective claim that a car must be faster because money was spent on it. Beware vendors of snake oil - they are legion.

Steve

And why is c-h-a-v not allowed as a word?

Is it the latest politcally correct fascism to limit our speech?

C'mon it's not a term of racial, sexual or religious abuse, and we all know who we mean, don't we?

BSR remap let me just say WOW!

After mods like that you cannot be Disillusioned with Modding anymore:)

the car goes like a bullet now!

This is basically right; there is almost nothing you can easily bolt on (except a proper remap if you can call it a bolt on) that will alter the performance of your vehicle in a significant way.

Given the noisy_chavvy=faster nonsense, I would only believe perfomance claims if backed up by independent before and after dyno testing. Everything else is really a subjective claim that a car must be faster because money was spent on it. Beware vendors of snake oil - they are legion.

Steve

Correct! Round here we seem to have become infected with old Peugot 106's etc. with exhaust tailpipes you could drive a truck into, driver usually invisible from behind except for the burberry cap sticking up over the seat back. They are nearly as fast as the binmen's lorry.

I think when it comes to modding , it is about making the car more personal

Some like noise , some like bottom end power , some like top end power and so on

Anything that you add to your car is classed as modding

I have a Briskoda sticker and a Pipercross panel filter on my car

Now that is modding , but in no way to extreams

We ALL have a choice and we all look to doing bits to our car to make it more personal

How can someone be wrong in modding their car when it comes down to personal choice and preference

I do think that when a company claims that with a remap you will get *** extra BHP then THAT should be what you get

But then you have to look in to what has been done to that car to achieve the bhp gains

There could be an exhaust and a filter included to a remap to get them gains

I have seen so much about this and I must admit there has been quite a few around as we see with the rolling road events that we have

I will hold my hand up and say the Shifty`s car does pull like a trail , he still has the snot marks on the rear window to proove it , and I will say that what he has done is fantastic , I need another go in it to see what the other bits have done (If your listening Dave)

But when he has anything done , it is HIS preference and not anyone elses as to what he wants

That at the end of the day makes modding soooooo much fun and you will not see 2 cars that have been WELL modded looking , sounding and handling the same

Sarah

Interesting thread this...

Im generally happy with my mods, it feels pretty good, and I think the mods i have done to this engine seem pretty worthwhile, i have prettu much the same mods as Shifty, but I think with more handling mods, and its great, especially on the track!

Makefish, I made a comment about me questioning the value of those two new Neuspeed parts, now you know why.

There are some parts I think are just not worth the effort. If you want the fastest car with every bit of bhp squeezed and want to spend money, then it might be worth it to you.

I think ive pretty much stopped buying any more major mods for the car, and its running great at the moment. don't want to lose or waste too much money when i come to sell it!

Correct! Round here we seem to have become infected with old Peugot 106's etc. with exhaust tailpipes you could drive a truck into, driver usually invisible from behind except for the burberry cap sticking up over the seat back. They are nearly as fast as the binmen's lorry.

YES! LOL.

And most of the oiks don't realize that it may well be making their cars slower!

Also, have you noticed that when they do suspension or big wheel/lo-pro mods (which they have no idea about in the engineering sense other than reading what's on the packet) the cars mysteriously start to eat tyres, lose lots of traction, tramline, develop steering quirks and so on. (it can be done properly, I know).

Sadly they wake everyone up at night round here with their sawn-off exhausts (intentionally) so my vote is that any car not meeting EU noise regs (which should be tighter) in an MOT get failed. Or even better put in the crusher!

Steve

Obviously Shifty's car is a gem but I also wonder why buy a car and mod the hell out of it (as I beleive some people have done) instead of buying a faster car in the first place, I suppose that it is the satisfaction of a job well done by yourself.

In my own case, modding was not just about power - it was also about having a car that was to my own requirements.

The Mk1 vRS that I owned had 18"Kahn Alloys, Full Turbo back Miltek exhuast and sports cat and then the best bit - the Jabba remap -- 180bhp-236bhp it totally transformed the way it drove, the way the engine would pull right to the line - it still brings a grin to my face.

I spent a small fortune doing it - and could have had a faster car for the money -- but it would have been a standard car with many hundreds or even thousands of identical cars on the road.

Modding is a very personal thing. Sometimes I see things done that I can't help but think "what a god awful waste of cash". Each to their own...

I'm a fan of the OEM+ style of modding, as it seems the majority of Briskoda are too!

As for disillusioned, Steve, are you crazy? You have one of the fastest cars on the forum - yet you dont think its good enough? eh?

I think the problem with the Mk2 is that the rolling road cannot exert enough load for the ECU to give full power... Just a thought. Theres no way a 245bhp Octy MK2 could keep with an Evo 8 FQ340... :rubchin:

What particular types of modifications affect car warranty, i know a remap obviously does but what about the likes of an upgraded exhaust or filter etc??

All mods.

Happy to help.

I suppose that it is the satisfaction of a job well done by yourself.

Definitely is for me. It's why I've taken a 100bhp car and made it into a 220bhp one, with plans for much more soon. It's a DIY / satisfaction / hobby / passion kind of thing.

For me the modding is about stealth. I like to be able to drive about in a plain looking slightly sporty Skoda, no one looks twice. Yet when I want to go for a blast, and enjoy a very brisk drive, I can do that too. With the Skoda's in particular, it always fun seeing the faces of the guy you just left behind at the traffic lights in his superior sports car

If anyone wants the full spec of my car, join PlaceHolder for cruiseblackpool.net and have a peek in members cars.

Theres no way a 245bhp Octy MK2 could keep with an Evo 8 FQ340... :rubchin:

i agree 100% with the above statement

an octavia would need 300+ to keep up with one on a straight let alone it being damp/wet/bendy or out of a round about etc.

i agree 100% with the above statement

an octavia would need 300+ to keep up with one on a straight let alone it being damp/wet/bendy or out of a round about etc.

I'll video it for you.

I'll video the local guy who I don't know with the Black FQ340, and I'll video the guy I do know with the 350bhp Evo 7.

Then you can pick hgoles in that, and tell me how they can't drive, weren't trying, blah blah.

I'm not callin you a liar shifty i just find it hard to see how the two cars can be so even.

Your car 280bhp 1400Kg 200bhp/ton (estimated) 290lbft 207lbft/ton

evo VIII 340 342bhp 1400Kg 244bhp/ton 305lbft 218 lbft/ton

i know the evo has greater transmission loses than an octavia but they have loses in the region of 17% which makes an FQ340 about 284bhp at the wheels so 203WHP/ton which is higher than your predicted fly figures let alone your wheel figures.

Ok, but from what I understand the Evo only peaks very high up the rev range, Daves Octy is very strong throughout and quite smooth...

I'll video it for you.

I'll video the local guy who I don't know with the Black FQ340, and I'll video the guy I do know with the 350bhp Evo 7.

Then you can pick hgoles in that, and tell me how they can't drive, weren't trying, blah blah.

but you'll still have two variables; what's "trying" for one person can be "suicidal" for another.

i get the impression that when you're "going for it", there's no way any of the car's potential is going to be knowingly wasted/unused.

going purely on the numbers, if you were to do back-to-back runs in each car, with the same level of commitment, i would be suprised if the evo wasn't faster

I have been a passenger in an EVO VIII FQ320 driven at 'pace' and believe me that is one helluva machine, round the twisty bits!!!!. In a straight line I can see where Shifty is coming from and reckon the Octy may well be in the a chance of keeping on a par with one, perhaps its the immense torque the Octy's generates over such a broad rev range has some thing to do with it?.

Hi

As with the modding, power increase is also a diminishing returns kind of game. Take a trio of identical cars and plonk a 100hp motor in one, a 200hp motor in another and a 300hp motor in the third. When you measure performance, the difference from 100 - 200 hp will be greater than the difference between the 200 - 300 hp cars as you have gone +100% for the first jump and +50% for the second.

The actual performance gains will not be as pronounced as the figures would suggest, particualrly with off the line accelleration. Consider also that a car that does 0-60 in 5 seconds will be only a little faster than one that does it in 6 as you are only eking out a few mph over each straight.

Drive the cars down a twisty road and you may find a significant advantage going from 100 - 200 hp, but much less so going from 200 - 300 hp. Add a bit of dodgy wet surface and the differences shrink again.

Something that bought home just how little difference power makes in the real world was the handling day at North Weald earlier in the year. Wet surface, a range of cars including some seriously fast stuff, all running remarkably similar times on track.

It is easy to see how one would be well pleased with a remap shoving maybe 30+% torque and power out, but very disappointed with an expensive exhaust system yielding an extra 2%.