Due to a beautiful morning, no work and living in Scarborough, me and my mate in a CTR went for a drive on the moors around Whitby. We used the roads covered in the 100th Evo mag and what a drive it was! You will be pleased to hear that I upheld the honour of Skoda and the vRS as there was nothing between the two cars.

I instructed my friend to try and lose me at every given opportunity and all the way from Whitby to Pickering he couldn't. I was very pleased as my vRS is standard and it made me wonder what would be possible if I had a remap?

So, sorry to those who have had a day at work, but I did it for the greater good of the Skoda badge and gained nothing from the experience on a personal level.

Is yours standard??

Duh - just read the thread PROPERLY....hmmmm!

That shouldn't really be possible, the CTR is slightly lighter as well as having the extra 20bhp.

I had one before my Octavia vRS (it was also a 53 plate pre-facelift, but in the faster *wink* black paint), and it was very definitely quicker when driven hard. It went round corners and stopped better, too.

So clearly that means you're a better driver. Well done!

I had one before my Octavia vRS (it was also a 53 plate pre-facelift, but in the faster *wink* black paint)

I've heard the black ones were quicker too!

Not sure if I'm the better driver really. He claimed he was trying, but maybe I want to believe that my car is as quick as his rather than the fact I was driving the nuts off my car. I have noticed that things are more of an experience in the Civic. The noise and ride all add to the sensation of speed. On a track he would definitely out-corner me, but in the real world on normal roads, maybe , just maybe my little old Skoda was a match for the mighty Type R?

We do have the advantage that if we get our choice of gear slightly wrong, we're still sitting on torque where in the civic you either have to wait for the power or drop a cog. That probably helped.

The vRS has done what I needed it to (make 400 miles a week a more pleasant experience and cut a third off the insurance) and I don't want to get rid, but God I still miss my Civic, more than a year later.

That's why my plans for the next few months hopefully include a lot of handling and power mods - fix up the cornering and get as close to 250bhp as I can without big bucks.

You need a massive hike in power to escape convincingly on the road when driven by "normal" drivers.

No offence. But, I think your clearly the better driver. I took a Honda Civic Type R out today, and it is an absolute driving dream. The car is so well set-up, it may not be to everyone's size, driving style etc. But it was perfect for me. A standard Leon Cupra R, Would slowly leave a standard Octavia vRS, and dare I say it.... The Civic Type R is quicker than my Leon Cupra R.

30bhp/ton in the CTR's favour, 20% more relative power. That's hardly pocket change, is it?. Assuming letstorquebhp.com is telling the truth about the two cars' weight.

I love the Skoda vRS and was all set to buy one but alas my girlfriend

is still in the dark ages thinking the the skoda badge means rubbish car.

Ignoring her objections I was getting the vRS anyways but she sucker

punched me with the line "Why don't you get you Type R instead". Now

you have to realise that I've always wanted a Type R and didn't hesitate

in immediately going to Honda and getting one.

Awesome car. Quick, amazing handling and a pure pleasure to drive.

However....

A friend in work recently got a vRS and I must say I love it.

I wouldn't trade in my Civic for one but I kinda wished I went for a

vRS and then a type R.

Both great cars

No offence. But, I think your clearly the better driver. I took a Honda Civic Type R out today, and it is an absolute driving dream. The car is so well set-up, it may not be to everyone's size, driving style etc. But it was perfect for me. A standard Leon Cupra R, Would slowly leave a standard Octavia vRS, and dare I say it.... The Civic Type R is quicker than my Leon Cupra R.

Hmmm. I seem to be getting a general picture here. Possibly I was lucky or Shell V Power is a miracle fuel? He was on 95 Ron, would that have made a noticeable difference if I was on the premium stuff?:confused:

Nah, the Civic is mapped for 95 RON and so produces 197bhp on that fuel. Using 98RON makes almost no difference whatsoever.

In contrast, ours are mapped for 98 RON (well, my 54 plate is according to the manual and petrol flap) so presumably produces book figures on that fuel, slightly less (torque?) on 95. I don't really understand how that works it has to be said, but that's the impression the manual gives.

Hmmm. I seem to be getting a general picture here. Possibly I was lucky or Shell V Power is a miracle fuel? He was on 95 Ron, would that have made a noticeable difference if I was on the premium stuff?:confused:

I've driven a few Standard vRS's and been in a few remapped ones. To be perfectly honest, I would of said, a Civic Type R would have no problem keeping up with a Remapped Octy vRS. Due to it's weight......

If the octy did pull away, it would be very marginal. I'm suprised at the outcome to be honest..... Nice one though

On a straight road my remapped will leave a Type R for dead, but add some proper corners and it's a totally different matter, as I find the vRS is pretty bad for cornering ability ( ARB's etc will obviously help ).

I definitely miss the Integra when I go round the Welsh mountain twistys, but the vRS is the same difference ahead when it comes too straight roads and cruising.

So, What modifications have you done to your Octavia to leave a CTR for dead? I presume a lot....

So, What modifications have you done to your Octavia to leave a CTR for dead? I presume a lot....

Modifications:

Carbonio CAI

Baileys DV 30 dump valve

Jabba custom maps 240bhp

Full Blueflame Exhaust system with 100cel cat

Modifications:

Carbonio CAI

Baileys DV 30 dump valve

Jabba custom maps 240bhp

Full Blueflame Exhaust system with 100cel cat

what power is it at the wheels? afterall thats the one that counts. the flywheel power is only at best an estimate. sounds like you have a healthy one there fella!!!!

No offence mate. but a vRS with Zorst, remap and filter would not leave a CTR for dead.... No chance. I had one for 3 years and now have a Revo'd LCR and that wouldn't of left my CTR for dead.. Pull away, yes, but not HUGE amounts.. And i'm pretty sure a mapped LCR will have the upper hand on you vRS..

Has your vRS actually been RR'd by a reliable RR set up? If so, with 240bhp, it's still only got about 10bhp/tonne more than a CTR, which although it would pull away, leaving it for dead is a bit of a exageration IMO..

No offence mate. but a vRS with Zorst, remap and filter would not leave a CTR for dead.... No chance. I had one for 3 years and now have a Revo'd LCR and that wouldn't of left my CTR for dead.. Pull away, yes, but not HUGE amounts.. And i'm pretty sure a mapped LCR will have the upper hand on you vRS..

Has your vRS actually been RR'd by a reliable RR set up? If so, with 240bhp, it's still only got about 10bhp/tonne more than a CTR, which although it would pull away, leaving it for dead is a bit of a exageration IMO..

very carefully put answer but bang on i reckon.

find it hard to believe you can get a real extra 40bhp out of an exhaust and sport cat cos mine is modded exactly the same bar the above and it puts out 180bhp at the wheels, with the above i reckon you'd get another 10bhp-15bhp to the wheels.

these sort of thread make me chuckle... my cars faster than yours etc etc...

Bottom line is this, the guy and his mate go driving in the country and the vRS lives with the CTR in all conditions...

Shock horror no one believes a word of it and then the power and mods come into the equasion and the my cars got more power than yours thread takes over.

No two cars are the same where power is concerned, 1 can be bang on the book and the other could be slightly more or less from the factory. As far as i'm aware Skoda, Seat, Honda and half a dozen other manufacturers that we know and love to not bench mark their engines before bolting them into a car.

Renault did it with the 172 cup to ensure that every cup had the quoted 172ps power figure they said it did but non of the other clios have done.

I've seen a vRS with induction, recirc, TIP, full exhaust inc race cat and a jabba remap inc boost controller run 246bhp or near as makes no difference on 3 seperate rolling roads.

i've then seen another vRS with the same mods run as much as 10bhp less.

Fact is that no 2 cars will produce exactly the same maximum power.

Fact is that this guy had a cracking day out and found that on real roads in real conditions the vRS he has is a good and as quick as his mate in his CTR.

Fact is is that 1 person cannot really compare 2 cars unless you drive them back to back on the same roads on the same day in the same conditions.

I wanted a CTR and my brother bought one, i drove it and decided that i couldnt live with a car that had to be revved hard to perform to its full ability so i went for a vRS... the vRS suited my driving style and in my day to day drive to work and back was a match for anything in its price, weight, class and power bracket. infact anything with a bmw badge that was less than a 330ci was fair game.

i know, lets start a new thread...

My dad could have your dad !

I've found my revo'd but otherwise stock 4x4 is quicker in a straight line than a 54 plate CTR, but I'd not like to try round too many corners! I've driven on the roads between Whitby and Pickering and there are plenty of long straights to catch up on the gaps caused by the corners, but watch out for lots of unmarked old bill!

I left a CTR for dead on a slight incline in a golf GT TDI (170).

I tend to think it was more down to the driver of the CTR getting the revs wrong or being off the power spike when I decided I had had enough of him being on my rear bumper. I will say however that you could definately hear him revving the nuts off it.

these sort of thread make me chuckle... my cars faster than yours etc etc...

Bottom line is this, the guy and his mate go driving in the country and the vRS lives with the CTR in all conditions...

Shock horror no one believes a word of it and then the power and mods come into the equasion and the my cars got more power than yours thread takes over.

No two cars are the same where power is concerned, 1 can be bang on the book and the other could be slightly more or less from the factory. As far as i'm aware Skoda, Seat, Honda and half a dozen other manufacturers that we know and love to not bench mark their engines before bolting them into a car.

Renault did it with the 172 cup to ensure that every cup had the quoted 172ps power figure they said it did but non of the other clios have done.

I've seen a vRS with induction, recirc, TIP, full exhaust inc race cat and a jabba remap inc boost controller run 246bhp or near as makes no difference on 3 seperate rolling roads.

i've then seen another vRS with the same mods run as much as 10bhp less.

Fact is that no 2 cars will produce exactly the same maximum power.

Fact is that this guy had a cracking day out and found that on real roads in real conditions the vRS he has is a good and as quick as his mate in his CTR.

Fact is is that 1 person cannot really compare 2 cars unless you drive them back to back on the same roads on the same day in the same conditions.

I wanted a CTR and my brother bought one, i drove it and decided that i couldnt live with a car that had to be revved hard to perform to its full ability so i went for a vRS... the vRS suited my driving style and in my day to day drive to work and back was a match for anything in its price, weight, class and power bracket. infact anything with a bmw badge that was less than a 330ci was fair game.

i know, lets start a new thread...

My dad could have your dad !

My statement responded to the person who could 'leave a CTR for dead.' But as your too busy typing...

I left a CTR for dead on a slight incline in a golf GT TDI (170).

I tend to think it was more down to the driver of the CTR getting the revs wrong or being off the power spike when I decided I had had enough of him being on my rear bumper. I will say however that you could definately hear him revving the nuts off it.

That's where I gained too, on the inclines. Corners - no way Jose. On the flat and downhill it depended on the gear we were both in. I could also hear him giving it beans at the top of the rev range.

I didn't expect things to turn so serious really. Sorry folks for starting something that has got some of you wound up. It was just a couple of mates having a drive and I reported what my experience was. Maybe I shouldn't have started it all?

Not your fault mate! On the hills, you'll gain, you've got an extra 35-40lbs of torque to play with....

At the end of the day your all talking numbers, but what has been described here is real world A-B driving conditions hence why going on about 0-60 times, amount of BHP etc... is pretty much pointless, out on the roads the real thing that counts is low down grunt which I imagine the VRS has bags of as its Turbo'd and the CTR don't....... What has been described in the first post is no real suprise at all

Why the heck do you think the Fabia VRS causes so much excitment amongst its driver's... its only 130 bhp and has a 0-60 time of 8.5-9 seconds... dosen't sound much to shout about, but in normal every day driving conditions the tourque it produces is more than enough to stop higher BHP cars from over takeing it down a twisty country lane.. doesn't make it a faster car but means in the real world it can more than hold its own.

A lot of the arguments here are based on the assumption of what would happen if a CTR and a Octy I VRS were to go head to head down a drag strip, and at the end of the day who really gives a ****, both are mighty fine cars, but with different characteristics, and more than enough to provide everything you need for real world driving