Can anyone tell me why Diesel fuel incurs a higher rate of tax than petrol from our robbing government. It surely can't be for environmental reasons as the engnes are more efficient and put out less CO2.:confused:

Is it the government at all or is it the fuel companies taking advantage of the Diesels increased popularity? I'm (only) 30 but I can remember when Derv was 20p a litre cheaper than Petrol. I persnally think £1.06 that I am paying for regualar or £1.13 for V-Power that mainly use is outrageous.

i remember when it was cheeper. That were the days that the only dervs were trucks, vans and tractors.

now more and more cars are running derv the governement is just winding the tax up to reflect petrol prices!

It's because the government are c*nts.

Next question

I've always presumed it's now more expensive because a diesel car can [generally] run further on a litre of fuel than a petrol car....?

Any party who committed to reducing fuel duty would definitely get my vote!

I suspect it is down to the number of cars now on the road which means there is a lot more demand for it which means more infrastructure is needed which costs more money.

Much as I'd like to blame the government, I think it's the fuel barons who are pushing the current increases.

Chris

So why is this price disadvantage for diesel only really an issue in the UK. In the papers last year, wasn't it highlighted that, in most european countries, diesel remains the cheaper fuel ocer petrol?!

In spain, diesel is way cheaper than petrol, same in france. It cant be demand, because in France there are far more diesel cars than petrol because diesel is so much cheaper.

France: U/L = 100.9P Litre, Diesel 91.1P Litre

Spain: U/L = 81.4P Litre, Diesel 78.1P Litre.

In Holland, U/L is more expensive than here, but diesel is much cheaper.

NL: U/L = 113.3P Litre, Diesel 90P Litre.

As mentioned in previous threads....make the most of it while it's cheap....it will only get more expensive

I am not to worried about the cost here yet, because when I switched from petrol power to diesel my monthly fuel bill nearly halved.

I suspect it is down to the number of cars now on the road which means there is a lot more demand for it which means more infrastructure is needed which costs more money.

Much as I'd like to blame the government, I think it's the fuel barons who are pushing the current increases.

Chris

yes and no - like anything, increase demand a little and the price goes up, but now that derv is almost as common as petrol, the price of processing and delivereing one unit of derv is probably the same as 5-10 years ago!

its the bloody government.... *shakes fist at the sky*

In the continent diesel is taxed less than unleaded.

In the UK it's exactly the same

It wont be long before were shelling out £2 a litre, because of our greedy government..

Now their saying we'll have to fork out for the Nothern Rock **** up (about 2K per house hold).

If that's the case, i want shares.

Or at very least they should cut fuel duty to give something back to the Tax payers.

This Country is a load of Cr4p.

The soonest possible chance i get, im moving to New Zeland.

a few years ago Derv was about 5p cheaper than petrol.

Govt. has certainly increased the duty rate more than for petrol

during the last big fuel protests the Govt tried to appease the majority of motorists by not applying a proposed duty increase to petrol. However they did not relent on the similar increase on DERV - cynics might say that this was their way of sticking a finger up at the truckers that were at the forefront of the protests!

but it is also down to supply and demand - at peak efficiency crude oil is broken down to a set percentage of different grades - i.e. petrol, derv , kerosene, industrial stuff ect. If the ratio is changed to produce more of a certain product then the cost go up.

we got petrol on sunday to go to london and paid 104.9 for regular and super was 109.9 :(

It's because the government are c*nts.]

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the haulage association and some leading businesses are petitioning the government to stop the 2p tax in April as its damaging the economy. I read somewhere over the weekend that the government has made such a windfall on the price rises that they could afford to drop the price by 20p per litre.

It's outrageous that we have to pay fuel 'duty' and then pay Value Added TAX on top.

In the continent diesel is taxed less than unleaded.

In the UK it's exactly the same

Surely it is more since the cost to make derv is less since it is a by product of the cracking process and you end up with loads of it anyway when you crack crude. Indeed when making petrol derv is a waste product of this process.

Out of interest petrol was 121.9 euro and derv was 107.9 euro in belgium

It wont be long before were shelling out £2 a litre, because of our greedy government..

Now their saying we'll have to fork out for the Nothern Rock **** up (about 2K per house hold).

If that's the case, i want shares.

Or at very least they should cut fuel duty to give something back to the Tax payers.

This Country is a load of Cr4p.

The soonest possible chance i get, im moving to New Zeland.

Totally agree about the rock, where did they find that money from.

If the tax payer pays out then the tax payer should take control of the company and take the shares.

I'll be writing to my MP to ask why we are taking the risk and getting no benefit

Indeed when making petrol derv is a waste product of this process.

That was my understanding of it, too :thumbdwn:

That was my understanding of it, too :thumbdwn:

Mine too ( from what i can remember from school science)

I think this is the fourth time the price of fuel has been discussed on here in the last few months. yes there is a set fuel duty on fuel, and yes there is vat as well. but at the moment it is the fuel companies putting the price up not the government.

and as said before get used to it going up, at the moment fuel is cheap, it hasn't even kept up with inflation, BUT in three years time the world will be using more fuel than it can actually supply so expect to see prices rocket upwards the nearer you get to this time, it won't be going up a few pence at a time it will be going up by £s per litre as the law of supply and demand hits.....so if you want to make a long trip in three years time you should start saving NOW

It might go up but derv is a lower price in Euros elsewhere that it is in Pounds here.

Taking the ****!

I read that not as much diesel was made as petrol therefore refining costs were higher. Sounds like pants.

It was taxed lower until lots of people started switching to diesel and Gov realised it was missing out on pennies so it ramped up the tax under the excuse that diesel is dirty therefore evil.

They might have made a packet off fuel tax the last few years but Snot gobbler is about to lose a load of cash from VAT/Stamp duty when the retail sector goes titsup and the housing market bombs. He'll need the steady income from fuel tax to plug the gaps left by NR.

You can choose not to buy that big telly but you can't choose to not go to work.

No chance of decent public transport system while they see cash rolling in.

I think this is the fourth time the price of fuel has been discussed on here in the last few months. yes there is a set fuel duty on fuel, and yes there is vat as well. but at the moment it is the fuel companies putting the price up not the government.

and as said before get used to it going up, at the moment fuel is cheap, it hasn't even kept up with inflation, BUT in three years time the world will be using more fuel than it can actually supply so expect to see prices rocket upwards the nearer you get to this time, it won't be going up a few pence at a time it will be going up by £s per litre as the law of supply and demand hits.....so if you want to make a long trip in three years time you should start saving NOW

OK so why is it 25% cheaper in Europe? it is the same fuel, it IS the UK government that taxes too highly. Sure the OPEC cartel set the price for crude but it is up to the individual countries to add taxes to the base of that.

I dont agree with you regarding the increase of pounds per litre either , three years! no way. Engines will become more efficient and therfore use less fuel which will offset the costs to some extent in the future.

And I agree that the supply is decreasing but theyare also finding new reserves such as the new field off the coast or brasil.

Making people think about consumption is a very good thing and might stop people buying stupid cars like the Range Rover Sport but it should not be just to line the coffers of the treasury IMHO.

A healthy debate!