Hi,

I'm looking at a new car and i've decived that i can't live with the tramlining from low profile tyres that you get from a vrs. (and I think overall i'd rather not have sports suspension - pity you can't get the 2.0tfsi engine in a 'ambient' spec car)

SO, how much slower is the std 2.0 Tdi (140hp) in gear compared with the petrol 2.0tfsi vrs engine ?

ie, if I'm stuck behind a sunday driver doing 40mph, what's the best for overtaking ? ie what are the comparitive 40-80 times ?

I know the engine torque is more for the diesel - but what about the gearing ? and the narrow power band ?

I'm hoping to test a car this w/end, but would value your opinions !

cheers

Gareth.

anyone know the gear box ratios for the two cars ?

also, to add confusion to the debate, anyone compare a remapped 2.0tdi with a stock vrs ? esp. 3rd gear acceleration.

cheers,

Gareth.

No comparisons I'm afraid, I'v eonly driven the TDI PD140.

Its economical, but quick enough for most A-Road overtaking. Certainly much quicker than the 1.7CDTI Astra I had before

I do find that sometimes you do need to change gear when overtaking, but that's not a problem.

ie, if I'm stuck behind a sunday driver doing 40mph, what's the best for overtaking ? ie what are the comparitive 40-80 times ?

Gareth.

I reckon that you'd be past him before he even realised, to be honest! :revs::revs::revs: :chqflag:

I reckon that you'd be past him before he even realised, to be honest!

well, I want enough torque/power to get by quickly and without any drama.

A petrol engine shouldn't run out of revs, but a deisel might...

G.

The 2.0TFSI would be 3rd gear all the way from 40-80 seriously quickly. Diesel would be still pretty swift, but would need a change from 3rd to 4th.

The 2.0TFSI would be 3rd gear all the way from 40-80 seriously quickly. Diesel would be still pretty swift, but would need a change from 3rd to 4th.

The Diesel would have been in 4th in the first place

Chris

not for ultimate acceleration he wouldn't be.

I'm looking at a new car and i've decived that i can't live with the tramlining from low profile tyres that you get from a vrs. (and I think overall i'd rather not have sports suspension - pity you can't get the 2.0tfsi engine in a 'ambient' spec car)

You should include a 1.8TFSI in your test drives. It is a seriously nice engine, pulls very well from quite low revs, supposed to get good economy and is available in the non-vRS spec (ie std tyres and suspension). I liked it quite a lot, but preferred the steering response, handling and interior kit in the Oz vRS so thats what I ordered.

not for ultimate acceleration he wouldn't be.

Depends if he's chipped too

Anyway, I think the answer to the question is to go out and test drive the two models.

In terms of chipping the 140 (using REVO website figures), it will go to 185 BHP and 285 FT/LT, making it vRS TDI territory. enough for safe overtaking (even in 4th Tom )

Chris

Anyway, I think the answer to the question is to go out and test drive the two models.

Chris

I'm asking the question because I don't know much about cars and I can't testdrive the cars back-to-back 'cause they're at different dealers. And I'm sure people will have firmer views if they have had more than 1/2 hour test-drive. If I had a day driving in each, I'd probably know the answer !

Gareth

I'm asking the question because I don't know much about cars and I can't testdrive the cars back-to-back 'cause they're at different dealers. And I'm sure people will have firmer views if they have had more than 1/2 hour test-drive. If I had a day driving in each, I'd probably know the answer !

Gareth

So how do you know you can't live with the tramlining then if you have not driven the car for more than 30 minutes?

To be honest I hadn't noticed any tramlining effect from my vRS :confused:

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Chris

Go for the PD140 with the DSG box - gear changes so fast you wont even notice and if you drop into Sport for the overtake you'll fly.

Go for the PD140 with the DSG box - gear changes so fast you wont even notice and if you drop into Sport for the overtake you'll fly.

At least test drives one with DSG

I fully agree with the DSG sentiment

.

I have the Elegance DSG and it do go.

I had a passenger with me who was not used to the Octy. We left a 40 mph limit on a secondary road that is straight but goes up a steep hill. In front of me were 2 cars and a lorry. I could see something coming the other way in the distance. Having decided that it was a lorry I thought I would give it a go as I could always slot in between either car.

My passenger wailed "are you sure!!!!" :eek::eek::eek:

Well the car went like a rocket and I cleared the lot with loads of time in hand.

It's fair to say that we were both mighty impressed.

No need to worry which gear you are in as it is always the right one. I understand that the changes are far quicker than can obtained by the slickest of manual drivers. In fact there is a video on youtube somewhere that demonstrates that.

The car is without drive for about 8 mS during a change!

Can't comment on an octy TFSI, but my Audi A4 Sline 2.0TFSI would run rings round a 2.0 140 TDI.

The 2.0TFSI would be 3rd gear all the way from 40-80 seriously quickly. Diesel would be still pretty swift, but would need a change from 3rd to 4th.

Not at all, i'd either boot it in 4th or 5th in a 2.0 TDI (6 speed box don't forget) and be well past anything in the way without a gear change. 5th would probably be better from 45 but it wouldn't be an issue.

Go for the PD140 with the DSG box - gear changes so fast you wont even notice and if you drop into Sport for the overtake you'll fly.

You don’t need to drop into sport as the standard setting works the same when flooring it i.e. it drops right down the box and (sadly) changes up at the red line. I would recommend flooring it to provoke kick-down and then manually nudging up a gear before 4,000 rpm starts to loosen you fillings.

‘Sport’ tends to hold the lower gears more and is great for cross country sprints where you don’t want to be forever making the kick-down hunt for the lowest usable gear. Also it aids slowing a tad with better engine braking owing to the general use of lower gears.

I think the above quote originally came from Octavia5 and Ivan had accidentally incorporated the quote into his reply to the thread. he has since removed the quote himself. Well it makes sense to me.

ie, if I'm stuck behind a sunday driver doing 40mph, what's the best for overtaking ? ie what are the comparitive 40-80 times ?

Based on my experiences over Salisbury Plain this week the TFSI is more than adequate if you want to overtake cars 4-6 at a time..... haven't got any specific times but is f*ckin quick

The 2.0TFSI would be 3rd gear all the way from 40-80 seriously quickly.

Just like my old PD 130 with the stage 2 turbodynamics turbo:P

no comparison at all between the PD140 and the 2.0TFSi as the petrol would be amazingly quicker. the 2.0T engine has amazing midrange torque(207lbft as standard and 300+once remapped :eek: )

What bengie said, my previous TFSi would absolutely muller my current 140DSG on overtakes. Very flexible motor.

Crap video quality, but my old vRS from 30mph in 3rd gear

YouTube - Octy vRS Mk2 3rd gear roll on

no comparison at all between the PD140 and the 2.0TFSi as the petrol would be amazingly quicker. the 2.0T engine has amazing midrange torque(207lbft as standard and 300+once remapped :eek: )

300+ remapped? Most remaps I have looked at are significantly less than 300lbft...

have a look on the following link at the stage 2 revo'd cars make 300lbft+

JKM Rolling Road day Gallery