Graham Butcher

I've not singled out EV, all I did was post a report where a claim had been made and won. I never said you mentioned diesel either, I did and asked why is diesel having claims? Why is PPI also having claims, I did that as an example. The only chip I have on my shoulder is about people having the option of ICE cars being slowly removed from them. Ask yourself the question, when ICE was first introduced all those years ago, do you think that bikes and horses and steam were removed as an option? ICE became the dominant means of transport by people favouring it over the other choices. Do you actually know that the same won't happen with EVs?

IIRC from the original broadcast, heating was used, but AC was not as the compressor robs engine power regardless of whether the AC is actually cooling or not, it serves another purpose of dehumidifying the air.

Why is diesel being singled out, we have all seen and heard the adverts, but the fact remains that it is because these companies pressing the claims all make serious money from every successful claim, the same applies to all the PPI claims.

Just trying to be helpful and prevent folk going off at a tangent with OTT reactions all the time.

To answer your question, no, he did not do it without stopping. He even stayed overnight in Edinburgh and this was even highlighted in the short videos. Seeing as this was 21 years ago, there was zero reference to EVs so that was not the reason the trail was carried out for. I think the reason was that it was around the time that diesel was being hailed as the fuel of the fuel and how economical it was seeing as it was 4 litre engine and at the time was the worlds most powerful diesel engine fitted to a standard production car. TBH I only posted that as a response to the post made by Ootohere about Audi getting into bother 11 years ago claiming better MPG than drivers were supposedly able to get from their cars, and that 10 years aft the Top Gear experiment which I expect was done in support of showing diesel as being a good choice of motive power. We all know that the actual mpg you get from any car regardless of it being an EV, Petrol or Diesel, will be considerably lower than claimed if you are using all the gadgets and AC, carrying extra weight and or driving in a spirited fashion or with under inflated tyres.

@wyx087 Thanks for sharing that video, but he did still have to stop and charge on that trip, whereas the Audi filled up in London and drove to Edinburgh and back to the same garage in London without any further filling, only filling after reaching the garage, so not quite the same is it, but still pretty impressive though. But I do wish people would not always use the "home charging" guff when not everyone who has an EV has the ability to do home charging and so very often have to rely on the public network which can around 79p a kW which completely blows the cost comparison to shreds. Why can't they assume the usage of public charge network as a given, the reader will be well aware that if charging from home, then the costs would far more favourable for the EV. Grrr.

Sorry if you think I'm trying to teach you, I'm not, merely posting something that may or may not be of interest to other members, it is up to the reader to evaluate if it interests them or not, same as it is when you and others post anything. If it is guff or not, again that is personal opinion. As to the class lawsuits, that has long been my opinion, and one that I posted about and drawn comparisons between it and diesel gate, so nothing new there. Do I hate EV cars?, hell no, I love all kinds of cars, but I have said that we should be able to freely choose the type of car that suits our own individual needs, seems perfectly logical to me. As to charging to 80% or 100% is akin to filling up a fuel tank to 80% or 100%, it will clearly make an impact on the range you can cover before refuelling is required. But the difference to my mind is that filling a tank to 80% or 100% has zero affect on the degradation or the lifespan of the tank, or the car overall, what it will mean is that if you are only doing short trips and you fill the tank, you are carrying a lot of excess weight which is not the case with a battery.

No, he had heating, but could not use the AC but he did use the radio, listened so he claimed to radio 2.

Meanwhile, there are others here who claim that it is wrong to charge above 80% on a regular basis and will shorten the lifespan of the battery and lead to faster degradation of its capacity, so who is correct and who is sprouting guff. Audi have had an V8 A8 driven by JC on Top Gear from London to Edinburgh and back again on 1 tank full of diesel which actually bettered their own WLTP figures and Audi even predicted that it was impossible to do that 800 mile trip on a single tank, but it did, proving that you really can if driven very carefully achieve the claimed figures. Has anyone ever managed to similar with an EV?

I had thought that there would class lawsuits being brought against makers of EV cars because of the claimed ranges not being achievable between charges, especially when you are supposed not to charge above 80% of its capacity to prolong the battery life. It now looks like that is highly likely to happen after a motorist took his claim to the ombudsman and won. I wonder how long it will be before adverts start appearing along the lines of the diesel gate ones? Volt(e)-face! How motorist took on electric car giant… and won | Daily Mail Online

And what is your secret for living so long, has anyone told Guinness about you being 157?

I also don't think that the engine braking on a petrol is as good as it is on a diesel, thanks to the lower compression ratios.

With my diesel, if I put the mode into ECO and I'm doing more than 20mph, if I lift off the throttle the car goes into ECO mode and coasts and it can cover pretty good distance when coasting before I feel the need to give it a spurt of power again, providing the road is level or downhill. A quick dab on the brake pedal will restore some engine braking, another spurt on the juice and lift off and the car is once again coasting. If I go into the mode settings and select normal, the car no longer coasts and engine braking is also noticeably greater. There is a manual mode where I can select a lower gear when engine braking and the effect is even more pronounced, so it is possible with a little practise to use the brakes only for the final few yards before stopping.

But it is a sign that people are having to obey.

What do you mean eventually, they are already doing that 😉