Research by the AA has showed that high fuel prices now mean that a new diesel car buyer would have to drive 43,000 miles to beat the cost of owning a petrol car. This is based on the higher cost of a new diesel car and the cost of diesel at the pump rising faster than petrol.

another reason why i bought a petrol.....

'The dash for diesel continues in the UK, with motorists primarily trying to reduce their fuel costs, but with the added benefit of reduced CO2 emissions. However, diesel is more expensive than petrol and the differential is growing. Consequently, buying a diesel is not an automatic switch to cut-price motoring - particularly at current prices.'

He went on: 'For many low-mileage divers, buying a diesel is a false economy. The AA urges anyone considering the switch to a diesel car to research their motoring costs thoroughly, including start-up costs, fuel efficiency, tax disc band, annual mileage - and leeway in their calculations for petrol-diesel price changes.'

totally agree,

though for me, with 120,000 expected in 4 years, and CC tax to think of, has to be Diesel.

fair enough. at least the 170CR is bearable and better than many manufacturers' diesel offerings. get it with the DSG and it becomes better.

Do you have excess stock of petrol cars you're trying to clear or something?

Research by the AA has showed that high fuel prices now mean that a new diesel car buyer would have to drive 43,000 miles to beat the cost of owning a petrol car. This is based on the higher cost of a new diesel car and the cost of diesel at the pump rising faster than petrol.

another reason why i bought a petrol.....

This was shown to be complete crap last time it was posted and discussed here , and fuel prices are now falling rather than rising.....

Yes, but I get the feeling the guy obviously works for the JCB dealership and we all know how sales people would never spin anything for their own good

This was shown to be complete crap last time it was posted and discussed here , and fuel prices are now falling rather than rising.....

I agree, and even the differential between diesel and petrol is once again falling bringing diesel back to the fore again.

thread moved to general car chat.

Do people still buy diesels to save on fuel bills?

Cheaper tax, lower insurance group, less pollution than the petrol equivalent, more torque, different driving experience - suited to economical motorway driving and overtaking.....

Im also fairly sure - in fact certain - that the price difference between diesel models and the petrol equivalent is usually way less than 1k in most cases, which with the savings on the tax, insurance, and fuel - it doesnt take long to offset the extra cost?

Or did I miss something?

I agree, and even the differential between diesel and petrol is once again falling bringing diesel back to the fore again.

thread moved to general car chat.

....where it will drag on for weeks again

At the end of the day there are some very good diesels that are a lot more economical than the closest petrol equivalent that will very quickly recoup the extra cost , and then there are some that don't.

Skodas seem to be predominately in the former category , but if anyone wants to buy a petrol thinking it's going to be a lot cheaper then that's their choice.

Do people still buy diesels to save on fuel bills?

Cheaper tax, lower insurance group, less pollution than the petrol equivalent, more torque, different driving experience - suited to economical motorway driving and overtaking.....

Im also fairly sure - in fact certain - that the price difference between diesel models and the petrol equivalent is usually way less than 1k in most cases, which with the savings on the tax, insurance, and fuel - it doesnt take long to offset the extra cost?

Or did I miss something?

Just that a diesel will tend to retain some of the price difference come resale time

Or did I miss something?

Don't think so, you summed it up quite nicely

EDIT: Plus a diesel will probably be more desirable in a large car than petrol when you come to sell it.

Just that a diesel will tend to retain some of the price difference come resale time

Thanks for that , and yes you are quite right. So all in all - will owning a diesel actually cost you more OVERALL? Probably not no.

Who the fluck buys a car new anyway?!

Surely if you're buying a brand new car you aren't very savvy with money anyway...

Losing 17.5% of its value as soon as you drive off the forecourt FTMFL

Who the fluck buys a car new anyway?!

Surely if you're buying a brand new car you aren't very savvy with money anyway...

Losing 17.5% of its value as soon as you drive off the forecourt FTMFL

Me , twice.

Both times I got a very large discount of list price so I didn't pay much more than you would have done for a 9 month old car and I got the full manufacturers warranty and the choice of exactly the vehicle I wanted.

As I do a lot of miles a year I need the warranty and didn't want to be stuck with the choice of cars that I could find second hand.

You may "lose" 15% of the value immediately but that's if you are trading it in straight away which clearly you aren't going to do , and that car would end up back on a forecourt very soon and not far below list price.

Not this old chestnut again, I have a diesel 1,9 fabia because I like diesel engines, like getting 60 mpg,on a run , fabia 3 all paid for money spent, thank for reminding us about our foolish decision for buying derv. but the good side is we can have a party to celebrate reaching the magic 43000 and stop losing sleep worrying this about this nerdy rubbish which is rearing its ugly head again cheers Mellyboy

Me , twice.

Both times I got a very large discount of list price so I didn't pay much more than you would have done for a 9 month old car and I got the full manufacturers warranty and the choice of exactly the vehicle I wanted.

As I do a lot of miles a year I need the warranty and didn't want to be stuck with the choice of cars that I could find second hand.

You may "lose" 15% of the value immediately but that's if you are trading it in straight away which clearly you aren't going to do , and that car would end up back on a forecourt very soon and not far below list price.

Fair enough on the two above points.

Not this old chestnut again, I have a diesel 1,9 fabia because I like diesel engines, like getting 60 mpg,on a run ,

like not having to drop 2 gears every time I reach a 30mph speed limit, like "driving" feet off in traffic jams, like just legal A-road cruising at 2_000 rpm or less,

Fair enough on the two above points.

At the end of the day I get a car allowance from work and use this to buy and run a car which I need to be reliable and have a relatively predictable cost to run. This doesn't need to be the cheapest to run , but it does need to (hopefully) come at a cost that I can calculate in advance and set against my income.

Buying new makes that a lot easier as I don't want to buy something a bit older , run out of warranty and then get an expensive bill such as a blown turbo as happened a few months back.

Fortunately I was still under warranty so it didn't cost me a penny , but it's a good reminder of why I like new cars.

If I was doing a different job with no car allowance and less mileage I'd be driving something totally different and would almost certainly have bought second hand

like not having to drop 2 gears every time I reach a 30mph speed limit, like "driving" feet off in traffic jams, like just legal A-road cruising at 2_000 rpm or less,

you have clearly never driven the 1.8T !! i have an A6 1.8T manual and round roundabouts in 4th/5th . torque kicks in at about 2250 revs and its very much like a TDi except it doesnt run out of puff at 4000. feet off will be easy cos ive ordered the DSG !!!!

oh yeah - and did i mention its really quiet on tick over

and it doesnt sound like a bag of spanners

and i can get 40 mpg on a long run

and i enjoy driving it

and its my money so i will do what i like

and i want to buy a new car cos ive got the money and am fed up of trailing round the net / forecourts looking for exactly what i want

then theres the HPi checks

and the service history checks

bla bla bla

so brand new petrol car it is for me please !!!

I'd like to say that money is no object to me - alas it isn't.

When I was vRS hunting I'll be honest - Petrol or Diesel, it all came down to which one I preferred driving.

I took out both - I preferred the petrol, so the 2.0 TFSI is what I purchased.

For me, I've got to enjoy the car I own.

I can't decide, that's why I've got 2 VAG wagons, one TDI and one TFSI

you have clearly never driven the 1.8T !! i have an A6 1.8T manual and round roundabouts in 4th/5th . torque kicks in at about 2250 revs and its very much like a TDi except it doesnt run out of puff at 4000. feet off will be easy cos ive ordered the DSG !!!!

oh yeah - and did i mention its really quiet on tick over

and it doesnt sound like a bag of spanners

and i can get 40 mpg on a long run

and i enjoy driving it

and its my money so i will do what i like

and i want to buy a new car cos ive got the money and am fed up of trailing round the net / forecourts looking for exactly what i want

then theres the HPi checks

and the service history checks

bla bla bla

so brand new petrol car it is for me please !!!

Torque comes in at idle, and arrives with a wallop at 1_500

Quiet on tickover, except when it's tappety because it needs a service (like now).

Doesn't sound like a bag of spanners

Can't force it below 50mpg in the UK

I enjoy driving it.

And when did I mention new cars? :P

I think the guy is a dealer troll myself.

My overall average on my old 220bhp PD130 was 39-43 mpg. My Remapped 2.0T with the same driving is 31mpg. So power for power the derv will do around 9 or 10 mpg more.