I asked him re Borg Warners comment about the kO3s being limited to 215,and...

My understanding was that the KO3S had a compressor stage similar to the KO4 But it's not info I reviewed from Borg Warner, who rarely releases any info. We can reliably tune these to 215 hp, any more and you are risking turbo and engine longevity. The difference between a standard KO3 and the KO4-01 is only around 30 kw anyway.Most KO4 files we have done have dyno'd in the 230-235 region

so,Des was right,any RR that gives 230 for a KO3 is very close to seriously reducing your engine and turbo,or its just bull****

Excuse my ignorance, but which turbo would be in mine, a MY03 Tavia vRS?

Cheers

Steve

K03S

Mine on the other hand wasn't a standard turbo

or its just bull****

But didn't we sort of know this already?

So how many members' Octavias have blown their engines and/or turbos because they have been tuned beyond the safe limits of the turbo, ie 215bhp?

Or how many of us are running 215bhp when we think we are running 230? Me included!

Steve

Or how many people are just being given sweeteners by other tuners to "rubbish" the opposition ??

All the tuners rubbish all the other tuners!

Sure as eggs is eggs

Steve

Makes me wonder how many people who go to other tuners would kick up this stink if they got dyno plots showing in excess of 220 Bhp..

My guess would be somewhere in the region of.....none

Or how many of us are running 215bhp when we think we are running 230? Me included!

Steve

Or less than 215bhp. :eek: when we think we are running 230. :thumbdwn: like 195bhp-200bhp (with chip ONLY) which is nearer the truth

So how many members' Octavias have blown their engines and/or turbos because they have been tuned beyond the safe limits of the turbo, ie 215bhp?

I think the question here is how many people have been told they have 230bhp only to go on another set of rollers and get 195bhp, will this blow your engine/turbo, I think not.

Why does everyone get bogged down on figures. Everyone thats had a remap seems to love the way their car performs, and surely thats what counts. We should maybe start measuring performance in spm (Smiles Per Mile) instead of BHP

Cheers

Ventmore

im not really into figures, but if for instance my car was uning 180bhp before remap and whats being suggested i may only have 195bhp or even 200. i really wont believe. because 15bhp cant make my car as fast as it is now!!

having said that im not saying my 224bhp is 100% correct, it might be lower. but it still must be quite high as my car is far faster now than when standard so im happy

my car is far faster now than when standard so im happy

And there it is in a nutshell.

Once certain people learn to stop stirring it and accept we're all happy with our various mods, we can move on and concentrate on enjoying the cars.

And there it is in a nutshell.

Once certain people learn to stop stirring it and accept we're all happy with our various mods' date=' we can move on and concentrate on enjoying the cars.[/quote']

Im only getting dyno'ed on sunday because im curious... if it only gets 160.. i dont care... as it still feels f**kin fast to me at the end of the day, its a bit of paper to say its remapped.. bit like a qualification certificates (alevel... gcse etc) .. looks good but means diddly squat in real life

Or how many people are just being given sweeteners by other tuners to "rubbish" the opposition ??

What have you heard Geoff?

Was a question Richard, you tell me

I haven't heard any complaints yet about rolling road readings which show 'standard' engines producing better than the manufacturer's figures - in fact quite the opposite. But once the engines have been remapped, for some reason 'after' readings on the same rolling roads become highly suspect. :confused:

manufacturer's figures are given as a guaranteed minimum figure

Fair point Denis, and did Skoda UK not tell a certain "esteemed" member that the RS engine was only rated to circa 200Bhp?

If so, we're all going to be looking for new motors soon

Was a question Richard, you tell me

Well my answer to that would be that I haven't heard of anyone being offered sweetners. Your comment implied otherwise. I was just interested to hear if you had more information.

Just a rumour or 2, nothing i can prove, but that doesn't stop others posting hearsay does it?

He knew the comment was from the UK,so had no need to trash other tuners

He is the moderator from the bbs,so has to pick his words carefully

Being a Director of a tuning company,he is unlikely to advertise the fact he can 'only' go to a certain bhp unless he has a very good reputation for accurate tuning (how many UK tuners are that honest?)

or is it just weapons grade denial on behalf of UK customers when refusing to believe their rolling road readouts might actually not be 230bhp with a KO3s? :eek:

mind you,Scooby tuning is worse,everyone claims 275bhp for a decat

anyway,a vRS mapped is fast enough so who cares

anyway,a vRS mapped is fast enough so who cares

Spot on.

Just saying (from past experience) if your car really is running 230bhp with JUST A CHIP/REMAP start saving your pennies, you're going to need them.

or is it just weapons grade denial on behalf of UK customers when refusing to believe their rolling road readouts might actually not be 230bhp with a KO3s? :eek:

I believe a certain well respected UK tuner stated in a recent VW magazine that 220bhp was the absolute max (safe) output for a remap of an engine with a K03 turbo. Also, I believe a) that the fuel supply capacity is max'ed when the turbo is max'ed (or there abouts i.e. 215bhp) the 1.8T engine changes from a closed loop to open loop control system when on full throttle i.e. no feedback of O2/air:fuel ratio .This would suggest any higher figure than 220 bhp was either a) optimistic or running dangerously lean. :eek:

IMO of course!