@ CRC

All this oil stuff is supposed to be for the 1.9 PD engine, iirc the 2.5 isn't a PD engine but a VE one, the main reason the oil issue surfaces is supposed to be because the oil lubes the injector's under high pressure, I've also been told that other oils eat the injector loom in the head, tosh imo, more like sub standard sheathing on VAG's part if their master plan of fitting deliberate corroding pins to the suspension, anyway I've covered 30k with 2 oil changes on an engine that now has 81k on it and it still sounds as it did when I bought it, there are varying opinion's as to what to use, I found one quote saying if you go to Ford you can buy the oil for the Galaxy at half what VW want for it, another poster states other high quality oil won't damage the engines but won't take advantage of the technology of them, I assume that's fuel consumption he means, but mine still does the same MPG on VX oil as it did with VAG oil, I've also seen that the VE engine can go 30k before a change, I wouldn't recommend it myself, I guess the choice is yours in the end bud, and lets not forget the don't flush your engine or fuel system myths as well, funny how dealers flush both when a poor running car is booked to them, that's VAG and Skoda dealers, couldn't possibly be a case of if we make ppl gunge their cars up by the time 60k comes they will need expensive repairs could it, I've never owned such a fussy car tbh, can't use this can't use that, I think VX is calling again now the new boy has arrived, you've bought a nice car that unfortunately is made by a firm with the class of a drug dealer.

@ Auroan

And what exactly are the specs then, 505,506,507 I wish they'd make their mind up, because to spec 507 in a car that was able to use 505 a few years ago says 505 isn't up to it either, if you can't see you are being conned into buying their oil that's your problem not mine, I know what I use is well capable of lubing this engine, and I have another £37 in my pocket each time that you don't.

@ Auroan

And what exactly are the specs then, 505,506,507 I wish they'd make their mind up, because to spec 507 in a car that was able to use 505 a few years ago says 505 isn't up to it either, if you can't see you are being conned into buying their oil that's your problem not mine, I know what I use is well capable of lubing this engine, and I have another £37 in my pocket each time that you don't.

I don't pay dealer prices for my oil. And I stick to the std because my motor is on variable service. The new 507 spec was developed for the latest dpf based engines due to something to do with ash content on any burnt oil (will have to find the article I read regarding this) damageing the dpf when using lesser specs. It just so happens that 507 can also be used in all PD based engines on the longlife schedule.

The car is on variable servicing at the moment, the last (only) service was 19K miles, and it's now done 28K, so it's done about 9k miles and the oil looks BLACK.

Don't get too hung up on the colour of the oil, ALL new diesel oil turns black within about 10 seconds of the engine running, you cannot determine the condition of the oil purely on the look of it like you can in a petrol car.

if you can't see you are being conned into buying their oil that's your problem not mine, I know what I use is well capable of lubing this engine, and I have another £37 in my pocket each time that you don't.

But who buys their oil from a dealer anyway? (who still don't make it)

Sorry i forgot you do, but then in your world where Vauxhall can't do any wrong they are welcome to you.

Please remind us all just HOW long have you been banging that drum about going back to them? Judging by the date you joined Briskoda it must be getting close to 18 months now?

Sorry i forgot you do, but then in your world where Vauxhall can't do any wrong they are welcome to you.

Please remind us all just HOW long have you been banging that drum about going back to them? Judging by the date you joined Briskoda it must be getting close to 18 months now?

Well lets put it this way, at least they can make a car that doesn't need "special oil" new CV joints every 60k and boots every 6 mths, and charge a reasonable price for it all as well, dealer's that fix your car, Skoda if they don't fancy it blag you off, my car has had an engine mount gone soft since the day I had it, yet Skoda can find nothing wrong with it, or don't want to, but an engine vibration on starting on a slight sideways slope and a brake pedal that reports everytime you go over a bump suggest's to me a mount, probably the one on the turbo side, I could go into the more serious side of things like turbos,egr and autobox failures but I really can't be bothered, most of you are bought and paid for by VAG, well yer welcome to em, and why is it when someone question's the faith you go all clique'y on them, I'm not the only user here to notice it either, without wishing to offend the 4 ppl here who I can actually get along with and have discussion and help for, I won't miss it at all here when PX time comes, oh yeah, there's another myth as well VAG cars hold their money, Horse **** my car is devaluing at the same rate a VX does, only the VX is 3k cheaper to buy in the 1st place, now if it makes you feel better continue to spread the VAG oil message, but I'm old enough and wise enough to know when someones trying to have me over, I worked for VAG back in the 80's so I know nothing about them do I

I will be among the first (and have been) to slate Skoda dealers for their 'service', however find a good one and you are laughing.

Vauxhall are far from perfect either (the one Nr. Cannock are a joke!)

My local Skoda dealer is IMO pretty good from the limited experience i have of them, (i do all my own work on the car) the parts guy is knowledgeable and helpful - he even phoned the VW dealer over the road to see if they had a part in stock! (which they did). However the one about 50 miles from me i wouldn't trust with a go kart - they 'serviced' my car 3 times from new and skimped on a few items (before i bought the car)

Touch wood, but i have only needed to do routine servicing on my car in the 2 years i have owned it (i did the water ingress mod, before it was a problem) the same can be said for my previous Octavia.

The cars are far from perfect, but do your research BEFORE you buy one and you can eliminate a lot of the problems by buying the right car in the first place.

As for depreciation are you having a laugh? An example

A 2008 1.9 Vectra CDTi with 3K on the clock for £10k from a main dealer, or

A 2008 1.9 TDi Superb CLASSIC for £11k from a s/h car sales site.

Note the Superb is a base model and the Superb has always depreciated more than say an Octavia..

I know which one i would rather be driving, I even moved away from BMW to buy my first Skoda!

I use genuine VAG filters and their spec oil (from opie) the spec is IMO there for a reason and VAG don't make a penny from me buying their spec oil.

You're quoting dealer prices, I'm quoting PX figures, mine was 11k when I looked at it, 10k when I viewed it and I gave £9250 for it on the day, had a valuation against a 12k car a few weeks ago, .....we are delighted to offer you 3k for your car sir, sad thing is that's about all it's worth now, so that's £6250 depreciation in 20 mths, Vectra I had was bought for £9500, wrote off at £7300 and I'd been offered £6500 px a few weeks before, this was after 17 mths, a loss of £3k, so it's 3k on the Vec, 6k on the Superb, the Vectra was newer by 6 mths also, it just goes to show how overpriced Skoda price the cars at second hand.

As for dealers, I grant you there are good and bad, my local Skoda one is shocking, my local VW one has been nothing other than helpful.

Just noticed you mention the oil fliter, I've just bought a VAG one, and it's the same as a GSF one other than the box, why pay more for the same, this is my point bud.

It's all very well quoting PX figures, but we all know they have fallen through the floor in today's economic climate - some dealer won't even give you a PX, even more so when they then realize the car was a taxi so ultimately has to go to auction so there is no money in it for them.

Just noticed you mention the oil fliter, I've just bought a VAG one, and it's the same as a GSF one other than the box, why pay more for the same, this is my point bud.

Providing you are comparing two items made by the same company to the exact same spec, i fully agree.

Where i don't agree are two item made by different company's made to different specs, but you then assume (with no proof) they are to the same quality or better.

It's all very well quoting PX figures, but we all know they have fallen through the floor in today's economic climate - some dealer won't even give you a PX, even more so when they then realize the car was a taxi so ultimately has to go to auction so there is no money in it for them.

Providing you are comparing two items made by the same company to the exact same spec, i fully agree.

Where i don't agree are two item made by different company's made to different specs, but you then assume (with no proof) they are to the same quality or better.

My car is looked after fully, it's kept in tip top condition as well, I'm the only driver of it and it gets less of a bashing than most personal cars, three times I've px'd cars that have ended up on the forecourts of national chains because when they've looked them over they couldn't find anything wrong with them, try a px on yours and I bet the value is the same, the VAG slow depreciation works one way, for the VAG dealer not us.

Assuming the filters etc are good quality, hmm, well the GSF ones I use are endorsed by quite a few members here including Baker,Roto and Bluefox to name a few, so I guess we are all wrong and we will all end up with blown engines, and of course Roto knows nothing about engines does he and Baker's car isn't on it's way to 200k either, now let me let you in on a secret, they are made by the same ppl to the same spec's, it's just the branding is different, now if having VAG written on a filter is going to improve it's performance, then I suppose you are right.

Providing you are comparing two items made by the same company to the exact same spec, i fully agree.

Where i don't agree are two item made by different company's made to different specs, but you then assume (with no proof) they are to the same quality or better.

If you re read what i actually said rather what you thought i said then you will see i am talking about OE quality OR BETTER.

The price i paid for the filter from the dealer was IMO very good, so much so that i doubt GSF could be much cheaper, especially when you add the free sump plug that was included (why they don't just supply a new copper washer is beyond me tho') not to mention the screenwash that was thrown in.

You only need to look at serviceable item at a motor factors like Halfords to realize that the dealer isn't always the dearer option.

What i should of made clearer though was most of the comment quoted i was actually referring to the oil, being the right spec.

Mmm I think it is time you took this discussion elsewhere!

I'm still not sure what the minimum spec is for a 2.5 V6 running on fixed service intervals.

I think it's VW 505 00 .........

If you re read what i actually said rather what you thought i said then you will see i am talking about OE quality OR BETTER.

The price i paid for the filter from the dealer was IMO very good, so much so that i doubt GSF could be much cheaper, especially when you add the free sump plug that was included (why they don't just supply a new copper washer is beyond me tho') not to mention the screenwash that was thrown in.

You only need to look at serviceable item at a motor factors like Halfords to realize that the dealer isn't always the dearer option.

What i should of made clearer though was most of the comment quoted i was actually referring to the oil, being the right spec.

No, to sum up what you have been saying all along is that I know nothing about cars or the ppl that make them.

I've worked for VX,VAG,Datsun/Nissan,Renault and Ford previously, and all will tell you need something from them that you can buy cheaper elsewhere, aircon service for example, £40 - £60 with them, £2.99 if you buy a can of anti bac and spray it in the car with the recirculation activated, I remember the days when ppl used to sneer at Miller's oils without knowing anything about the company or their product.

And my final say to you is the VAG oil you quote has written on it the same A and B specs as the VX oil plus the 500 denomination, but the quality of the oils is the same.

Now I do apollogise for daring to stand up for another brand of car here, but I can assure you the VX ethic is a much better one than the VAG one, never before have I had a customer support team member speak to me like the Skoda one did over the phone, I've nothing much against the cars but the firm stinks full stop.

If you wish to pay more for the same that's up to you, personally I don't, I can full service the car for less than what VAG ask for the "special" oil.

I think each has had their say now, but this discussion isnt adding to the thread anymore and isnt helping the chap who made an enquiry, I like a good discussion as much as the next, but I don't think any further value is to be added by discussing the oil issues here.

I think each has had their say now, but this discussion isnt adding to the thread anymore and isnt helping the chap who made an enquiry, I like a good discussion as much as the next, but I don't think any further value is to be added by discussing the oil issues here.

I'm done Duff, there's nothing more to add to what I've said already anyway.

Unless we go into a Harry Hill 'Fiiiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhhhhttttttt!'

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Mod hat off even if it's off topic but I just need to clarify something

I've worked for VX,VAG,Datsun/Nissan,Renault and Ford previously,

You worked for them direct or at a dealer ? If a dealer don't talk nonsense. You are working for a francise and you are were NOT directly employed by any of them.

Mod hat off even if it's off topic but I just need to clarify something

You worked for them direct or at a dealer ? If a dealer don't talk nonsense. You are working for a francise and you are were NOT directly employed by any of them.

I'm done , there's nothing more to add to what I've said already anyway.

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Vauxhall/GM oil is made by Delphi, who are one of the big automotive OE parts suppliers. Part of Lockheed now, strangely.

VW's factory oil is made by Fuchs, who are probably one of the best oil suppliers in the world - it's them that develops VW's oils for them and makes Silkolene oils.

At work we run:

VW Passats from 1.9TDi to W10;

Skoda Octavia and Fabia 1.9TDi to vRS to Superb 2.5D;

Fords from 1.6 Focii to Mondeo ST220 to Transits;

Vauxhalls from 1.7DTi Astras up to 2.8V6T Vectras and old Omega 3.2V6 with 250-300k upwards on original engine;

'Bishi Evo 9 to Shogun Sport 2.5TD;

LandRover Defender V8 and TD5 and RangeRover Sport Supercharged.

What oil have they been using for the past 4 years? Delphi 5W30. Goes in to everything, and some of those cars are on the road 24 hours a day and have over 100k on them. The old Omegas are heading towards 300k on the most part without an engine rebuild.

They used to run Fuchs oil all the time, but the distributor over here was having difficulties supplying, so they changed to Delphi, and there's no change in engine failures, oil consumption etc. On the high milers the oil is sent off for testing when it comes out, and again they've noticed not measuable difference in oil contaminants or oil breakdown between the Delphi and the Fuchs (and the few "control" vehicles that use Castrol SLX).

All that taken into consideration, I'd go for the cheaper of the oils between Delphi and Fuchs. We've already established prices.

Well, that made things a bit quieter didn't it.

What was the S word you were looking for Giz?

Well, that made things a bit quieter didn't it.

What was the S word you were looking for Giz?

I had actually dropped it this morning, but just for you i will say it ONE more time.

It Still does not mean that your Vauxhall oil is to the correct grade for a PD.

My VW 506.01 oil is ACEA B5, and is approved to run in a PD.

There are oils available out there that meet the ACEA B5 std, that are only VW 503 approved (not suitable for a PD) and of course there are also ACEA B5 oils that have no VW approval.

That point proves that just because the ACEA specs are the same it doesn't mean that the VW spec (if approved) is the correct one.

I have NO ISSUES with you running your own car on what ever you want to and therefore making any possible savings by buying cheaper oil, i just don't think it's a good policy to advise others that it is OK, as clearly you can't prove it is with the lack of any VW approval on the oil you use.

End of my input.

I had actually dropped it this morning, but just for you i will say it ONE more time.

It Still does not mean that your Vauxhall oil is to the correct grade for a PD.

My VW 506.01 oil is ACEA B5, and is approved to run in a PD.

There are oils available out there that meet the ACEA B5 std, that are only VW 503 approved (not suitable for a PD) and of course there are also ACEA B5 oils that have no VW approval.

That point proves that just because the ACEA specs are the same it doesn't mean that the VW spec (if approved) is the correct one.

I have NO ISSUES with you running your own car on what ever you want to and therefore making any possible savings by buying cheaper oil, i just don't think it's a good policy to advise others that it is OK, as clearly you can't prove it is with the lack of any VW approval on the oil you use.

End of my input.

Ok, that's a more polite way to put things, but you have it from someone in the trade in black and white that there's no difference in the quality of the oil, infact I spoke to a former Passat owner tonight who used to buy Castrol oil in Woolworth's for £2 a litre, and also Tesco own brand oil, this car did 185k before he sold it running just fine, can you not see what VAG stand to make from it by confusing ppl, and as the OP has a VE not a PD engine he should be able to shove any 10/40 semi in it or 0-5-30 synthetic in it without worrying, it's all bulls*it tbh, the only thing that matters is that you use a good quality oil, some multigrade stuff will get broke down and ruin the engine, but anything with suitable for modern engines on it will be ok, just because it doesn't have 505 written on it doesn't make it carp oil, I respect your wish to use what they state, but believe me VAG is not run by honest ppl, they trade on a good name backed up by Arfur Daley you bought it it's your problem attitude ime, and a few other ppl as well, anyway let that be the last of it, I'll continue to use my oil choice, you use yours, if ppl choose to take my advice then it's at their own risk, personally I dion't think there's any risk anyway.

I respect your wish to use what they state, but believe me VAG is not run by honest ppl, they trade on a good name backed up by Arfur Daley you bought it it's your problem attitude ime

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Your confusing dealer franchises with the manufacturor again

OK, I think I've pretty well sorted things out to my own satisfaction now, having spent a huge amount of time trolling through the internet, listening and looking wherever I can.

My conclusion are:

You need to ask yourself two questions:

1. Is your diesel engine a PD engine?

2. Do you wish to run extended service intervals?

Just working with VW codes for now and showing the minimum oil spec,

1 = No and 2 = No then you should use VW 505 00

1 = No and 2 = Yes then you should use VW 506 00

1 = Yes and 2 = No then you should use VW505 01

1 = Yes and 2 = Yes then you should use VW 506 01

VW 507 00 confuses me at the moment, so we'll leave that one out ....

I wandered round to Halfords yesterday and checked out their oils and their book that tells you what oil to use for each and it was pretty much in agreement with the above, except for a non PD engine on fixed service intervals, it stated that any quality diesel rated synthetic or semi synthetic would be OK, which I would tend to agree with. The VW codes were specified for all PD engines and extended services, which I would also agree with. (Though they did show a PD version of the 2.5 TDI engine which I wasn't aware existed .....)

The highest spec oil I could find round there was Castrol Edge which showed VW 506 xx and VW 507 ratings, but at £45 for 4 litres was a bit excessive, especially considering that it says that the 2.5 TDI takes 5.5 litres for an oil change. Although I've historically used Castrol, I went off them when they put the price up and went to a 4 litre container, which was a double whammy .... 20% less oil for 20% more money never felt right at the time.

Also spoke to the technical department yesterday at Total, and they said the Total Quartz Future 9000 would be OK to use, but the approved oil would either be Total Quartz INEO MC3 5W30 (VW 505 01) or Total Quartz Energy 9000 (VW 505 00). Strangely, the Total Quartz Future 9000 that I've bought doesn't have the VW rating even though it says it's suitable ... and I'm sure it would be.

So there you have it, I reckon I'll go for either Fuchs or Total fully synthetic 5W/30 oil which carries the VW 505 00 rating and use fixed service intervals rather than extended.

PS have booked the Superb in at the Skoda dealer that supplied it on Thursday for an "end of warranty check". Have all the info regarding the pollen filter mod printed out, so we'll see what they say

Edited 28 January, 200917 yr by CRC

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Your confusing dealer franchises with the manufacturor again

I have e.mail from SUK that says different mate.

I have e.mail from SUK that says different mate.

What that dealers are owned by manufactorers ?

Post the email then as it's a new one on me.