got any videos of that chris, sounds interesting.

got any videos of that chris, sounds interesting.

Not got any videos to hand, but I'm happy to demo it sometime

Chris

I'd guess that pretty much any "motorsport incar" coverage will show some use of fixed hand positions, albeit with a quick rack.

... but gets tricky when the hands have to go past 12 o'clock / 6 o'clock.

Best stick to pull-push for IAM/RoADAR.

I agree; if you can't intelligently switch between the 2 you should stick to push-pull.

I agree; if you can't intelligently switch between the 2 you should stick to push-pull.

... or stick to fixed input?

Chris

any videos or pic demonstrations???

I can't find any video's of it "in action" with a view of the road, but this video from a chap I know explains the differences...

As I said, it's best demo'd in context so you can see when you might chose to use it and why

Chris

cheers will have a look at it.

... or stick to fixed input?

Chris

You know that technique just won't work in a road car with its low ratio rack!

You know that technique just won't work in a road car with its low ratio rack!

Assuming you class the Panda as a road car (I know car might be pushing it ), I did an experiment today on a 143.6 mile route (taking in lovely twisty country roads (including a lovely hairpin), dual-carriageways, boring motorways and some town stuff to join the roads up) and just used fixed input steering. Seemed to work quite well, although a little arm crossing was required on a couple of occasions, but nothing that I considered unsafe or even that uncomfortable.

Saying all that, it's not a style I'd use out of choice, but I just wanted to see if it was possible

Chris

cheers chris looked at the video and have to confirm i do use that technique on long bends.

Assuming you class the Panda as a road car (I know car might be pushing it ), I did an experiment today on a 143.6 mile route (taking in lovely twisty country roads (including a lovely hairpin), dual-carriageways, boring motorways and some town stuff to join the roads up) and just used fixed input steering. Seemed to work quite well, although a little arm crossing was required on a couple of occasions, but nothing that I considered unsafe or even that uncomfortable.

Saying all that, it's not a style I'd use out of choice, but I just wanted to see if it was possible

Chris

Yeah, as far as I can set up a simple rule for it, I'd say that I switch from fixed position to shuffling when I would have to cross my arms if the corner unexpectedly tightened up. It's a full "define a set of expert systems rules" to describe fully though.

Yeah, as far as I can set up a simple rule for it, I'd say that I switch from fixed position to shuffling when I would have to cross my arms if the corner unexpectedly tightened up. It's a full "define a set of expert systems rules" to describe fully though.

Sounds good to me, although I'd hope "shuffling" wasn't an accurate description of your pull/push technique :P

Chris

Sounds good to me, although I'd hope "shuffling" wasn't an accurate description of your pull/push technique :P

Chris

It's another of those "different people learnt different names for the same thing" things I think, like how I always use "vanishing point" for the point where the road surface disappears from my immediate view.