Fair play but i saw an issue and raised it with the mods i now understand that briskoda dont hold events and have no liabilities atall...

i apolagise to any mod or person if you thinking im being a bully or being rude just putting my point across.....

i will now stay quiet on this and will not bring this up again:O

anyone that wants to start jumping down my neck about i should have reported it to blar blar

the answer to that is ( the police and vosa have been informed) so i guess they will have the final say...

trevor i dont want it to make it out im picking on you just my feeling on this is very strong as people can see as if you was to kill one of my family driving a car that you no is faulty:mad:

p.s apinner with regards to talking to mods incorrectly if they felt i was talking out of line they are men and would have told me but thanks for the input..

and apolagise if from your view it was incorrect of me to talk to them in that way:thumbup:

p.s apinner with regards to talking to mods incorrectly if they felt i was talking out of line they are men and would have told me but thanks for the input..

and apolagise if from your view it was incorrect of me to talk to them in that way:thumbup:

Good man! I can understand peoples frustration at the situation, there is just nothing we can do!

how on earth is that a mods responsability? are you mental?

knowing a car has a fault, is the owners concearn, and i'f your personally concearned about it, you personally do something about it.

if you were that bothered about it, why didn't YOU take action, instead or waiting for someone who has taken on the thankless task of moderating a forum?

+ok, just read the last posts, looks like the message has already been given, so i'll shut up.....+

I understand the indemnity required by the moderation team.

I understand, after having spoken to him, Beretta's concern over the state of the car and the safety of the rest of us on track.

I must admit I'd rather someone with a technically unroadworthy car didn't share track time with me, but noone was hurt and an accident didn't happen (only a nice embarassing 'off' situation for the driver concerned).

We get the point - it wasn't a Briskoda organised event and Briskoda shouldn't be held responsible for anything that happens at such meets. But I don't think there is any need for any more moderators to come in and make the same point again. We understand, we get it, case closed - now let's continue discussion of the matter in hand - damaged cars participating in track days, rather than another disagreement flaring up between moderators and members.

how on earth is that a mods responsability? are you mental?

knowing a car has a fault, is the owners concearn, and i'f your personally concearned about it, you personally do something about it.

if you were that bothered about it, why didn't YOU take action, instead or waiting for someone who has taken on the thankless task of moderating a forum?

+ok, just read the last posts, looks like the message has already been given, so i'll shut up.....+

maybe you should not get involved fella!!!!! or atleast read all the posts before you give it big bannanas on the forum!!!!

maybe you should not get involved fella!!!!! or atleast read all the posts before you give it big bannanas on the forum!!!!

People finding out all the facts before posting:rolleyes::eek: That'll be a first:rofl::rofl:

In the case of Trevors car the mods where informed about his car vis a vis his wheels being for sale, any mechanical defects where hearsay and no proof was submitted as to wether the faults had been rectified or not.

Re mechanical defects.

Please read the "Trevors car on Super Skoda" thread, and there you "READ" that he lied about the suspension, stating it was perfect negative camber for the track, and even posted a picture showing that the wheel was out of line, he confirmed in several posts that it was perfect, and then when asked if he had replaced the known bent KW strut, he admitted that he had not, and even added that now the rear KW shocks were knocking.

He added that he was trying to get a set of standard shocks and springs so that he could send the defective KW3's away for service, and this he had not done, as he only purchased a set of standard suspension from Jaymd on E-Bay the day before the track day.

So if he admits that the suspension is defective on open forum, it is hardly hearsay.

Even Des felt the need to make a similar comment in a thread about him spending money on fake airbrushed carbon than replacing defective suspension.

Please dont bother to reply, as its obvious that you only read the posts that you think will assist you, as in this case facts were found out first and confirmed and even admitted by him, and still nothing was done.

Whilst I appreciate that as a mod you do not feel it was your problem, I still think this thread would have been on a different tack if someone had been hurt or a car damaged as a result of the slides on the bends due to a defective car being on track.

Edited 28 April, 200917 yr by Beretta

Please dont bother to reply, as its obvious that you only read the posts that you think will assist you, as in this case facts were found out first and confirmed and even admitted by him, and still nothing was done.

The advert for his wheels was removed and remains removed until proof is submitted that all four are in good order. As to CC just what was I meant to do?? Ban Trevor from the forum... he had is ticket to CC so what difference would that have made?? Ban Trevor from attending a public event??... How. Even if I had been at CC I could hardly offer pugilism until he went away:rofl: All I could have done is report his car to the authorities, a course of action open to people there with more infomation about the state of play. Sorry Gerry but like as been said if you or anyone else had proof that his car was defective then it was your/ their responsibility to inform the stewards/ scrutineers on the day. Posting on an internet forum that someone has a dodgy car :rofl: If you believe half the stuff you read on here then......................NO mate you was passing the buck, no one wanted to 'grass' on Trevor on the day or to his face, and they just wanted to be able to say well it's not my fault I told the Mods, they did nothing' if it all went pair shaped!

Edited 28 April, 200917 yr by postmanpat

i said i wouldnt comment again sorry

but it has been said to his face and has been reported to the authorities by me so it wasnt what you have said above hope this makes it a bit clearer...

so please postmanpat can you please stop with your posts aswell as all you are doing now is stirring this one up and really is no need to.....especially as you aint got a clue what has been said to the authorites or to the person concerned!!!!!!!!

so can we now close this thread as all it is doing is going in circles and will end in problems

thanks

Sorry, Mr Westallc, this isn't meant in an accusatory way - it is a genuine question.

I've read that as you have reported this to the authorities. Do you mean the authorities at CC or the authorities in general?

If you reported it to the authorities at CC and they did nothing then I'm incredibly disappointed in that! :(

Sorry, Mr Westallc, this isn't meant in an accusatory way - it is a genuine question.

I've read that as you have reported this to the authorities. Do you mean the authorities at CC or the authorities in general?

If you reported it to the authorities at CC and they did nothing then I'm incredibly disappointed in that! :(

re Read post 26 & it will clarify who was informed.

Having seen some of the other piles of **** that were visibly questionable being allowed to circulate at castle Coombe in other groups I doubt the people at CC really were that worried what was going round.

I think we have all talked this to its conclusion, the Authorities now know & on the day it was up to individuals actually there to make CC aware if they thought that was neccesary.

Briskoda certainly isnt responsible as an organisation & neither should it be pushed into a situation where it beomes responsible, there's far to few people willing to take on organising events for the benefit of the majority & they dont need anything else to discourage them from doing so in the future.

Its another good sign that the Mods of Briskoda have allowed this thread to run, on many other forums the elitist Mods would have locked it long ago.

Now anyone got any more great pictures to share !!, One of my Zed would be nice, it was hiden on the stand but I guess hidden a bit to well

Stuart

mate when you have been told many times of a car that is not road worthy and will put people at risk with photo's to prove it and as it was a brisky event with other members at risk you have a duty of care to the forum members as it was a brisky event. do you not:confused:

rob mate dont mean to sound rude but if the mods are not willing to stop things like this then you guys are a complete waste of time..

have you been to any meets ??????? if so would you be happy if this car was to total yours and have no insurance......:confused:

its all well and good sitting behind the screen and saying not our problem that is typical of someone that hasnt got anyballs to solve members issues:mad:

you should be a mod you will fit straight in.........

end of subject not really botherd now as if anything was to happen ive done my bit....

lets hope nothing happens on a briskoda organised event as im sure there is some responsibilty but i guess that would be for the lawyers to say:thumbup:

but it has been said to his face and has been reported to the authorities by me so it wasnt what you have said above hope this makes it a bit clearer...

So What the ecky thump was Briskoda mods meant to do, if you had already spoken to Trevor/ Police/ VOSA etc :confused::confused:

I never realised that this modding lark carried so much power :rofl:

The advert for his wheels was removed and remains removed until proof is submitted that all four are in good order. As to CC just what was I meant to do?? Ban Trevor from the forum... he had is ticket to CC so what difference would that have made?? Ban Trevor from attending a public event??... How. Even if I had been at CC I could hardly offer pugilism until he went away:rofl: All I could have done is report his car to the authorities, a course of action open to people there with more infomation about the state of play. Sorry Gerry but like as been said if you or anyone else had proof that his car was defective then it was your/ their responsibility to inform the stewards/ scrutineers on the day. Posting on an internet forum that someone has a dodgy car :rofl: If you believe half the stuff you read on here then......................NO mate you was passing the buck, no one wanted to 'grass' on Trevor on the day or to his face, and they just wanted to be able to say well it's not my fault I told the Mods, they did nothing' if it all went pair shaped!

As Westalc has already stated, this thread is becoming gyratory and should now be closed.

You stated in an earlier post that you had no knowledge of the defective suspension, and when I proved that you did, you then go on about the wheels, sorry but that is not the issue in this thread.

As I mentioned again in an earlier post, he arrived at the last minute, in fact only several minutes before the track session so that it would all be hurried through without a proper inspection, and as for not having the balls to face him, I can assure you he was told both by myself and Westalc that the car was dangerous on several occassions, he was even told by myself and many others at the JKM rolling road day months ago that it should not be on the highway, let along the track, and Westalc did notify VOSA and the track, but having seen how those two monkeys with the sound meter performed, anything and anyone could have got on track.

So please do not accuse us of being spineless and afraid to do what we had already done.

As for posting on an open forum about a forum member having a dodgy car, sorry, but Trevor himself confimed this after being a liar for most of the "Trevor on Super Skoda" thread, he finally admitted it, so how much proof do you want?

No I would not want you to ban Trevor from the forum, but people have been banned for far less in the past, and their sins were nothing like as bad as this, as their verbal comments that got them banned were not life threatening.

Whilst I agree with Stuart_J that there were probably far worse cars on the track, I have no proven knowledge of them, so I cannot, and will not comment.

I only deal in known and proven facts, and was only trying to stop an avoidable accident in which a forum member could have been injured and, or, their car written off, so I can now only say how sorry I am for having a genuine concern for the health and safety of fellow forum members, and I can assue you I will never bother again.

So lets all agree to disagree.

You stated in an earlier post that you had no knowledge of the defective suspension, and when I proved that you did, you then go on about the wheels, sorry but that is not the issue in this thread.

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Pleas quote the posts in which I mention his suspension :confused: I did not go to CC and had no input into its organisation, yet you are telling me I am responsible for Trevor running a defective car, you mention that you told the mods the suspension was defective at a rolling road day months ago, yes but in this time he has had ample time to repair it as far as I know this could have taken place. Hence only people on the day could judge wether his car was still damaged. Given that you and Westallc now say that the car was reported to the various authorities before taking to the track, and Trevor was confronted, I FAIL TO SEE what you think a Brisky mod could have done different to stop Trevor from driving.

Please don't insinuate that 'we' don't have any concern for members health and safety, in point of fact that is the reason that Trevor was refused permission to sell his wheels on the forum until proof of there integrity is provided, however the only way to stop this (an alleged unroadworthy car) occurring again would appear to be stopping members from organising any meet that may involve driving :confused:

Edited 28 April, 200917 yr by postmanpat

We could close the thread if you like, but then the issue will still arise in comments in other threads. Or we can leave this open and if anyone feels the urge too comment about the whole incident then heres the place too do it

If thats all everyone has too say then we'll leave it as it is and no-one else post in here.

Hope this helps

Pleas quote the posts in which I mention his suspension :confused:

As you are a moderator and read the posts throughout the forum, you would have already read the "Trevors car on Super Skoda" thread, and read for yourself that the suspension was defective and was awaiting replacement, and as such you would already be aware of this problem, and this was quite a while before the track day.

So whilst I am wrong to state that you did not actually state it in writing, you were aware of the fact, and indeed should have mentioned it.

You also state in another post that there was no proof submitted that his wheels were defective and as such the damage was hear say, sorry, but I submitted photos of the crashed car with chunks out of the wheels to gadgetman, and I know these were shown in the back room.

So now lets let it go, as Westalc and I are knocking our heads against the wall, we both knew and I have seen, as have others have, the mechanical condition of the car in question, tried to do something about it, and now realise we wasted our time.

Coat on I'm gone..........................................................

I will not now be adding anything further to this thread as there is no point.

Edited 28 April, 200917 yr by Beretta

As you are a moderator and read the posts throughout the forum, you would have already read the "Trevors car on Super Skoda" thread, and read for yourself that the suspension was defective and was awaiting replacement, and as such you would already be aware of this problem, and this was quite a while before the track day.

So whilst I am wrong to state that you did not actually state it in writing, you were aware of the fact, and indeed should have mentioned it.

You also state in another post that there was no proof submitted that his wheels were defective and as such the damage was hear say, sorry, but I submitted photos of the crashed car with chunks out of the wheels to gadgetman, and I know these were shown in the back room.

Gerry Please read my posts and show me where I state that I saw no proof vis a vis his wheels :confused: I saw the state of the wheels, which as I have explained, is why I pulled the advert. I have not kept abreast with the thread you mention after pulling the wheel advert. After reading all the reports by yourself and Westallc (and pics) I would in all honesty have thought that Trevor would have sorted his car rather than drive around in something as badly damaged as was made out. Scanning later posts about this I was under the impression that Trevor had told Jason that he would take full responsibility for his car on the day, I took this to mean that the suspension would be sorted. To my mind it was then down to people on the day and any further slating of Trevors car was hearsay, and he was being judged guilty of running a defective car before he had even arrived at the track, based on its condition weeks or months before.

I just fail to see why people are trying to blame mods for something that even track officials, police, VOSA and yourselves could not achieve on the day :confused:

Edited 28 April, 200917 yr by postmanpat

Gerry I saw the state of the wheels, which as I have explained, is why I pulled the advert. I have not kept abreast with the thread you mention after pulling the wheel advert. After reading all the reports by yourself and Westallc (and pics) I would in all honesty have thought that Trevor would have sorted his car rather than drive around in something as badly damaged as was made out. Scanning later posts about this I was under the impression that Trevor had told Jason that he would take full responsibility for his car on the day, I took this to mean that the suspension would be sorted. To my mind it was then down to people on the day and any further slating of Trevors car was hearsay, and he was being judged guilty of running a defective car before he had even arrived at the track, based on its condition weeks or months before.

I just fail to see why people are trying to blame mods for something that even track officials, police, VOSA and yourselves could not achieve on the day :confused:

Now you know the truth, and that the car has not even been jigged and the front of the car is still out of line, and on his own confession the front KW strut is bent and the rear KW's are knocking, you can understand why Westalc and I were up in arms about the car being there, and the potential danger to others.

The problem is, that being one of the few that have seen the car in its crashed state, and the defects still on the car, you try and get over to others the actual condition of the car, but it is very hard to actually describe the danger you see.

My other real concern was the lies and deliberate misleading of the forum by him in the "Trevor B on Super Skoda" thread, and I am sure that many others, as well as yourself, as stated by you above, were under the impression that the suspension had been repaired, but as I, and several others were aware it had not been, that was our cause for concern, which I think you now fully understand a bit better.

Yes Trevor should have pulled the car from the track day, but chose not to, and in showing no regard for others he still ran it, and you can now see it was not hearsay after all.

Now you know the truth, and that the car has not even been jigged and the front of the car is still out of line, and on his own confession the front KW strut is bent and the rear KW's are knocking, you can understand why Westalc and I were up in arms about the car being there, and the potential danger to others.

The problem is, that being one of the few that have seen the car in its crashed state, and the defects still on the car, you try and get over to others the actual condition of the car, but it is very hard to actually describe the danger you see.

My other real concern was the lies and deliberate misleading of the forum by him in the "Trevor B on Super Skoda" thread, and I am sure that many others, as well as yourself, as stated by you above, were under the impression that the suspension had been repaired, but as I, and several others were aware it had not been, that was our cause for concern, which I think you now fully understand a bit better.

Yes Trevor should have pulled the car from the track day, but chose not to, and in showing no regard for others he still ran it, and you can now see it was not hearsay after all.

I can and do agree 100%

Any thoughts as to what can be done to mitigate against this type of thing in the future are more than welcome.

I'm not going to comment on the above and I'm going to go a little OT here.

What would have happend if I put my name down to track - Then turned up and decided not to run my car due to safety reasons/issues?

Would I get a refund?

This could be used for example for the car in question above and for all other members that did take cars around the track and paid to do so.

Many thanks,

Rob

I'm not going to comment on the above and I'm going to go a little OT here.

What would have happend if I put my name down to track - Then turned up and decided not to run my car due to safety reasons/issues?

Would I get a refund?

This could be used for example for the car in question above and for all other members that did take cars around the track and paid to do so.

Many thanks,

Rob

I think the only chance of a refund would be if the organiser could get a refund. Like Wilfmeister at Castle Combe, he couldn't run but I couldn't offer a refund as I was never going to get one from Castle Combe. The only chance was a quick sale of the pass, or forego the session.

If 'you' decided your car was not safe and not to run then I would doubt you could claim a refund as it is your responsibility, the same would apply if a track official refused your car entry, you where responsible to ensure its condition.

What would have happend if I put my name down to track - Then turned up and decided not to run my car due to safety reasons/issues?

Would I get a refund?

Considering how close he came to causing more expensive damage I think it would have been cheap to forfeit £35.

Speaking as someone who HAS damaged their suspension whilst on a driving tour organised through Briskoda I made sure my car was safe to carry on, spending a whole morning in the south of France trying to find a garage able to check over my car and correct the damage whilst the rest of the group carried on.

Following my post 44, PostmanPat and I had a long telephone conversation, where I explained a lot more about the problem, and our reasons for posting as we did, and even he seemed shocked that the car was still in the defective condition that it was, as he, and others had assumed that Trevor had repaired the suspension prior to tracking the car, but as explained he had not done anything to it, well apart from waste more money on a new exhaust instead of spending that money on the suspension that is.

I would also add that Des had offered him a brand new KW strut to replace the bent one months ago, Trevor said he would have it, then said no, so again this proves that he had no intention of doing anything to repair the suspension prior to the track day.

Postmanpat, thanks for taking the time to listen on the phone, and from your comment in post 45, I see you now agree, so again thanks.

As for worrying about his track fee, I think that should have been the least of his problems, as he should have pulled the car from the track and offered the track pass to another member, as there were others who would have taken it, and paid him for it, but this he declined to do, and preferred to endanger others.

Whilst I can only apologise for the length of these posts, it had to be said, as otherwise the lies and deceipt shown by Trevor would have won over the truth.