Translated:

At the end of the red area, however, is the point where the cutter intervenes.

How does he do this?  By cutting off the fuel supply (some, but fewer, cut off the spark in the spark plugs), even if the gas pedal remains depressed.  There are two types of cutter operation though.  One is the one that maintains the revs.  of the motor at the point where it intervenes and the other which drops the revs quite a bit as it cuts off the fuel supply for a little over a second.  In any case, in this way it is impossible for the driver to even accidentally exceed the maximum rpm.  of the engine by pressing the accelerator.

 But be careful... This does not mean that it is impossible for something like this to happen.  And this is because the cutter affects the power supply or ignition of the motor and not the transmission.  For this, for example, if in a gear change from fifth to fourth, we make a mistake and "click" second, then the damage is rather certain, since the driving force from the wheels (which through the transmission will transfer the movement to the engine crank)  will push the motor over its rev limit.  And this is because such a wrong gear change can easily increase the revolutions from 5,000 rpm.  at 7,000 rpm  surpassing the cutter.  This results in the valves not being able to keep pace, losing their timing with the pistons and thus causing the damage.

 It is worth noting that there are cutters that now also work with the car's sub-modules, in order to determine if, for example, the motor is cold and thus reduce even more the point at which they intervene, while in very fast cars there is also a speed cutter (usually in  250 km/h).

 

Benny Hill was extremely popular here, everyone likes him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvGBj1CFetk

because he didn't had any ironic, arrogant style. I have seen an episode which he was dressed with traditional GR uniform.

Yes true, so see answer one.

 

If something has only happened once in 24 years because you were distracted you have hopefully learnt your lesson and won't do it again and as it won't happen you don't need any gadgets to prevent it, biggest driver aid is always between your ears, or as we say here "the nut behind the wheel".

 

Benny Hills style now is out of date as lot of it relied on the British tradition of double entendre (irony there with the name to British tradition) and what is now considered un-pc stuff but those were the times and just about all others did the same, I'm sure Benny Hill was clever enough to adapt his style if required, from the very little I know of him he was a bit of an English eccentric, the women that appeared on screen with him regularly seem to hold him in high regard.

 

No matter if the ECU-programmer cutter saved me i wouldn't take the risk to make a modification to the gear lever, the shock for me those times was enough to don't try anything by myself.

I haven't see a Felicia even on the internet with a quick shifter, unfortunately there is no guarantee.

 

 

59 minutes ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

No matter if the ECU-programmer cutter saved me i wouldn't take the risk to make a modification to the gear lever, the shock for me those times was enough to don't try anything by myself.

I haven't see a Felicia even on the internet with a quick shifter, unfortunately there is no guarantee.

The synchros cannot support quick shifting nonetheless 

1 hour ago, Thefeliciahacker said:

The synchros cannot support quick shifting nonetheless 

 

Ok, so we lost again (as in the OBD port-Torque application). 🙁

The tower is huge (in the previous Cz links so i doubt if this could fit in our console.

 

By the way did you notice the ''sandal" old man with his $300000 ferrari Dino above?

Take a look at 6:39 at 8:38 at 9:00, no car chasing, imagine him in fast driving in Mountain Roads.

42 minutes ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Take a look at 6:39 at 8:38 at 9:00, no car chasing, imagine him in fast driving in Mountain Roads.

that gearbox has a lot of wear

Still hurts me.

 

 

I had to stop watching video like this. 😢

 

11 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Still hurts me.

what hurts you?
that the Felicia is old and slow and its gearbox is manufactured with granny shifting in mind.

with such great rev hang you cant even upshift fast let along downshift

 

4 hours ago, Thefeliciahacker said:

with such great rev hang you cant even upshift fast let along downshift

That's well put, the point I've have meant but failed to put, it's not just downshifts, it's the changes.

 

Just as an example only, my modified Ford Type 9 gear lever against a standard type one, with the rally sport type clutch hydraulics and the modified shorter lever it made no difference to how quickly I was actually able to change gear successfully (that was not the intention of the shortening, straightening and retaining of the insulator).

 

ETA: also shown is the red hardened saddle clip that made changes slicker that the standard black plastic Ford offering that would wear quickly and give a certain amount of sloppiness that wasn't of issue in a worn gearbox in a very old family saloon rarely used "classic" but more noticeable in a light two-seater actually driven. 

 

Edited 26 May, 20242 yr by nta16
ETA:

IF i had a spare (used) mechanism and IF i could find a mechanic to take the responsibility for ''install-test-uninstall-back to the original" i would give a try.

By the way i use the Double Clutching method the latest years.

35 minutes ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

By the way i use the Double Clutching method the latest years.

A bit contradictory to having a quickshift then, or perhaps increases the need.  Old 8v engine, use the torque and/or momentum and just use normal lever and gear changing, drive within the limits of the vehicle, anticipate and drive smoothly and a good rate of progress can be maintained.  Get a track instructor or good racer in your car and he or she would go quicker within the limits of the vehicle just by their knowledge, experience and practice and often they can be short in height so their sightlines are less.

 

3 hours ago, nta16 said:

Get a track instructor or good racer in your car

 

This is not UK or USA, there are 2 tracks here in GR and the closest is 225 Κm from me so i need a whole day to go-return plus the enormous cost of gasoline-track ticket-instructor cost per hour-tolls etc so forget it !

Sorry I didn't mean for you to take things so literally, I should have put if you had track instructor or good racer in your car you would see he or she would go quicker within the limits of the vehicle just by their knowledge, experience and practice - not that you need to go to the lengths you say.  If you adopted the same smooth driving techniques which can also be picked up by others that are NOT track instructors or good racers.  I don't know Greece, do you not have any advanced (road) driving clubs or is it you take a test(?) then once passed you know everything needed to drive how you like on the public roads no need to ever learn more (there are plenty like that in the UK (mostly men)).

 

Track instructors and good racers do not only live their lives at tracks they are allowed off track.  Learning on a track is good for a start but track stuff isn't the same, on the roads vehicles also travel in the other directions and there is a vast range of different vehicles with a very wide range of driving skills, these are a LOT more limited parameters on a track.

 

Many years ago there was a report that rally drivers made the same amount of insurance claims for their road driving insurance as the ordinary Joe, possibly they took more chances or they drive a lot and others were hitting the rally drivers' cars because of this, probably younger male rally drivers.

 

I don't want me or other driver in my car to ''reach the limits" in a public road.

It would be good to have someone to give me some advises or make a correction to my mistake while i am driving in Mountain Roads.

My gear stick was ''sloppy'' and few years back i bought and installed a factory specifications kit, things are far better now but i thought that there was a room for improvement (quick shift) but since there is no kit in the market and no time plus money for experiments i have to abandon the idea.

 

On 25/05/2024 at 18:45, Thefeliciahacker said:

The synchros cannot support quick shifting

 

I can't do anything then. 🙁

4 minutes ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

don't want me or other driver in my car to ''reach the limits" in a public road.

You totally misunderstand.  Limits do NOT always mean the very upper limits possible, the very maximum available before the engine, gearbox or driver explodes.  The limit might be at 1 mph, 5, 10, 15 20, etc., low revs, not the maximum before the engine explodes, the car's handling on the road not the knife edge just before, or after, you slide, spin or fall into the scenery.  It's about being able, when appropriate, driving WITHIIN the limits, and not beyond those limits, of the road, the vehicle and driver at the moment and very near future, WITHIN the limits, and not beyond, of the conditions at the time NOT the very maximum at optimum circumstances that may be available at optimum times.

 

It doesn't have to be with a track instructor or good race driver, those were just examples of those that know how to drive smoothly to get to the available limits and not go beyond them which might be at 1 mph, 5, 10, 15 20, etc, and very low revs, with restricted movement of the vehicle on the road.  NOT racing other drivers on a public road.

 

 

16 minutes ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

It would be good to have someone to give me some advises or make a correction to my mistake while i am driving in Mountain Roads.

If everyone every male in Greece has the attitude and thinking pattern of yourself and Thefeliciahacker then I very much doubt you have anything like Advanced Drivers club(s) in Greece.  😆  These are NOT about racing but more advanced road craft on public roads in the real world not closed tracks for those with excesses in money and/or egos.

 

Just to be clear, I am not a member of such a club or passed any assessment to be in one or instruct others.  As I have put before I am NOT a good driver.  I may be above average (or fooling myself that I might be) but that would only be because the average might be so low.

 

I am not throwing the first stone as I have lived in glass houses but if nothing else old age has given me some experience that I have learnt from, when I remember. 🫠

 

15 minutes ago, nta16 said:

If everyone every male in Greece has the attitude and thinking pattern of yourself and Thefeliciahacker then I very much doubt you have anything like Advanced Drivers club(s) in Greece.

 

We have but as i said the tracks are far away from many drivers home and costs a lot, we also have courses for drivers as Bodyguards, Cart, Rally (WRC). If you are young and your father has money you can learn many things.

GR is not USA with many tracks

2 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

We have but as i said the tracks are far away

Advanced driving is NOT track driving, yes when I was referring to a track instructor or good race driver driving your car I meant as a hypothetical case and on the public roads, not a track, obeying all public driving laws, regulations and codes.  Yes a a track instructor or good race driver could teach you smooth driving on a track with them or you driving driving your car but that's not what I meant, I meant you would see how smoothly they driver the car, not snatching or extreme movements in anyway, smooth, swift driving that would feel slower than it actually is because it's so smooth and flowing, anticipation and setting up to get the smoothing flowing swiftness. 

 

Advanced driving is about better driving on the public roads not a track, obeying all public driving laws, regulations and codes.  Below is an example in the UK, just as an example only, there are other avenues to further driver training for driving on public roads, not track training. Techniques for better driving not racing others or quickest gearshifts (but better) or "balls-out" "ten -tenths" driving.  Such training would cover driving public mountain roads and other public roads in road legal vehicles but not for timed runs, though smoother is often quicker, not necessarily fastest or as fast as possible racing is for race tracks whether you are racing someone else or your own times.

 

Unless you are learning driving techniques you don't want to take your own car on a track or track day unless you have money to spare, if it is a hobby or pastime you enjoy fair enough but it will put a lot of additional stress and wear on your car in very short amounts of time, even on very short tracks with relatively low speeds, better to drive a car someone else has to own and look after.

 

Institute of Advanced Motorists, Road Smart - https://www.iamroadsmart.com/about-us/overview

 

13 hours ago, nta16 said:

If everyone every male in Greece has the attitude and thinking pattern of yourself and Thefeliciahacker then I very much doubt you have anything like Advanced Drivers club(s) in Greece.  😆 

 

Don't jump to conclusions, obviously you don't know by close any Greek. On the other hand i meet British from 1975 (all seasons) as residents, i know many things about your cook-code dress-behaviour-way of speaking etc.

We have things that you have not and you have things that we have not, don't start the criticism because you will hear unpleasant things, the days of Colonialism are over and if you think that we don't know how to drive then are these with those supercars know?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11480883/Albanians-flash-cars-grind-central-London-standstill-toast-Independence-Day-home.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2826869/Video-Moment-Albanian-Lamborghini-grinds-central-London-standstill.html

Does these (which till last year didn't even had even a their own donkey back home) know how to drive and have taken lesson in your AD schools?

________________________________

 

returning back to the point, as for the quick shifter:

 

Here is the Felicia mechanism.

 

 

 

 

i have installed some years back that kit because was a bit loose, not any other oprion except VIKA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry but you have totally missed my point, and I haven't a clue what cook-code dress-behaviour-way of speaking is or what you mean by it, I was not looking down on any peoples from any place rather taking the attitude that you and your fellow Greek present here to me.  I have never suggest anyone doesn't know how to drive just that we can all learn to do better, if we want to.  You are rather partly proving the stereotype of the macho male ego by getting all upset and defensive at any suggestion that you could improve your driving skills, we have lots of the same here and they will be on sites about cars obviously.  You are old enough to know better so you get less latitude than your fellow young Greek (chasing and racing on public roads and putting so on a public forum).

 

If you looked at the link I gave you you would see that the members offer tutoring and assessments so someone like yourself proficient at driving could offer to asses and teach others (after being assessed for such yourself), if you wanted, but that wouldn't mean you could not learn more and improve yourself even at that level.

 

I'm a child of the 1960s and 70s so I have the same male ego and attitudes to some extent but with time passing and age are more able to accept just because I'm a male of a certain age I don't have to let my ego always get the better of me.  You can't know how good or bad I am at driving, I tell you without any modesty that I'm not that good, you might be superb but I can't know that.  The original idea of suggesting a track instructor or good racer was to suggest smoother driving and gear change as an alternative  so you don't need a quickshift which would do very little on your car and then as usual it got expanded out.

 

The potential for slop getting into such a remote rod changing as on your car must be great but to reduce it would introduce transferred vibrations which are not noticed on race cars with all the other noises, plus driver wearing ear plugs and driving helmet but would be on a road car.

 

Here as is in the manual, high resolution photo which don't fit in a post so i put a link.

 

https://img.7zap.com/images/oem/vag3/SK/Bilder/101/101711000.TIF.png

 

Shortening the A is not an option, making bigger the B is but i have to find an electro welder to take the responsibility.

 

 

 

Even so, how much length? 2-4-6cm longer?

1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Shortening the A is not an option,

It is an option, you might not want to do it and doing it may not give you what you want anyway or improve things.

 

1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

making bigger the B is but i have to find an electro welder to take the responsibility.

This you might want to do but it may not give you what you want anyway or improve things.

 

But it's your car so you will as always do as you want.

 

1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Even so, how much length? 2-4-6cm longer?

You've seen the videos and the ratios you decide, if I was doing the work for you I would insist you decide and take full responsibility as whatever is decided as the measurement it may not give you what you want anyway or improve things and I would not offer myself as a scapegoat for this.  You can mock something up or draw something on paper or perhaps get an engineer or someone to do the maths if you don't want to, but until the work is actually done and installed on your car with you driving it the result and if it's acceptable is unknown, to you at least, you've had a couple of opinions but they're not proof.

 

Edited 28 May, 20242 yr by nta16

2 hours ago, nta16 said:

It is an option

 

Not for me, i have already installed and aftermarket knob which had 3 plastic cones as accessories to fit it properly.

Now the height is as it should be, in M3 or MX-5 a factory short gear shift it suits, not in my case.

 

2 hours ago, nta16 said:

I would not offer myself as a scapegoat for this.

 

GR is not USA where everyone can sue anybody and ask for compensation.

Many years ago an American cigar smoker sued a cigar manufacturer because one night fell asleep in his couch with the cigar in his hand and later put the blame for the fire on the cigar company. 

1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Many years ago an American cigar smoker sued a cigar manufacturer because one night fell asleep in his couch with the cigar in his hand and later put the blame for the fire on the cigar company. 

I wouldn't believe everything you read anywhere, especially if it's on the internet.  Put up the court papers and such stuff may be able to verify, otherwise it's just a good story.

 

It's not a case of suing but blame, fine if you accept it, not so good when it's deflect on to others.  I suppose whoever does the work could get a second lot of money extending the shortened lever to get it back to the same length as it was before it was shortened. 😆

 

IF i do the project it would be with a used one, not the factory.

I did the same with air filter box, kept as original the one and modify the other.

I don't want to shorten the A part, i can not drive with a gear stick like this

 

 

 

because my console is lower than this MX-5 and every time i have to bend so my hand can reach it. 

2 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

because my console is lower than this MX-5 and every time i have to bend so my hand can reach it. 

mx5 has god tier transmission Felicia is a tractor