I am aware it is torque converted, I dont know if you misread my post. The Ibiza got the DSG with the same engine, but then it's a newer platform car.

Having said that they mated the DSG with an N/A 1.6, if they had used the 1.2TSI and DSG the performance, economy and emmisions would have all been so much better. The technology though will take time to filter down, look how many 1.9PD's there still are after the introduction of the newer CR units

The 105bhp 1.6 Tiptronic Fabia is a decent enough set up to drive but its CO2 emissions of 180g/km are not really acceptable by today's standards. Even the 160bhp 1.8 TSi only produces CO2 figures of 163 in manual form and 155 in DSG. The vRS 200bhp 2.0 FSi is 175 g/km in manual and 180, the same as the Fabia Tiptronic, in the DSG version.

Torque converted autos have had their day, they are energy sapping, fuel inefficient and much too high on emissions.

The 105bhp 1.6 Tiptronic Fabia is a decent enough set up to drive but its CO2 emissions of 180g/km are not really acceptable by today's standards. Even the 160bhp 1.8 TSi only produces CO2 figures of 163 in manual form and 155 in DSG. The vRS 200bhp 2.0 FSi is 175 g/km in manual and 180, the same as the Fabia Tiptronic, in the DSG version.

Torque converted autos have had their day, they are energy sapping, fuel inefficient and much too high on emissions.

Bassa, it's the turbochargers that are causing the large reductions in CO2. Torque converter auto's do add some CO2 due to inneficiencies, but a good box doesen't add that much. The 1.6 105BHP 16v without the autobox is still putting out 165 g/km, still more than the 1.8TSI at 163g/km.

Torque converted automatics have far from had their day, they are still cheap and reliable. I own both a Torque converter Auto and a DSG Equipped car. DSG might be superior in performance and efficiency, but it's complex, expensive and cant do some of the things a traditional auto can do, such as torque multiplication.

They are certainly still better than single clutch automated systems such as featured in Toyotas, Alfa Romeo's and Smart cars e.t.c.

Bassa, it's the turbochargers that are causing the large reductions in CO2. Torque converter auto's do add some CO2 due to inneficiencies, but a good box doesen't add that much. The 1.6 105BHP 16v without the autobox is still putting out 165 g/km, still more than the 1.8TSI at 163g/km.

Torque converted automatics have far from had their day, they are still cheap and reliable. I own both a Torque converter Auto and a DSG Equipped car. DSG might be superior in performance and efficiency, but it's complex, expensive and cant do some of the things a traditional auto can do, such as torque multiplication.

They are certainly still better than single clutch automated systems such as featured in Toyotas, Alfa Romeo's and Smart cars e.t.c.

It is not only emissions that are being reduced by a petrol's turbocharger, it is also the increase in accessible torque. The normally aspirated Fabia's1.6 produces 153Nm at 3,800 rpm while the 200cc's smaller turbocharged 1.4TSi produces 250Nm from 1,500rpm to 4,500rpm. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to appreciate the vast differences those figures show let alone the day to day driving advantages. Adding the DSG/automated manual transmission rather than a torque converted automatic enhances performance, emissions and mpg. If the torque converted auto has not had its day, then why have so many manufactures already replaced them with semi autos., Skoda included?

The Fabia 1.6 Tiptronic is the only torque converted automatic remaining in the whole of the Skoda range - its 180 g/km emissions for a 1.6Lltr. being quite unacceptable by today's standards - it's crying out for a TSi/DSG set up.

I find this very curious as my DSG is actually one VED band higher than the equivalent Manual car and slightly worse MPG too! I have the 6 speed version so it looks like they've vastly improved it for the 7 speed?

Yes, my Leon is a band up on the manual with the 6 speed DSG. It's probably the weight.

Torque converted autos have had their day, they are energy sapping, fuel inefficient and much too high on emissions.

Dunno. I reckon TC autos will be with us for a while for large cars and very powerful engines.

Yes, my Leon is a band up on the manual with the 6 speed DSG. It's probably the weight.

Dunno. I reckon TC autos will be with us for a while for large cars and very powerful engines.

The 'wet' 6 speed DSG version has a slightly higher CO2 rating than its equivalent manual . However, with the newer 'dry' 7 speed DSG, it has a slightly lower CO2 rating than its manual twin. Also the 6 speed DSG is slightly thirstier than the manual, whereas the 7 speed DSG is slightly more fuel efficient.

As you state, it is probably down to weight, the 6 speed DSG weighs in at 93kg and the 7 speed at only 70kg.

As to large and powerful torque converted automatic cars, there will always be exceptions to the rule and niche markets, in any case they are not mainstream motors in the UK. Even the Yanks are slowly learning, look at the current state of GM!

It is not only emissions that are being reduced by a petrol's turbocharger, it is also the increase in accessible torque. The normally aspirated Fabia's1.6 produces 153Nm at 3,800 rpm while the 200cc's smaller turbocharged 1.4TSi produces 250Nm from 1,500rpm to 4,500rpm. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to appreciate the vast differences those figures show let alone the day to day driving advantages. Adding the DSG/automated manual transmission rather than a torque converted automatic enhances performance, emissions and mpg. If the torque converted auto has not had its day, then why have so many manufactures already replaced them with semi autos., Skoda included?

The Fabia 1.6 Tiptronic is the only torque converted automatic remaining in the whole of the Skoda range - its 180 g/km emissions for a 1.6Lltr. being quite unacceptable by today's standards - it's crying out for a TSi/DSG set up.

It's not the last, its sharing this gearbox engine combo with the roomster. I think the reasoning behind this is because the Fabia II is not a new model as with the Polo and Ibiza, which are avaliable with DSG on a newer platform. Seems we got the raw end of the deal with the Fabia II which is basically a tarted up MK1, personally I see Skoda going towards being a mainstream rather than budget brand, so why we haven't got the technological improvements from the Polo/Ibiza is pretty sad.

You can then go on to say that it's not just the technological stuff, the Fabia looks like a complete duffer compared to the Polo/Ibiza,

The whole why dont Skoda get as good stuff as other marques in the VW group is an age old conversation though, and going off topic so I will leave it at that. Either way I am very pleased with my Fabia MKII despite it's implementation of older technology

It's not the last, its sharing this gearbox engine combo with the roomster. I think the reasoning behind this is because the Fabia II is not a new model as with the Polo and Ibiza, which are avaliable with DSG on a newer platform. Seems we got the raw end of the deal with the Fabia II which is basically a tarted up MK1, personally I see Skoda going towards being a mainstream rather than budget brand, so why we haven't got the technological improvements from the Polo/Ibiza is pretty sad.

You can then go on to say that it's not just the technological stuff, the Fabia looks like a complete duffer compared to the Polo/Ibiza,

The whole why dont Skoda get as good stuff as other marques in the VW group is an age old conversation though, and going off topic so I will leave it at that. Either way I am very pleased with my Fabia MKII despite it's implementation of older technology

The Roomster to me is a tall (sorry,make that taller) Fabia - as in the Corsa/Meriva, Fiesta/Fusion mould.

In the case of the new Octavia, it appeared to be available with TSi engines and 7 speed DSGs within a reasonable time period.

Glad you are pleased with your Fabia 1.6 Tiptronic but just try the 1.4 TSi / 7speed DSG Octavia (if you can find one) and I bet you would be absolutely delighted and amazed. Then imagine that set up in the Fabia - believe me, it is in a different league.

It's not the last, its sharing this gearbox engine combo with the roomster. I think the reasoning behind this is because the Fabia II is not a new model as with the Polo and Ibiza, which are avaliable with DSG on a newer platform. Seems we got the raw end of the deal with the Fabia II which is basically a tarted up MK1, personally I see Skoda going towards being a mainstream rather than budget brand, so why we haven't got the technological improvements from the Polo/Ibiza is pretty sad.

You can then go on to say that it's not just the technological stuff, the Fabia looks like a complete duffer compared to the Polo/Ibiza,

The whole why dont Skoda get as good stuff as other marques in the VW group is an age old conversation though, and going off topic so I will leave it at that. Either way I am very pleased with my Fabia MKII despite it's implementation of older technology

I think the release of new technology rotates around the marques, but with a certain amount of the flashy stuff being reserved for Audi/VW, and a certain amount of using Seat/Skoda as a test bed.:

eg: The Golf IV platform was first used in the A3, the PD engine first in Golf, The Fabia was the first to use that platform (later used in Polo/Ibiza), and the new Polo platform was first used for the current Ibiza.