How do you have a clutch in an auto? :confused:

Like slider said, there's two clutches in a DSG. Even a conventional auto has clutches and brake bands that can wear- these hold bits of the gearbox still to select the gears.

HowStuffWorks "How Automatic Transmissions Work"

I have an auto only licence and run a DSG. It's far superior than any other box I've used in 24 years of driving autos. Or you could try Ford's (who are they then ?) Powershift gearbox which is a similar copy of the DSG. Either can roll back on a hill whereas I'd never experienced this before because the standard auto box held it, but you soon get used to it. My vRS in sport mode coupled with the diesel torque is excellent but not quite as good as the sequential manual gearbox that BMW uses, where you can set the severity and speed of the up and downshift. That really is excellent - but well out of my price range. If I had the choice, the BMW would win but I'll settle for the DSG at present until the winning lottery ticket turns up.

I've got a MMT (multi-mode manual) 2005 Corolla which is an automated manual, a little similar to the DSG. I have to say having driven considerable distance in it, I'm really warming to the automatic idea. and am 90% certain that my next car will be an auto/dsg!

Sorry Pixi, I don't know anything about automatics ......... never owned one, but I lurve the thread title

It's the rolling back that concerns me about DSG. One second for hill control and then yikes. I will really have to blag a drive in the DSG though to make up my mind. Trouble is in this climate i don't like to time waste with dealers when i'm not yet ready to replace.

I've got a MMT (multi-mode manual) 2005 Corolla which is an automated manual, a little similar to the DSG. I have to say having driven considerable distance in it, I'm really warming to the automatic idea. and am 90% certain that my next car will be an auto/dsg!

Having driven/owned Toyota Yaris & Auris both with MMT (their semi automatic/automated manual) , they do not even come close when compared to the DSG. The Toyota and Honda's version, the i-Shift, are quite nasty and jerky when in full auto mode. Not too bad in sequential/tiptronic shift though.

The DSG is in a different league with the latest 7 speed one widening the gap even further.

It's the rolling back that concerns me about DSG. One second for hill control and then yikes. I will really have to blag a drive in the DSG though to make up my mind. Trouble is in this climate i don't like to time waste with dealers when i'm not yet ready to replace.

Make that 2 seconds - how long do you need to move your foot from brake pedal to accelerator? In any case, anyone used to a manual should have no trouble.

I may have asked his before but do the DSG clutches engage when put in drive thus giving you some creep or does the car only take up drive when the accelerator is pressed. A manual box with first engaged shouldn't slip back so don't understand why a DSG does if it is in gear???

I may have asked his before but do the DSG clutches engage when put in drive thus giving you some creep or does the car only take up drive when the accelerator is pressed. A manual box with first engaged shouldn't slip back so don't understand why a DSG does if it is in gear???

When you come to a standstill the brake pedal must be applied regardless of whether its on the flat or facing uphill/ downhill. Without any brakes applied, in 'drive' it will creep forward or roll backwards on a hill over a certain incline. When you are ready to move off from a hill start, the hill hold function will hold the car for 2 seconds from the time you release the brake pedal. There is no reason why you cannot perform a hill start as you would in a manual with coordination between handbrake and accelerator. Don't forget, there are many DSG's that do not have the hill hold function.The hill hold is purely as an aid mainly aimed at those more used to torque converted autos, which of course don't roll back. Even so, it is a useful addition and soon becomes (excuse the pun) automatic.

DSG is a great box, as for driving auto you are in full control of the vehicle and they are brilliant to drive. Great in all circumstances tbh.

As for accidents mentioned above, to be blunt, the automatic's were not to blame, the idiot who forgot to stick it into park when getting out..... also for the record, you are not supposed to leave engine on when your're not in the vehicle, I believe it is illegal as well with a discreationary fine of £60

I rate Automatic's highly..... I will be changing car in 6 years when I am 33yrs old for a auto next time

Get one imho, they are great

Timelord

Have had a couple of Auto's and really like them. Shame they didn't do an auto Roomy tdi.

I thank you kindly for all your thoughts on this matter. However, I am not fully informed about this DSG technology some of you speak of.

Would anyone be kind enough to explain exactly what it means, how it works and why it seems to be liked so much?

Muchos

Try this link Pixi,Direct-Shift Gearbox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's the rolling back that concerns me about DSG. One second for hill control and then yikes. I will really have to blag a drive in the DSG though to make up my mind. Trouble is in this climate i don't like to time waste with dealers when i'm not yet ready to replace.

won't roll back if you keep a foot on the brake. When moving of from an incline you can either use the handbrake of control the brake with the left foot as you start to pull away.

Have driven quite a few autos in my time and must say that I do love them.

Some of the better ones have been Mercs and Jaguar gearboxes and probably the worst was a MK 3 Fiesta (CVT box).

We had a works car at in my last job for running around in that was a Mitsubishi space wagon or something and although it wasn't pretty, nimble or nice it went like stink with an auto box in and very smooth to drive.

I would try and have a go in one and see what you think.

At the end of the day you are always in control as you are driving. If it's a full auto box then just use the 'hold' function to keep it in a lower gear which has always worked for me!

It's the rolling back that concerns me about DSG. One second for hill control and then yikes. I will really have to blag a drive in the DSG though to make up my mind. Trouble is in this climate i don't like to time waste with dealers when i'm not yet ready to replace.

It really does not roll back at all on a slight hill, especially if you let the brakes off gradually. On a very steep hill the handrake hold it perfectly well- you just release it as the clutch engages.

I thank you kindly for all your thoughts on this matter. However, I am not fully informed about this DSG technology some of you speak of.

Would anyone be kind enough to explain exactly what it means, how it works and why it seems to be liked so much?

Muchos

It's an auto gearbox with less of the disadvantages. Inside it's like a manual box, but it has two clutches.

To drive, it's mostly like an auto. You put a foot on the brake, engage D (for drive), let go of the brakes, press the throttle, and go.

If you get bored, you can select sport mode (lower gears are held) or a manual mode where you push the sticj forward to go up, backward to go down, or use paddles by the steering wheel to select gears. There's no clutch pedal.

D is plenty good enough in average driving, S (sport) is nice in the twisties, manual mode even more so.

Hope that helps.

I may have asked his before but do the DSG clutches engage when put in drive thus giving you some creep or does the car only take up drive when the accelerator is pressed. A manual box with first engaged shouldn't slip back so don't understand why a DSG does if it is in gear???

They have a little creep. Less than a conventonal auto. As you let go of the brake the clutch is slightly engages, then engages more gradually.

There is no reason why you cannot perform a hill start as you would in a manual with coordination between handbrake and accelerator. Don't forget, there are many DSG's that do not have the hill hold function.The hill hold is purely as an aid mainly aimed at those more used to torque converted autos, which of course don't roll back. Even so, it is a useful addition and soon becomes (excuse the pun) automatic.

*waves*

I've never liked automatics, find them rather uninvolving. I drove a Ferrari 360 with a flappy paddle gear box and although it was slightly better than a normal auto, it was still no where near as good as a manual.

Three pedals and a stick that moves in all directions for me every time.

I've never liked automatics, find them rather uninvolving. I drove a Ferrari 360 with a flappy paddle gear box and although it was slightly better than a normal auto, it was still no where near as good as a manual.

Three pedals and a stick that moves in all directions for me every time.

The DSG is not an automatic, it is a automated manual and is far superior to many other offerings of that type, Not only is it a superb transmission during normal usage but when it comes to getting stuck in slow moving traffic or motorway tailbacks for example, semi or full auto versus a manual appears to be a bit a no brainer.

As for my DSG, it has the same performance as its manual equivalent, slightly better mpg with lower emissions which actually bring it into one VED band lower than the manual. What is it, it is the Octy 1.4 TSi with the latest 7 speed DSG - try one and be amazed.

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As for my DSG, it has the same performance as its manual equivalent, slightly better mpg with lower emissions which actually bring it into one VED band lower than the manual.

I find this very curious as my DSG is actually one VED band higher than the equivalent Manual car and slightly worse MPG too! I have the 6 speed version so it looks like they've vastly improved it for the 7 speed?

I find this very curious as my DSG is actually one VED band higher than the equivalent Manual car and slightly worse MPG too! I have the 6 speed version so it looks like they've vastly improved it for the 7 speed?

The 6 speed is submerged in oil wheras the 7 speed is dry. The 6 speed DSG box i beleive weighs approx 75KG, plus i think in the region of 6 litres of fluid to keep it bathed. It adds weight to the car

Still not as bad as torque converter auto's, my Fabia 1.6 Tip is over £170 a year to tax

The 6 speed is submerged in oil wheras the 7 speed is dry. The 6 speed DSG box i beleive weighs approx 75KG, plus i think in the region of 6 litres of fluid to keep it bathed. It adds weight to the car

Still not as bad as torque converter auto's, my Fabia 1.6 Tip is over £170 a year to tax

Fabia 1.6 Tiptronic 105BHP CO2 emissions 180g/km VED £175

Octavia 1.4 TSi manual 122 BHP CO2 emissions 154g/km VED £150

Octavia 1.4 TSi DSG 122BHP CO2 emissions 147g/km VED £125

The Fabia is a torque converted auto and it shows how urgently it needs the TSi/ DSG combination.

Fabia 1.6 Tiptronic 105BHP CO2 emissions 180g/km VED £175

Octavia 1.4 TSi manual 122 BHP CO2 emissions 154g/km VED £150

Octavia 1.4 TSi DSG 122BHP CO2 emissions 147g/km VED £125

The Fabia is a torque converted auto and it shows how urgently it needs the TSi/ DSG combination.

I am aware it is torque converted, I dont know if you misread my post. The Ibiza got the DSG with the same engine, but then it's a newer platform car.

Having said that they mated the DSG with an N/A 1.6, if they had used the 1.2TSI and DSG the performance, economy and emmisions would have all been so much better. The technology though will take time to filter down, look how many 1.9PD's there still are after the introduction of the newer CR units