maybe its me who has them fitted wrong , its just that they fit nice and neatly out of the way

Ultra-joel, if you just rotate and refit the spring half a turn , then they will be the same as mine

Ultra_Joel88, yes I see what you mean about which way the spring should point - that also fits in with what I said but sometimes these illustrations are "generic". One thing about these illustrations, they clearly show a different calliper shape for that Girling one than they show for the Lucas one that our cars have.

ric04vrs, if your way is giving you good results then maybe that is also okay - but not quite as Lucas intended with that type of calliper. (I wish my local VW Van Centre could order them in as they are far easier to deal with!).

well aat's method definetely does not work on mine, and went back to old position and now its stopped working... great stuff, still not sure what you mean when you say half a turnh?

, still not sure what you mean when you say half a turn?

put the now bottom loop end into the top hole , and vice-versa for the other loop end

another reason i think to fit them my way is that they are well out of the way of anything that might be flicked around the inside of the wheel

ive got one end thats flat, and one end thats a hook, put the hook a the top?

i honestly think we've got differnt springs

Hi all - Sorry for the problems I seem to have caused!!:(

Ultra_joel88 I have the same springs as you . A hook at one end and a kind of dog leg at the other? I currently have the O/S spring with the 'dog leg' fitted to the handbrake lever part and the 'hook' fitted into the fixed bracket bolted to the caliper still with the 'coil' of the spring towards the rear. In this position the offset of the 2 arms of the spring matches the offset between the lever and the bracket so the spring sits squarely.

I do take ric04vrs' point that fitted as I have them the springs are somewhat 'exposed' but because the springs are always under tension I don't think they could be dislodged very easily.

I too think ric04vrs' springs may be different as they seem to have 'hooks' at both ends.

I fitted mine in the position I did after referring to the VAGCAT illustration which seems to show the 'coil' facing rearwards AND using the part numbers i.e. 1K0615295 to the N/S and 1K0615296 to the O/S. There only appeared to be one way they would fit!! :confused:

In your picture from yesterday your spring looks to be as close as you will get to matching ric04vrs' position - I've looked again at his images and his springs ARE different. Look at FAST-FITZ's picture - your springs and his (and mine) are the same!!

I hope you can get yours functioning again.

Regards

Alan

Edited 19 September, 200916 yr by aak
compared images and springs are different

right , just to clear up the spring situation, here are 2 pics of the N/S spring thats fitted to my car

i fitted the dog leg end in the top hole and the flat loop in the lower hole

You have different springs to us.

Managed to get mine working again just put them back in original position and now not fiddling anymore!

i does look like my springs are different , oh well as long as they all do their intended job , what does it matter

Yup they're different!! :eek:

ric04vrs I think your last comment regarding "if they do their intended job" is spot on. I'm just happy my rear brakes aren't binding any more

Just out of interest in an earlier post you mentioned that - as the springs were 'on back order' with VW - you might get 'Galaxy' springs instead as the rear brakes on it were the same . Did you wait for the VW ones OR did you buy the Ford ones? That might explain the slight difference. I personally think yours ARE a better and neater fit.

Thanks for going to the trouble of posting pics of the spring - that helped a lot.

Regards

Alan

Think I will get some of these.. and if ric04vrs got Galaxy ones then a set of that type if I can.

Question,

Do these work all the time, or only when the handbrake is engaged? I'm not clear on how the system works but when breaking with the pedal does the handbrake cable mechanism get moved as well.. meaning these springs would help return the brakes to nill after pedal engaged force?

Hi reflex88.

As far as I know they only work when the handbrake is applied. When using the brake pedal the handbrake lever mechanism does not move.

If however your handbrake mechanism on the rear calipers is not returning to their 'stop' when released the brakes will bind slightly. These springs will force the mechanism to return fully to the 'stop'.

Have a look under your car with the hanbrake OFF (and car in gear). There should only be a very small gap between the handbrake lever on the caliper and its' stop. If there is a large gap - pull the lever on the caliper in an UPWARD direction and it should move up to the stop. In this case your caliper mechanism is sticking and springs would fix this.

The only other possibility is - if the levers won't return to their stops after pulling on them then the handbrake cables may require slackening off/adjusting. The handbrake should require 4 'clicks' to be fully applied. If yours needs less than this then the handbrake cables are over-tight.

Hope this helps and - as I said previously - for all the cost it is worthwhile fitting them in any case.

Regards

Alan

they are indeed Galaxy springs , but as that vehicle is basically a VW Sharan or Seat Alhambra underneath i can see no reason why they are different from the other springs fitted, but obviously they are different

Ford P/Ns are 1002450 and 1002452

word of warning , they seem to be a bit more expensive than the ones from a VW dealer , no idea why though

Whilst motoring home last night I got the scrapping noise in the normal place... and i realised i DO apply the handbrake here!!! So that's sorted then, gotta get me some springs! Thanks Alan, ric04vrs and everything else!

I fitted these today but fitted them with the coils to the front of the car and they still have the same effect.

AAK, can you post some more pics up of the springs fitted so I can see how you have them fitted please?

Hi 53FabiaVRS

I've been away for a few days so only just read your post.

Will get some more pics up ASAP - However I do think the way you've chosen to fit them is OK (and neater) and they'll work every bit as well as they do on mine!!

Only 'benefit' of fitting them my way is that you can see them through the spokes of the wheels and IF one did become dislodged you could see that without getting down on your hands and knees - not a great benefit I know!!

Regards

Alan

I've just got my "1K0" springs today and yes these springs meant for Girling rear calipers are different from the ones meant for Lucas calipers in as much as the Girling ones have a far smaller coil diameter and only one hook - I compared with the "8E0" ones that I had bought years ago, which are for use with Lucas rear calipers and are far too big to work and keep out of the way. It might be that these "1K0" springs would fit betteron the Lucas rear caliper if a second hook is formed by bending the non hooked end - as long as the wire would allow that without snapping.

I've just got my "1K0" springs today and yes these springs meant for Girling rear calipers are different from the ones meant for Lucas calipers in as much as the Girling ones have a far smaller coil diameter and only one hook - I compared with the "8E0" ones that I had bought years ago, which are for use with Lucas rear calipers and are far too big to work and keep out of the way. It might be that these "1K0" springs would fit betteron the Lucas rear caliper if a second hook is formed by bending the non hooked end - as long as the wire would allow that without snapping.

gets some pics up of the springs if you can please

hi all, m new here, how is everyone? i ve got the same problem on the drivers side. i got the 1k0 type spring today and fitted it as how AAK did i believe, hook end to the bottom and flat end on top, coil towards the back of the car. can anyone confirm that this is the correct way to do it? thanks a lot.

i think the general consensus is were not sure which way round to fit them , mine are fitted the other way but are slightly different in shape

as long as it does the job i don't think it matters

gets some pics up of the springs if you can please

Here are a couple of pics -

The VAG CAT picture shows these springs fitting with the straight end down and so that means that the springs are to the front - following ric04vrs's way of fitting them. Always remember that these callipers are Lucas and the 1K0 springs are for Girling callipers - so maybe fitting them any way that gets a result is okay.

Edited 27 September, 200916 yr by rum4mo

i think the general consensus is were not sure which way round to fit them , mine are fitted the other way but are slightly different in shape

as long as it does the job i don't think it matters

Okay I've now fitted the springs "ric04vrs style" as that does seem to be the safest way round - when I initially looked at the pictures of the springs fitted that way they seemed to almost foul the strut - but that might just be the angle the picture was taken. If you look closely, you will see that I've fitted the straight end at the bottom after slightly bending the end of this area of wire so that it passes through the hole that is there! One thing to be careful of for the Polo and Ibiza cars with brake pad wear sensor is maybe to do as I did and tie wrap the wires grommet to the spring as it will get crushed eventually when the handbrake is applied. Also, for anyone fitting these 1K0 springs the other way round, take care where the straight end of the spring is resting as I think that you will find it might just be the seal for the handbrake actuator rod - and damaging that will cause a fluid leak I'd think. For comparision I've included a picture of the O/S spring on my Passat.

the springs on your Polo look very odd, i would say you needed the other type of spring fitted to them :confused:

it seems i have the springs that are on the right of your spring pics

I see that I now have a very "heavy" handbrake - I don't think that wifie will like that one bit, but we will see! I am a bit concerned that this extra load will start to destroy the handbrake cable inner covering, I think that maybe I'll check up on the Sharan springs but I'd reckon that they will be as strong or identical to my 8E0 springs that I tried some years ago. Ah well, there is no gain without pain I suppose - onwards and upwards!

the 8E0 ones should be fine , i've not noticed any extra difficulty pulling the handbrake on

what i have noticed is the better brake pedal feel because now that the handbrake is being fully released the rear calipers are adjusting up correctly