We are considering buying a new Scout 140 Diesel

Can those who have them post their thoughts, good & bad.

Weve had a test drive in a s/hand one, done on purpose as I hate squeeks & Rattles so thought this would give away the build quality & it was totally squeak & rattle free (10,000 miles) & a better drive than I had expected. Our main concern is how the std Interior wil look after 100,000 miles, if anyones put a pile of miles on I would be interested in their thoughts, our old L&K is on 156000 & the leather cleans up really well.

Also anyone had any DPF issues

Thanks in advance

Edited 31 January, 201016 yr by Stuart_J

No problems with mine, done just over 18,000 now with 2 kids and a dog and interior shows no sign of wear, squeaks or rattles. Very well built car all round.

No regrets, other than not having bluetooth, but I got mine as an exdemo so did not have the option. Only slight problem is that the demist is not that great until it warms up, but this appears to be a general Octy II 'feature'. Great car, intend to keep it and give it to the Mrs when I get a new one

Oh and the Dunlop SP1's are rubbish, but I have a feeling that the FS Scout comes with something different.

Only slight problem is that the demist is not that great until it warms up, but this appears to be a general Octy II 'feature'.

It's a diesel feature I think. Every car I've had since 2002 had been a diesel (Seat, Peugeot, Jaguar, 2 Saabs and my current Octy), and the demist has been blinking useless until there's a bit of heat in the engine, diesels take longer to warm up than petrols...

Just a quick note; the much improved 140 CR is due to replace the PD in June I believe, it's worth the wait.

TP

Just a quick note; the much improved 140 CR is due to replace the PD in June I believe, it's worth the wait.

TP

Thanks, its something I hadnt realised

I will give it serious consideration but Im always wary of new technology, the PD is proven & any issues are known,The cars likely to see 100+ thousand on it so I need a car with no longevity issues,

Thanks, its something I hadnt realised

I will give it serious consideration but Im always wary of new technology, the PD is proven & any issues are known,The cars likely to see 100+ thousand on it so I need a car with no longevity issues,

I would wait for the CR140, don't worry that its a new engine, its been in the VAG group for a couple of years now (Audi)

I would wait for the CR140, don't worry that its a new engine, its been in the VAG group for a couple of years now (Audi)

The only problems Ive un earthed are with Injector linked problems on an older Audi, big bucks to fix aparently

Just a quick note; the much improved 140 CR is due to replace the PD in June I believe, it's worth the wait.

TP

Thanks, its something I hadnt realised

I will give it serious consideration but Im always wary of new technology, the PD is proven & any issues are known,The cars likely to see 100+ thousand on it so I need a car with no longevity issues,

But you are happy with the knowledge that the 140PD suffers from oil pump drive failure? :S

The only interior wear issue I've seen on 100k+ milers is the door card looking very tatty (down to the foam) on the sill where lots of drivers rest their arm. Other than that even the 200k+ taxis I've been in seem pretty fresh inside.

I trust you are aware of the PD140 common failures. Older ones suffered with porous heads and oil pump issues, which I think are resolved now. Turbos don't seem to last all that long, neither do flywheels. Perhaps the CR140 would be worth the wait? Certainly would be less punishing on turbos and flywheels! Yes piezo injectors would be a pricey problem to sort though.

I would hardly call CR 'new', as it exists for a long time in other marks.

Ok something for you to discuss

CR140 - PD140 what are the plusses of the Cr, I can see quieter & a bit better on fuel, emissions less but Im no green so not worried about that

The Pd is proven (faults known) I know what can be tuned once its out of warranty in a couple of years, the dpf can be removed, Whats the potential with the Cr

The Cr will be more expensive, Ive had a few hints that way.

Skoda are doing some cracking deals on the PD but only until the end of March (at present)

If I save a few grand on the car wont that offset the CR advantages

Any objective views appreciated

Edited 1 February, 201016 yr by Stuart_J

The OTR price should work out cheaper for the CR140 in Ireland because of the way the Vehicle Registration Tax works.

Ok something for you to discuss

CR140 - PD140 what are the plusses of the Cr, I can see quieter & a bit better on fuel, emissions less but Im no green so not worried about that

The Pd is proven (faults known) I know what can be tuned once its out of warranty in a couple of years, the dpf can be removed, Whats the potential with the Cr

The Cr will be more expensive, Ive had a few hints that way.

Skoda are doing some cracking deals on the PD but only until the end of March (at present)

If I save a few grand on the car wont that offset the CR advantages

Any objective views appreciated

Looking at all the Tuning websites it looks like the CR140 performs better with a remap than the PD140, particularly the torque curve. If you want to check this out on the Bluefin and the Revo sites, search using the Passat CC 140, its the same engine.

I'd echo others - wait for the CR140. The PD is rougher. And I'd echo the other comments about the SP1s - why don't they just fit 16 inch wheels with deeper profiles. OK that's the only negatives. The car is brill on tracks and rough ground (careful of clearance) but great as a rural GP's car with plenty of space for all the kit and reassuringly sure-footed in all the recent snow. When it gets out on holiday it also doubled extremely well as a cycling support car over the Grossglockner!!! And carried all the tent and immense amount of kit we take on hols. It's well built and stands up to most things. It's more economical than we were expecting (50mpg+) and really cheap to insure, considering 4x4 etc. Ours has done 20k and no worries. I'd thoroughly recommend one.

I'd echo others - wait for the CR140. The PD is rougher. And I'd echo the other comments about the SP1s - why don't they just fit 16 inch wheels with deeper profiles. OK that's the only negatives. The car is brill on tracks and rough ground (careful of clearance) but great as a rural GP's car with plenty of space for all the kit and reassuringly sure-footed in all the recent snow. When it gets out on holiday it also doubled extremely well as a cycling support car over the Grossglockner!!! And carried all the tent and immense amount of kit we take on hols. It's well built and stands up to most things. It's more economical than we were expecting (50mpg+) and really cheap to insure, considering 4x4 etc. Ours has done 20k and no worries. I'd thoroughly recommend one.

Thanks

Im still in 2 minds, theres nothing really wrong with the PD & with the vat off at the moment its a big saving

I really wanted a CR but after a few test drives got persauded by the current good deals and ordered a 140PD 4x4. The only reference I have to compare the two motors was test driving a Yeti Elegance 140CR 4x4 and an Octavia Scout 140PD. Different cars I know but with enougth similarities to give some indication. My Thought was that the CR felt more linear in power delivery and more free reving. Picked up very gradually and felt almost petrol like in the power delivery. I also thought that it felt faster when reved hard. However it lacked the push in the back feeling from low revs that the PD gives. Actually felt quite sluggish from 50mph in top gear wheras the PD is quite responsive and quick. Also I DID NOT think the CR was any quieter or smother. In fact thought the PD in the Scout was slightly quieter!! Overall I think I narrowly prefered the PD in the Scout. As I said not the definitive comparison but that was my findings, and on the back of it I ordered the Octy. Hope that helps.

Lee

I really wanted a CR but after a few test drives got persauded by the current good deals and ordered a 140PD 4x4. The only reference I have to compare the two motors was test driving a Yeti Elegance 140CR 4x4 and an Octavia Scout 140PD. Different cars I know but with enougth similarities to give some indication. My Thought was that the CR felt more linear in power delivery and more free reving. Picked up very gradually and felt almost petrol like in the power delivery. I also thought that it felt faster when reved hard. However it lacked the push in the back feeling from low revs that the PD gives. Actually felt quite sluggish from 50mph in top gear wheras the PD is quite responsive and quick. Also I DID NOT think the CR was any quieter or smother. In fact thought the PD in the Scout was slightly quieter!! Overall I think I narrowly prefered the PD in the Scout. As I said not the definitive comparison but that was my findings, and on the back of it I ordered the Octy. Hope that helps.

Lee

Thanks

Your experience of the Yeti is exactly the same as a couple of dealers have said so its reasuring to hear, one even said if your looking for a car to tow or pull heavy loads avoid the CR engine. When we tested the PD we tried 50 to 90 in top on the motorway & it did seem to pull very well, Im getting convinced Now its just trying to see some in the colurs we want.

I've had mine a month.

I like:

the way it hardly notices snow, mud etc. Loads of room for the dog and lots of stuff in the boot. The net thingy in the boot is more useful than you think, as are the curry hooks. Comfy. Fast enough (but wouldn't take it on a track day!) General equipment levels. Seems quite solidly built. Cheap(ish) way to own a 4x4.

Don't like:

The heater really struggles to clear the windscreen in the morning. I've just found out that the aircon is ON by default (that might go someway to explaining my rubbish mpg). Seat squabs are a little too long for my short legs. The standard tyres are a really odd size.

Thanks

Your experience of the Yeti is exactly the same as a couple of dealers have said so its reasuring to hear, one even said if your looking for a car to tow or pull heavy loads avoid the CR engine. When we tested the PD we tried 50 to 90 in top on the motorway & it did seem to pull very well, Im getting convinced Now its just trying to see some in the colurs we want.

I'm glad to hear others have the same opinion, I was begening to think it might be just me as you say 50-90 in the PD feels strong, I thought in the CR it felt slow and un-responsive to start with then getting faster as it picked up speed. Overall best if you changed down wich wasn't quite what I expect of a diesel. I am planning to pull a caravan with the 4x4 so hopefully I've done the right thing buying now while the offers are on.

We've had our Scout for about 20 months and we love it. So much so that I've recently ordered a new Skoda Octy for my short journeys to work. We have the TDI with about 31000 miles on the clock and it runs really well. Handles well, for a 4WD, is comfy to drive, though it took a while to find a comfortable driving position. It has a good spec, big boot - the variable boot floor is great. We had it packed to the rafters at Christmas with a full roof box too and you wouldn't know it - the engine still pulled as well as ever. Average mpg is around 42-44 on day to day short journeys and nearer 50 on a long run. Slight downer is the 4x4 increases CO2 output compared with the normal Octy estates, but I can live with that! In the recent snow the car was fantastic, even on the rubbishy road tyres we have.

We considered other 4x4's (Freelander, X-Trail, Kuga, etc) but nothing comes close to the Scout for practicality, cheap to buy in the first place, and handling, without spending a load more money. And to be honest, unless you regularly go on serious off-roading, there isn't much the other 4x4's can do that the Scout can't.

Bad point about the interior would be the standard cloth seats mark really easily. I do wonder if the leather/alcantara seats would be better. The rest of the trim is fine though.

Edited 3 February, 201016 yr by GroundHog

. Slight downer is the 4x4 increases CO2 output compared with the normal Octy estates, .

My weekend toy is a 350 zed with twin turbos added & huge fairly empty zorsts so it can only be better

Thanks for the concise rersponse, we are going for the interior upgrade but would have prefered leather