Unless your Ayrton Senna the correct place for your paws is on the wheel at ten to two, it stands to reason that at higher speeds control is better maintained during gearchanges if you can do so without moving your hands off the wheel. Ideally you also need high geared steering. my GTA certainly had that - I could go from lock to lock without crossing arms. Of course you could just leave it in auto but at least you can still change gear when you want to with a mere finger flick should you want to.

I have had 38 cars in my lifetime and only two (a 1750 Alfa Spider and a Honda Civic Type R) had gearchanges of sufficient tactile quality that I would prefer over a flappy paddle, the rest gave no involvement or feel whatsoever and even if they did had pedals poorly placed to facilitate heel and toe gearchanges - something a good DSG box will do brilliantly.

We are talking about a Skoda Yeti? I don't think there is much comparison to a Honda Type R. One of the reasons for paddle changers was to control high speed sports cars - not SUVs. You will also note from another post that heel and toe gearchanges are not possible, even with a manual box, as the action of applying the brake cuts the signal from the accelerator, so heel and toeing becomes meaningless with VW ECU logic.

You will also note from another post that heel and toe gearchanges are not possible, even with a manual box, as the action of applying the brake cuts the signal from the accelerator, so heel and toeing becomes meaningless with VW ECU logic.

Not strictly so, in my experience.

There is enough leeway in the (VW/Skoda) ECU programming to allow for a 'blip' of the throttle for heel 'n' toe gearchanges or left foot braking with brief throttle to allow the spool-up of the torque converter on the tiptronic (slushmatic) gearbox. MInd you I find the pedal positions and weighting of the brake pedal all wrong to do a heel 'n' toe gearchange in my Octavia.

The (VW/Skoda) ECU will not though allow sustained combined brake/throttle application.

We are talking about a Skoda Yeti? I don't think there is much comparison to a Honda Type R. One of the reasons for paddle changers was to control high speed sports cars - not SUVs. You will also note from another post that heel and toe gearchanges are not possible, even with a manual box, as the action of applying the brake cuts the signal from the accelerator, so heel and toeing becomes meaningless with VW ECU logic.

We are talking about a skoda Yeti, but nowhere did I compare it to a Type R, I was stating the reasons behind my like of flappy paddles seeming as you asked.

I have no real intention of heel and toeing my Yeti - for a start it's an oiler so flywheel probably won't permit. I do very much intend to have fun driving it though because the Skoda engineers have done such a great job on the chassis settings.

We are talking about a skoda Yeti, but nowhere did I compare it to a Type R, I was stating the reasons behind my like of flappy paddles seeming as you asked.

I have no real intention of heel and toeing my Yeti - for a start it's an oiler so flywheel probably won't permit. I do very much intend to have fun driving it though because the Skoda engineers have done such a great job on the chassis settings.

Today I left my type r at the dealers for a couple of hours and took a 140 manual for a blast on the roads which I found the dsg Octavia underwhelming, what a difference, as long as the revs are kept above 1500 it was an absolute blast very nearly as much fun as I can have in my Honda.

My main disappointment was with the mpg only 2 or 3 better than my Honda does guess when I get a yeti I will have to calm down a little. :rofl:

I drove the fabia VRS with the 7 speed dry clutch DSG and didn't find it lurchy at all when manouvering. Lovely system but it is not an auto so put it in nuetral on a hill and only release the handbrake when you get on the gas. it will change up quickly on a light throttle in D mode (and scream its nuts off in S) but will change up higher with bigger throttle inputs and had a very reponsive kickdown.

Edited 4 August, 201015 yr by Matt Bodycombe

"It is not an auto so put it in neutral on a hill and only release the handbrake when you step on the gas" :wonder: ?

"It is not an auto so put it in neutral on a hill and only release the handbrake when you step on the gas" :wonder: ?

"Normal" auto transmissions have a torque converter, and will "crawl" on flat grounds and also not roll backwards in slopes when in gear, but the DSG is basically a standard gearbox with 2 automated clutches. In the same way as a manual car will roll backwards with the clutch depressed so will a car equipped with DSG on idle. I remember seeing a special note that keeping the car steady in slopes using the throttle might overheat the clutches and is something that should be avoided.

At least on some markets the Hill hold assistant is always included with the DSG, but if not it mght still be worth getting. This option keeps the brakes applied for a couple of seconds, and will gradually release the brakes when throttle is applied (this option is available also for manual cars).

"Normal" auto transmissions have a torque converter, and will "crawl" on flat grounds and also not roll backwards in slopes when in gear, but the DSG is basically a standard gearbox with 2 automated clutches. In the same way as a manual car will roll backwards with the clutch depressed so will a car equipped with DSG on idle. I remember seeing a special note that keeping the car steady in slopes using the throttle might overheat the clutches and is something that should be avoided.

At least on some markets the Hill hold assistant is always included with the DSG, but if not it might still be worth getting. This option keeps the brakes applied for a couple of seconds, and will gradually release the brakes when throttle is applied (this option is available also for manual cars).

'Hill Hold' is optional @ £85 on SE and standard on Elegance on the CR140 DSG Yeti

Either way, just use the hand or foot brake (left foot) to keep the car stationary.

I still learn something every day....Thanks

Have the HHC as an option on my manual SE TDI 140 and so far found it a useful feature, particularly working in conjunction with the off-road button. Although on steeper inclines you need to use more revs to overcome the initial hold of the brakes otherwise you can stall, I know this from experience

My wife has a Fabia II FL on order and we have been able to opt for HHC again as part of a ESP Plus package on this model which also includes TPM.

Regards,

TP

"It is not an auto so put it in neutral on a hill and only release the handbrake when you step on the gas" :wonder: ?

Sorry I should have said conventional auto!

"It is not an auto so put it in neutral on a hill and only release the handbrake when you step on the gas" :wonder: ?

Sorry I should have said conventional auto!

Well I was chatting to the very helpful Gary at Hobins yesterday and not only got a build week for my SM (39) which should make it Mid Octoberish delivery, but also blagged a go in the DSG TD140 they have in the showroom. It will be registered as a demo in September. The only Yeti I have driven so far is a 1.2 - which I was mighty impressed with after an initial dose of scepticism as to how such a small motor could cope. However, I soon made a case for 4WD and diesel power so it will be interesting to see what the 140 and it's DSG box is like.

Gary also mentioned that a lot of his build dates have subsequently been brought forward. Signs of improvement at the factory

Edited 6 August, 201015 yr by Fluffy destroyer of worlds

Well I was chatting to the very helpful Gary at Hobins yesterday and not only got a build week for my SM (39) which should make it Mid Octoberish delivery, but also blagged a go in the DSG TD140 they have in the showroom. It will be registered as a demo in September. The only Yeti I have driven so far is a 1.2 - which I was mighty impressed with after an initial dose of scepticism as to how such a small motor could cope. However, I soon made a case for 4WD and diesel power so it will be interesting to see what the 140 and it's DSG box is like.

Gary also mentioned that a lot of his build dates have subsequently been brought forward. Signs of improvement at the factory

I ordered mine towards the end of June and have been waiting for the factory to finish its 'summer break' to be told the Build Date. Hopefully I'll hear soon.

When did you 'order' yours?

:DIt was the 3rd July, obviously haven't ordered a sunroof or anything tricky just a Candy white 140 Elegance with Annapurna alloys, underbody protection and the mud-flap/rubber mat option pack (which I didn't know existed).

It's going to be a long distance workhorse, my wife does ultramarathons - Europe wide and I Pike fish and have a boat - will need to get a tow bar I suppose but can't run to that yet. It certainly will be going 'off road' though not in extremis.

To say I am looking forward to its arrival is a gross understatement, coping with the Fuhrers smartcar at the moment but a long distance cruiser it most certainly is not. Motorway trips are akin to attempting re-entry in a space shuttle with a few tiles missing