What year?

Surely the age of the car is irrelevant as anything changeable/worth changing has been changed. What you really want to know is how much history is there?

Wonder how much it's been thrashed, and why is it now 'FOR SALE' ???

That's EXACTLY why these very highly tuned cars don't sell. Most people assume (often correctly) that it's been taken a step too far and is now a bag of bolts waiting to explode (expensively).

That's EXACTLY why these very highly tuned cars don't sell. Most people assume (often correctly) that it's been taken a step too far and is now a bag of bolts waiting to explode (expensively).

I totally disagree with this statement. In fact I think it is so far off the mark it's scary.

A car as extensively modified and highly tuned as mine, devonutopia's or warwick's has many uprated parts which are far better/stronger than their equivalent standard oem part. Also if you own such a heavily modified car with all paper work/receipts etc... it shows how well the car has been looked after and cared for.

Where as buying an unmodified one you run the risk of it being owned by someone who has no idea about cars/ doesn't care about the car as long as it gets them from A-B hence takes no care of it until somthing goes wrong.

Buying a slightly modified one i.e. a mapped, lowered example is more likely to have been 'thrashed' IMO or being owned by a 'boy racer'.

In reality buying a modified one or a standard one you always run the risk of buying a lemon. When buying not going to look at a car due to it being modified is ridiculous. Not buying the car because the modifications are crap or the car looks/runs like a bag of bolts or their is somthing dodgy about the seller is a completely different thing.

I totally disagree with this statement. In fact I think it is so far off the mark it's scary.[/Quote]

Why? Did you read the bit above this?

A car as extensively modified and highly tuned as mine, devonutopia's or warwick's has many uprated parts which are far better/stronger than their equivalent standard oem part. Also if you own such a heavily modified car with all paper work/receipts etc... it shows how well the car has been looked after and cared for.[/Quote]

No, it shows how much money has been spent on it. It doesn't show if it was used for long runs or short runs or revved aggressively from cold. I could chuck money at a car and thrash it just as easily as I could cherish it. And just because you have the work done at a 'respected' workshop doesn't mean it's good. A major forum sponsor fitted my 312mm brakes for me and they needed £130 worth of rectification work done by the dealer in Norwich. The mistake made was so elementary (routing the brake line wrongly) that the dealer told SWMBO not to let me do any more DIY on the car.

Where as buying an unmodified one you run the risk of it being owned by someone who has no idea about cars/ doesn't care about the car as long as it gets them from A-B hence takes no care of it until somthing goes wrong.[/Quote]

You're assuming that the person you are buying it from is the first owner. Suppose the first owner sells his/her car and the next person to have it doesn't look after it?

Buying a slightly modified one i.e. a mapped, lowered example is more likely to have been 'thrashed' IMO or being owned by a 'boy racer'.

I'd say the chances are exactly the same.

In reality buying a modified one or a standard one you always run the risk of buying a lemon. When buying not going to look at a car due to it being modified is ridiculous. Not buying the car because the modifications are crap or the car looks/runs like a bag of bolts or their is somthing dodgy about the seller is a completely different thing.

Modifications put people off. They just do.

Come on wja96, pull yourself together fella. I was disagreeing with what you had said and giving my reasons why. No need to try and dissect what I had put and argue a case, this was not my intention.

We just don't agree on certain things. One thing we do agree on is that modifications do put people off, although what I was saying is that they shouldn't as you can always look and try without obligation to buy.

What your latest post actually says to me (and I agree with) is that no matter what you buy, unmodified, slightly modified or highly modified, it is still a lottery as to the condition of the car you are buying (although I still don't think anyone spends over £10k on modifying a car and its engine to then run it into the ground). Either way, I'm gonna gracefully bow out of this thread now

I can't handle a reasoned argument... ..I'm gonna run away now

If I were buying a second hand car I'd ask what has it had done or fitted. I'd be happy to pay a little extra with mods left on than mods taken off.

On the other hand if there's two standard cars, 1 has previously been modified, I'd go for the always standard car

Edited 18 December, 201015 yr by fabia55

I would never buy a modified car!

Where's the fun in that?

I've bought a modified car before.....

Its catch 22, all depends if its been modified by an enthusiast or a chav....You can determine the two more or less instantly by looking at the quality and choice of modifications taken out, service history etc...

I bought my 106 XSi from an enthusiast who rebuilt the engine himself and did all the high lift cam work, stronger valves etc. So i knew it had been done properly. He even thrashed it round on the test drive to show me what the car was capable of.

Simular case senario with myself, i bought my 306 GTI-6 standard, serviced by myself every 10k with good quality oil, rebuilt the head, replaced the cambelt kit and head gasket while i was at. Fitted KW coilovers, replaced wishbones, uprated wheel bearings, drop links etc etc... upgraded the brakes, re sealed all the arches and underneth of the car, polished it twice a year and washed weekly. Put it up for sale and within the first few days it had gone for the full asking price by the first viewer because i kept everything documented. Even down to nuts and bolts.

Same thing happned to my 306 Dturbo.

So my answer is yes i would lol...Dependant of the history and standard of the modifications.

for a proper stage 2 vrs... thats tastefull... i think you could get another 1k-1.5k ontop of standard....

BUT just think how many thousands you've spent on it that you will never recoup!!

my golf has 12k of mods on it, and im selling for just shy of 6k

Edited 31 December, 201015 yr by BigJase88

I personally would never, ever buy a car already modified. As a seller, you might be able to find someone who wants all the bits done it to, but cant be bothered to do it themselves. However, i`d say the chance of that is very slim. Better off putting it back to standard, although leather would be worth keeping in it i think.

Matt

That mean even if the funds had been ok you wouldn't have actually bought my Ibiza?

That mean even if the funds had been ok you wouldn't have actually bought my Ibiza?

haha

There is no rule, only lots of exceptions. Everyone will go their own way in a given situation.

Imagine - a (stage 2/3) 250+bhp fabia comes up for sale on this forum. 0-60 in 5.8 secs proven. Paperwork and receipts of all work done totalling 13k including labour.

90k on clock, 70k on current engine as was replaced. Maintained regardless of cost.

Up for sale for 6k. Would you buy it?

hell no

IF it was owned by someone on the forum, and there was very well documented history/pictures/project thread, then yeah i`d consider it. But not just any old car on ebay.

That mean even if the funds had been ok you wouldn't have actually bought my Ibiza?

Does that not answer your question? :no: You and the boca were different, i know you know what your doing, but thats different to buying a car blind on ebay/pistonheads/etc. Its also not often you find a modded car where every mod is as you`d have done it yourself :p

matt

Edited 31 December, 201015 yr by matt1chelski

Does that not answer your question? :no: You and the boca were different, i know you know what your doing, but thats different to buying a car blind on ebay/pistonheads/etc. Its also not often you find a modded car where every mod is as you`d have done it yourself :p

matt

Why but as Walt very diplomatically said

No, it shows how much money has been spent on it. It doesn't show if it was used for long runs or short runs or revved aggressively from cold. I could chuck money at a car and thrash it just as easily as I could cherish it. And just because you have the work done at a 'respected' workshop doesn't mean it's good. A major forum sponsor fitted my 312mm brakes for me and they needed £130 worth of rectification work done by the dealer in Norwich. The mistake made was so elementary (routing the brake line wrongly) that the dealer told SWMBO not to let me do any more to it

That was myself, hundreds of 312mm brake conversions and that one went wrong for whatever reason, very embaressing for myself and of course Unit18 at the time, Shows you no one is perfect. Sadly as Walt mentioned we didn't have the opportunity to rectify it or make up for it.

. And he was DESPERATE to sell it.......

Not really. I would literally have scrapped it as it was if I didn't sell it.