Does the DSG monitor what the driver does and modify its behaviour accordingly? I was not aware of it.

It certainly does!

The gearbox needs to learn your driving style, this takes a good couple of hours/days of driving for it to get used to you and you to it! After a week in the lakes up and down big hills and narrow lanes my box was terrible changing up far too soon etc but within a couple of hours of being back on the open road it was back to normal.

Does the DSG monitor what the driver does and modify its behaviour accordingly? I was not aware of it.

It certainly does!

Let me get this straight. Of course, the DSG responds to what the driver is doing at the moment he does it - but does it learn this behaviour (over several trips, as you suggest) and set itself up accordingly?

Let me get this straight. Of course, the DSG responds to what the driver is doing at the moment he does it - but does it learn this behaviour (over several trips, as you suggest) and set itself up accordingly?

I have noticed with mine that when driving in manual mode, then switching back to 'auto', the 'auto' mode has 'learned' how I drove the car in manual therefore altered the rev limits and downshifts accordingly.

Same thing will happen when you drive in auto all the time, the box adapts itself to your specific driving behaviour. It does this over a course of days, however. The effect will not be immediately noticeable.

Let me get this straight. Of course, the DSG responds to what the driver is doing at the moment he does it - but does it learn this behaviour (over several trips, as you suggest) and set itself up accordingly?

Did a Poll on GTI forum quite late last night about what guys thought of their DSG in their Golfs.

Post #17 mentions about how the DSG learns your driving style.

DSG Owners poll

read though this link in particular ppost#17. I believe the manual mentions about the DSG learning driving styles.

Edited 29 January, 201115 yr by janner_Sy

Page 98 of the new fabia manual explains the dynamic shift program of the dsg gearbox.

I... the box adapts itself to your specific driving behaviour. It does this over a course of days, however..

If this is so, why don't they advertise it in the brochure? It is a great selling point, I would have thought.

Let me get this straight. Of course, the DSG responds to what the driver is doing at the moment he does it - but does it learn this behaviour (over several trips, as you suggest) and set itself up accordingly?

Ok let me try and explain it a little clearer! It sort of learns how you drive....If for example you are driving down a road and you are in fifth but you rather it be in 4th then if you blip the throttle or manually 'flap' the gear down if you do this a few times when it does it it will keep it in the gears longer. On the other hand if you change it up manually it will change it up quicker. It is very difficult to describe and isn't really noticeable until you are in a different environment like i was in the Lakes and it was changing up so early compared to what i was used to!

I think that if Skoda actually knew what half there cars did and the features that we wanted on them (Bluetooth and MFSW on a manual for example) then they would have a hell of a bigger market share!

Ok let me try and explain it a little clearer! It sort of learns how you drive....If for example you are driving down a road and you are in fifth but you rather it be in 4th then if you blip the throttle or manually 'flap' the gear down if you do this a few times when it does it it will keep it in the gears longer. On the other hand if you change it up manually it will change it up quicker. It is very difficult to describe and isn't really noticeable until you are in a different environment like i was in the Lakes and it was changing up so early compared to what i was used to!

I think that if Skoda actually knew what half there cars did and the features that we wanted on them (Bluetooth and MFSW on a manual for example) then they would have a hell of a bigger market share!

If some of the salesmen knew half the existing functions on the current range they would sell a lot more as well !!

If some of the salesmen knew half the existing functions on the current range they would sell a lot more as well !!

dont think they can sell more just extend the waaaaaiting time

I love top gear as a program, very ' entertaining ' these days, I dont read the magazine at all.

I like the program a lot and take a little heed on the car reviews, although most of the cars I will never be able to afford or ever want to buy in the first place. If they dont like the vRS that much so be it, however once a punter test drives it (when they get a decent test drive) a lot of people buy. Plus people like the fact that as mentioned elsewhere its a VAG product but doesn't carry the VAG price that the Polo does and it doesn't have the slightly boy racer/slightly down market build quality appeal the at the seat does.

A few will listen to top gear but not many.

The vRS will sell on product combined with excellent pricing alone.

well watch the Autocar review vid on the Polo GTi, Seat Ibiza Cupra and Fabia vRS. Even they didnt like the DSG very much, but they still said they would have the Fabia over the Polo.

Only reason I am not a DSG fan is fairly simple - how many thousands will it cost to get replaced or fixed if it goes wrong compared to the price for a normal manual? maybe when they are more common (and thus cheaper to replace/mend) I will like them more, until then I am going to stick to a nice manual. Not sure why Skoda only gave the TSi a 5-speed instead of a 6 like in the Yeti but hey ho!

Just wondering now if and when the Polo R and Audi S1 come out, will there be a Seat Ibiza Cupra R and a Fabia vRS+ with the same 1.6 TFSI 220 engine?

As for the old vRS being a "warm" hatch, isnt that more or less the role of the Elegance now until the Sport comes out? (if it ever does in the UK!)

Edited 30 January, 201115 yr by Ross Chapman

well watch the Autocar review vid on the Polo GTi, Seat Ibiza Cupra and Fabia vRS. Even they didnt like the DSG very much, but they still said they would have the Fabia over the Polo.

Only reason I am not a DSG fan is fairly simple - how many thousands will it cost to get replaced or fixed if it goes wrong compared to the price for a normal manual? maybe when they are more common (and thus cheaper to replace/mend) I will like them more, until then I am going to stick to a nice manual. Not sure why Skoda only gave the TSi a 5-speed instead of a 6 like in the Yeti but hey ho!

Just wondering now if and when the Polo R and Audi S1 come out, will there be a Seat Ibiza Cupra R and a Fabia vRS+ with the same 1.6 TFSI 220 engine?

As for the old vRS being a "warm" hatch, isnt that more or less the role of the Elegance now until the Sport comes out? (if it ever does in the UK!)

The fabia sport is a hell of a car,its doing the rounds on youtube its awesome bit of kit

Top Gear actually makes the BBC money rather than costing license payers money. It is one of the most popular shows in the world. Don't think you could say that if Chris Goffey and Quentin Wilson was still presenting it. There is really no need for that sort of factual programme any more with the wealth of information on the internet and in magazines.

I think Top Gear is a great Sunday evening entertainment programme and doesn't in anyway make itself out to be anything other than that.

As for Fifth Gear though, i gave up on that a long time ago....

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:thats the way to tell em

There seems to be some severe disagreement in the Top Gear camp.

I have a glowing review of the Fabia VRS in front of me by a certain Richard Hammond writing in The Daily Mirror.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/advice/motoring/richard-hammond/2010/08/13/czech-skoda-fabia-vrs-a-match-for-vw-115875-22681806/

Not sure how to post links, the link icon did nothing for me when writing this.

Tony

p.s. It seems to have worked.

Edited 30 January, 201115 yr by tonyfvrs

Only reason I am not a DSG fan is fairly simple - how many thousands will it cost to get replaced or fixed if it goes wrong compared to the price for a normal manual? maybe when they are more common (and thus cheaper to replace/mend) I will like them more, until then I am going to stick to a nice manual. Not sure why Skoda only gave the TSi a 5-speed instead of a 6 like in the Yeti but hey ho!

This is what warranties are for mate...

Also when in 3 or is it 4 years when warrenty is gone DSG will be far more common.

Also the clutches not that difficult to change. Since the DSG protects itself it will be harder wearing than any manual which mistakes can be made on with ease. The only thing you have to do with the DSG is change the clutches which you would have to do on the manual anyway.

Fact of the matter is humans shy away from change and fear what they dont understand. Most people that slate DSG and the 1.4TSi are in that category. I've had my car for 21k miles now. I love it and DSG is just as fun (but in a different way) than any of my manual car were.

Edited 31 January, 201115 yr by mardon

Also the clutches not that difficult to change. Since the DSG protects itself it will be harder wearing than any manual which mistakes can be made on with ease. The only thing you have to do with the DSG is change the clutches which you would have to do on the manual anyway.

The clutch plates in the 7 speed DSG box mated to the 1.4TSI engine (and lower) is "rated for the lifetime of the car". i.e. you shouldn't *ever* need to replace them - at least - so I've been told.

The clutch plates in the 7 speed DSG box mated to the 1.4TSI engine (and lower) is "rated for the lifetime of the car". i.e. you shouldn't *ever* need to replace them - at least - so I've been told.

they can be replaced but as you said, the gear box has been designed to outlast the life of the engine.

The clutch plates in the 7 speed DSG box mated to the 1.4TSI engine (and lower) is "rated for the lifetime of the car". i.e. you shouldn't *ever* need to replace them - at least - so I've been told.

"Rated for lifetime"of what ,no way will you be able to get this gearbox to last a lifetime nobody knows really how long they may last,double clutch system I think with this gearbox if this breaks it will cost loads to fix,with some of you VRS drivers saying its difficult to get to grips with it you may be putting it under a lot of strain,its an engine with not only a turbo a supercharger also a hell of a lot of loading going through the front wheels,clutch problems you well may have expensive it will be,this system was not mated to the VRS its simple the VAG group never had a manual for it.if they had a manual 6 or 7 speed box you would be driving.

"Rated for lifetime"of what ,no way will you be able to get this gearbox to last a lifetime nobody knows really how long they may last,double clutch system I think with this gearbox if this breaks it will cost loads to fix,with some of you VRS drivers saying its difficult to get to grips with it you may be putting it under a lot of strain,its an engine with not only a turbo a supercharger also a hell of a lot of loading going through the front wheels,clutch problems you well may have expensive it will be,this system was not mated to the VRS its simple the VAG group never had a manual for it.if they had a manual 6 or 7 speed box you would be driving.

You can't really but strain on it...its computer controlled, you can't do anything to it that it doesn't want to do!

You can't really but strain on it...its computer controlled, you can't do anything to it that it doesn't want to do!

Apparently you can the DSG will lag and tell you when its ready to go,if you drive it hard on anything other than dry asphalt it will not give you what you want,i.e the gear you picked for it ,this is very much the downfall of the VRS nail on head computer controlled,a supercar she aint no no no in a Fabia yes in the octi and superb

Apparently you can the DSG will lag and tell you when its ready to go,if you drive it hard on anything other than dry asphalt it will not give you what you want,i.e the gear you picked for it ,this is very much the downfall of the VRS nail on head computer controlled,a supercar she aint no no no in a Fabia yes in the octi and superb

Can't say i've noticed in the last 11k miles....

"Rated for lifetime"of what ,no way will you be able to get this gearbox to last a lifetime nobody knows really how long they may last,double clutch system I think with this gearbox if this breaks it will cost loads to fix,with some of you VRS drivers saying its difficult to get to grips with it you may be putting it under a lot of strain,its an engine with not only a turbo a supercharger also a hell of a lot of loading going through the front wheels,clutch problems you well may have expensive it will be,this system was not mated to the VRS its simple the VAG group never had a manual for it.if they had a manual 6 or 7 speed box you would be driving.

Rated for the lifetime of the car, according to the Skoda garage. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the statement.

Your statement has a lot of if's, when's and maybes. That's no different to most of the comments on this subject around the internet.

Speak to a VW mechanic and he'll tell you he has seen a few DSG boxes that need replacing. He'll probably also tell you about a few engines that needed replacing, a few manual gearboxes that needed replacing. A few ECUs that needed replacing. All in different cars at different times. It's unfortunately not really an indication of anything in particular.

Such is the quality of the information available at a local and internet level - i.e. mostly hearsay and not fact based.

Nobody can claim the system is perfect, but it suits those people who chose to buy one in an informed way. Those that didn't, might be unhappy, and might complain. It's the same as if you bought a stereo without trying it out properly in the shop first, and then finding it only has one speaker. Fine for people who only want one speaker. Bit of a problem for those who don't.

Can I suggest that anyone who doesn't want, like, or trust a DSG gearbox, simply buys something else? Is that too much to ask? :S

Rated for the lifetime of the car, according to the Skoda garage. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the statement.

Your statement has a lot of if's, when's and maybes. That's no different to most of the comments on this subject around the internet.

Speak to a VW mechanic and he'll tell you he has seen a few DSG boxes that need replacing. He'll probably also tell you about a few engines that needed replacing, a few manual gearboxes that needed replacing. A few ECUs that needed replacing. All in different cars at different times. It's unfortunately not really an indication of anything in particular.

Such is the quality of the information available at a local and internet level - i.e. mostly hearsay and not fact based.

Nobody can claim the system is perfect, but it suits those people who chose to buy one in an informed way. Those that didn't, might be unhappy, and might complain. It's the same as if you bought a stereo without trying it out properly in the shop first, and then finding it only has one speaker. Fine for people who only want one speaker. Bit of a problem for those who don't.

Can I suggest that anyone who doesn't want, like, or trust a DSG gearbox, simply buys something else? Is that too much to ask? :S

Course not,thats why I did not! well maybe something to with my age but if I am not changing the gears myself,then don't think I am in controlsecretly I wan't one but the wife would never let me have it,lead in right foot I have

Edited 31 January, 201115 yr by seboni121

... the gear box has been designed to outlast the life of the engine.

Yeah. See, that's the real problem - the engine doesn't last long enough

Yeah. See, that's the real problem - the engine doesn't last long enough

in that case they have succeeded in making the DSG last longer then.