Morning all,

I have racked up just under 60k on my pd vrs. I am now thinking of changing it to avoid the cost of cambelt water pump etc. However its not as this is a massive bill, its just backed up by the issues i had the other day when i needed a new injector and loom at the cost of £1000! good will from skoda paid 400 to knock it to £600 but still.

I was wondering what sort of mileage you have racked up on your pd 170's and what problems you have had later down the line if any. I want to keep the car but at the same time warranty is fairly important as i can't afford repair bills like this cropping up again. Also needs front tyres, brake fluid etc, so all can be avoided by getting rid of it.

The only downside is skodas are so much money to buy new now or used that i would have to change it to a lesser brand in terms of build quality etc.

85k on my mine and (touch wood, touch wood, touch wood) only the DPF problem (removed now via Shark performance) so far (though that can prob be put down to me doing lots of short journies and very long ones occasionally).

So far so good, car pulls like a steam train looks the business and no nasty surprises (touch wood).

Damn i hate tempting fate :(

sorry to get you tempting fate!

I thought about the dpf removal by shark. My dpf has a hairline crack in the casing so skoda say and they only wanted £1000 to fix it! I thought i would just get the crack welded, still not sure what to do with it though. DPF is fine its just the casing.

Does the shark map and removal make all the difference then?

No problems with injectors then you lucky man!

The lasy week i searched the web for injector problems on the BMN engine. It seems that there are quite a few cases they failed.

The ones that are most exposed to the problem are the ones that equip the pre 08 cars. However the problem ocured to newer cars in some isolated cases.

At the moment i'm trying to gather information concerning the swap of the Damn Siemens Piezoelectric injectors for Bosch or other manufacturer Piezoelectric injectors. So far i couldn;t find enything about it.

The engines that have the problematic injectors seem to be BMN 170 HP, BKP 140 HP and BMR 170 HP.

So would i be right in assuming if the engine is one of that has the problematic injectors and they fail are replaced. They are in fact working but obviously still problematic. so could go again at any point.

I am assuming my one that was replaced is now under some kind of warranty for 12months from skoda as they done the work. However , nobody seems to be all that bothered about calling me back when they say they will at the dealers.

Thanks again

I am assuming my one that was replaced is now under some kind of warranty for 12months from skoda as they done the work.

VAG genuine parts normally come with a 2 year warranty, so probably worth checking (obviously this is in addition to any statutory "warranties" of fitness, etc)

surely a PD engine with 60k on the clock is only just about run in? My Golf PD 130 is still going strong with 200k on the clock, no major problems at all. I'm hoping my vrs lasts a lot longer than 60k before it starts playing up.

The early Bosch solenoid PD injectors are reliable.

The later Siemens version (2 mounting holes and different connector orientation) are not - and the ECU is designed in such a way that if an injector shorts to ground, the engine can cut out completely.

VAG "progress"? They must learn to test things before applying the bean counters.

rotodiesel.

The injectors are not interchangeable, either on the engine or between ECUs as the drive requirements are completely different. A PD engine with Siemens injectors is, in my opinion, a liability to own.

Edited 23 March, 201115 yr by rotodiesel

I've never heard of Bosch injectors in a PD170.

The early Bosch solenoid PD injectors are reliable.

The later Siemens version (2 mounting holes and different connector orientation) are not - and the ECU is designed in such a way that if an injector shorts to ground, the engine can cut out completely.

VAG "progress"? They must learn to test things before applying the bean counters.

rotodiesel.

The injectors are not interchangeable, either on the engine or between ECUs as the drive requirements are completely different. A PD engine with Siemens injectors is, in my opinion, a liability to own.

Do you know when they started using the Siemens injectors? Or in other words what type injectors will my December 2006 vRS be fitted with?

Morning all,

I have racked up just under 60k on my pd vrs. I am now thinking of changing it to avoid the cost of cambelt water pump etc. However its not as this is a massive bill, its just backed up by the issues i had the other day when i needed a new injector and loom at the cost of £1000! good will from skoda paid 400 to knock it to £600 but still.

I was wondering what sort of mileage you have racked up on your pd 170's and what problems you have had later down the line if any. I want to keep the car but at the same time warranty is fairly important as i can't afford repair bills like this cropping up again. Also needs front tyres, brake fluid etc, so all can be avoided by getting rid of it.

The only downside is skodas are so much money to buy new now or used that i would have to change it to a lesser brand in terms of build quality etc.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/170017-highest-mileage-on-vrs-tdi-pd/page__p__2066705__hl__170+touran__fromsearch__1#entry2066705

That thread might help? In relation to my post about the Touran, it's on 111k now and the G201 / ABS / ESP fault has just occured.

Do you know when they started using the Siemens injectors? Or in other words what type injectors will my December 2006 vRS be fitted with?

All of the PD TDI VRS cars have Siemens piezoelectric injectors beginig from the year 2005 to 2009.

The most failed ones come from the cars produced from 2005 to the end of 2007. However there have been cases on the newer cars too.

Begining with 2008 they seem to have changed something in the ECU information in order not to shut down the engine when an inhector goes out. This way you could drive in 3 injectors until you can get to a service.

Before they did this if an injector went bad the engine died completly. Imagine this happening while overtaking...

All of the PD TDI VRS cars have Siemens piezoelectric injectors beginig from the year 2005 to 2009.

The most failed ones come from the cars produced from 2005 to the end of 2007. However there have been cases on the newer cars too.

Begining with 2008 they seem to have changed something in the ECU information in order not to shut down the engine when an inhector goes out. This way you could drive in 3 injectors until you can get to a service.

Before they did this if an injector went bad the engine died completly. Imagine this happening while overtaking...

Yes, imagine doing this at outside lane motorway speed past hgv's and a massive bang then no engine!!!! Fun getting to the emergency lane I tell you!

Dealer thought the turbo had gone initially, warranty covered and it's now on 83k miles. Specialist VW centre wasn't keen on the PD's but this was due to taxi drivers using wrong oil and the cam's get destroyed?!

I admit i was also thinking that 60k is only just wearing it in. However, like i said, shock horror when it didn't start the other day and left me with a massive repair bill.

Bit the bullet and paid out for a warranty direct policy for the next year. Mixed reveiws i know but hopefully worth a go!

Before they did this if an injector went bad the engine died completly. Imagine this happening while overtaking...

I had this happen to me when overtaking a Skoda in my RS6plus at an iffy (in most cars) spot. I never saw the driver's face as I coasted to rest the other side of the hill, whilst fighting the very heavy steering and praying for a suitable gateway where I could get off the road without kerbing my alloys. He must have had a massive smile on his face as he put his electromagnetic pulse rifle down! Actually turned out to be a loose connection, but was a bit scary nevertheless.

Morning all,

I have racked up just under 60k on my pd vrs. I am now thinking of changing it to avoid the cost of cambelt water pump etc. However its not as this is a massive bill, its just backed up by the issues i had the other day when i needed a new injector and loom at the cost of £1000! good will from skoda paid 400 to knock it to £600 but still.

I was wondering what sort of mileage you have racked up on your pd 170's and what problems you have had later down the line if any. I want to keep the car but at the same time warranty is fairly important as i can't afford repair bills like this cropping up again. Also needs front tyres, brake fluid etc, so all can be avoided by getting rid of it.

The only downside is skodas are so much money to buy new now or used that i would have to change it to a lesser brand in terms of build quality etc.

Thinking of changing the car because of the need for a cambelt/waterpump? Madness in my view. It's £500 well-spent, and any decent buyer would knock that off the price anyway, as the requirement to get it done is imminent.

Plus you've had the injector issue sorted, so you might as well get use out of the money you've spent on that

60k is nothing, in the scheme of things. So keep running it

Thinking of changing the car because of the need for a cambelt/waterpump? Madness in my view. It's £500 well-spent, and any decent buyer would knock that off the price anyway, as the requirement to get it done is imminent.

Plus you've had the injector issue sorted, so you might as well get use out of the money you've spent on that

60k is nothing, in the scheme of things. So keep running it

I agree

IMO selling a acr you have spent money on and knowing its history to buy a lesser car (in every way) is a sure fire way of buying trouble.

Based on risk alone you are better off in the long run keeping the car.

Just imagine you sell your car which you have had to discount accoedingly for the cambelt change to buy a cheaper car with a whole host of problems. Cat's will always have a problem no matter how well you look after them. From a pesamistic point of view they will always cost you money. From an optamistic point of view you know the history of your car and thats worth its weoght in gold

Better the devil you know.

Never a truer word spoken....