We all think we can control oversteer as afterall we are all driving gods.

So we put a nice new set of michelin on the front. Attack are favourite round about, trailing braking as best we can, get the inside wheel in the air leaving the nice old 3mm tread tyre on the other side to keep the arse in line. Maybe hit some left over standing water while were doing it. **** one as we weren't expecting the rear to step out THAT! much, quick opposite lock, little fish tail and were off down the straight with are heart beeting away. That was fun

On the other hand, not everyone drives like an arse on the public road.

On the other hand, not everyone drives like an arse on the public road.

All hail the man who wrote what others were thinking.

So why not just fit them to the back then? As understeer is safer.

So why not just fit them to the back then? As understeer is safer.

If that is aimed at me? then simple I drive within the cars and my capabilities, so I don't get understeer (or oversteer) and considering all the rear tyres do is stop the exhaust from dragging on the floor yet the fronts do sooo much more - steering, most of the braking, traction when pulling away etc (especially in poor conditions, be that snow or mud etc) for me it's an easy decision.

On the other hand, not everyone drives like an arse on the public road.

I think my reaction is that Faboka is speaking with a large dose of tongue in cheek. I think so anyway. I felt he was saying you might think you can handle your car with apparent expertise and with confidence in your ability to control it in extremis as per his initial example but if your rear tyres are well worn and the unexpected happens (witness his example of the child) then the worn rears will jump up and bite you on the... rear. I think!

Well done that man. 10 points

Gizmo, I'm happy that you try and drive within your limits of grip. One thing to think about. When you accelerate out of a bend, where does the weight transfer go?

Traction in snow is always helpful to get out of a sticky situation. We loved are autosocks last winter but as a result you had oversteer everywhere. So looking at a full set of winters for this year.

Traction in snow is always helpful to get out of a sticky situation. We loved are autosocks last winter but as a result you had oversteer everywhere. So looking at a full set of winters for this year.

As you'll see by looking at my previous extended ramblings of little consequence, my Dunlop winters (in the 215 60 16 size) are nestled on their steel wheels in a dark corner of Oldstan Towers awaiting the winter weather.

Sorry off topic.

You not been tempted to just leave them on all year round? Theirs a few interesting reviews on the net that test performance of winter, all season and summer Tyres in all situations. Some interesting results. But as you have both you have the best of both

Brief reply... and suggest the last on this thread re. winters for obvious reasons....Have space for both, can afford both and have steelies for bad weather and alloys for good weather and summers grip better in summer and ditto winters, so haven't considered winters all year round. If I were going to have just one set might try to research the best set of 'All Seasons'...but prefer the current arrangement. Go to one of the many threads on this to pursue enquiries/observations if you're inclined.

THE END!...

I think we've established that all the contributors to this topic are pretty clued up on tyres.

Were only preaching to the converted.

Unfortunately it's all the "others " on the roads you have to look out for.

e.g........The lovely young lady, who comes around to our house to do SWMBO's hair,had a "new" motor.

A very tidy 03 Reg Fiat punto.

She said it pulled to one side and was taking it back to the Garage to have the tracking checked.

I gave the tyres a quick onceover......

1 was a very worn Firestone,(I think it was original.)

The other 3 were all different makes of Ditchfinders, with different amounts of wear(1 had clearly spent part of it's life very underinflated.)

I suggested 4 new ones of any make,never mind whether to put 2 new ones on the front or back

I'll bet that when we next see the punto it still has the same tyres on..........

Strangely, I bet she would never been seen out with two different shoes - one an old boot, one an old sandal - effectively the same

I think we've established that all the contributors to this topic are pretty clued up on tyres.

Were only preaching to the converted.

Unfortunately it's all the "others " on the roads you have to look out for.

e.g........The lovely young lady, who comes around to our house to do SWMBO's hair,had a "new" motor.

A very tidy 03 Reg Fiat punto.

She said it pulled to one side and was taking it back to the Garage to have the tracking checked.

I gave the tyres a quick onceover......

1 was a very worn Firestone,(I think it was original.)

The other 3 were all different makes of Ditchfinders, with different amounts of wear(1 had clearly spent part of it's life very underinflated.)

I suggested 4 new ones of any make,never mind whether to put 2 new ones on the front or back

I'll bet that when we next see the punto it still has the same tyres on..........

SWMBO had her hair done again today ,so gave the punto's tyres a quick check........

Yes the 4 tyres are still there ,but swapped around by her mechanic friend.

the best 2 are now on the front,and a new track rod end has fixed the steering pulling to one side.:S

I have quite a lot of experience when it come to tyres and been involved in over 20,000 tyre fitments a year . For our customers , generally i offer the advice of fitting new to the rear but in some cases onto the front depending on type of use . On my own Yeti i am getting ready to fit 4 new Pzero rosso tyres which i ordered today as my goodyears have done 29000 and are about 2-3 mm with a slightly higher wear rate on the rear but i move mine around every 5000 miles . If i ever had to fit just two tyres i would put them on the back for my type of use which i would describe as progressive fast but also considerate to conditions and other road users.

Peter

I have quite a lot of experience when it come to tyres and been involved in over 20,000 tyre fitments a year . For our customers , generally i offer the advice of fitting new to the rear but in some cases onto the front depending on type of use . On my own Yeti i am getting ready to fit 4 new Pzero rosso tyres which i ordered today as my goodyears have done 29000 and are about 2-3 mm with a slightly higher wear rate on the rear but i move mine around every 5000 miles . If i ever had to fit just two tyres i would put them on the back for my type of use which i would describe as progressive fast but also considerate to conditions and other road users.

Peter

Hi Peter,

interesting to note that you have opted for Pirelli tyres over the original Goodyear's, any particular reason :wonder: Skoda only appeared to fit these very briefly to the Yeti in 2009 but for a year now it's just been the Dunlop I've seen coming from the factory on the 17" sports rims with the Goodyear being relagated to use on the 16" rims along with the Continental. Not a fan of the Continental despite their high rating in tyre tests myself, be going for something else when they wear out.

Regards,

TP

I like the pirelli rosso tyres as they have a very low noise rating , my goodyears are ok but i do find they drone a bit too much on motorways which i use 6 days a week for my commute but they have given good mileage. Dunlops are made by goodyear now and are virtually the same and being a older tyre man now I have seen and returned more dunlop complaints than any other brand in my 25 year experience , allthough the product is now better than any previous versions it still carries my memories. I too am not over keen on continentals they develop a lot of radial splits in the tread as they get older and after 3mm the grip falls off a cliff in the wet.

Peter

Thanks Peter,

good to get the view of one in the know Michelin's might get my vote as a summer tyre next time round, had them on the Golf TDI 4motion (Energy 3A I think), lasted very well and gave decent performance in all but snow.

Regards,

TP

Michelin is the best finished tyre produced currently they have a seemless internal liner machine and really produce a quality tyre if you get a chance have a look at the inside against other tyres . I toyed with the idea but just prefer the Zero rosso pattern upto the primacy hp.

The pirelli and the michelin give poor snow performance really but i would imagine like myself you have little care about this as you would have a set of winters tucked away .

Peter