This is aimed at guys who love to drive their vRS hard, but would want more control out of their DSG gearbox and are looking to tune their car as hopefully I will be getting some R&D done on mine to develop a DSG remap, and it would make more sense to design a dsg map to suit everyone

What would you want changed or added.

Were talking things like

removing kickdown,

Adding launch control

Removal of ecu limiter that cuts power when brakes are applied

Changing rev limit

Raising torque limit

Speeding up the down shifts when decellerating

Blipping the throtle on gear changes

Stopping the dsg shifting up itself when in manual mode

After the thoughts of guys who would consider the dsg remap and not the it'll voi the warranty posts as they are not useful

Cheers guys

Looking at the list you provided, some of these are not the function of the DSG box, but the main engine management ECU, eg.

Removal of ecu limiter that cuts power when brakes are applied

Heel and toe in a DSG will result in excessive wear of the clutches as they fight against the brakes.

I see little benefit in making the engine blip between changes as this would increase the time required to change gear.

What I don't like about my DSG superb is lack of control when in manual mode, I would like the car to hold the gear I have selected, especially when accelerating. I would also like a more speedy gear change, fair enough you'll lose some of the smoothness as a result, but the mechatronic may wear out faster.

You have summed up pretty good what I don't like about the DSG7, it's good but there is always room for improvement .

The only thing i would really want is quicker kick downs in sport mode and in manual would want it to be just that. Change gear when i want it too i mean it has a rev limiter for a reason but it changes up the moment it touches it and is a pain in the arse when your going round a tightish corner and it changes up before the apex.

Other than that wouldnt really use LC would be good for the strip though.

As for the blipping i think it does a pretty good job of matching the revs as it is.I dont think ive ever had a jerky downshift ever.

Whats the cost looking like for the remap out of interest?

Its fine as it is for me..and I'm talking all styles of driving

Youre asking for trouble messing around with it if you ask me..

But its your car..so go ahead

don't worry yourself i shall

I see what your saying though, for general cruising its perfect, but

in manual it wont hold a gear near the red line

im not a fan of kick down. It drops 1 gear to many everyime its activated causing a god almighty over rev followed by an immediate gear change, so its stupid

i want to make a sub 5 second 0-60 hence launch control,

I want the ability to heal and toe.

Also I have my car mapped so my power band is now different to stock so the gear change points could be optimized for the new power delivery

Edited 18 July, 201114 yr by janner_Sy

Only thing I would change Simon is the kickdown in tiptronic mode.... its supposed to use the gears you select, so when you want to exit a corner at 4k in third you do! instead it kicks down and you exit the corner in 2nd at 6.5k :wonder:

in "manual" it should only use the gears you select, otherwise the "mode" is pointless.... if its going to change automatically, how is it different to aouto with overide?

i think it works great, all i want is it to be a little faster.

Blip of the throttle would be possible as my DSG does that on my vRS (Octy vRS TSi) and it changes just as quick as any other DSG

Launch control is an overrated gimmick (again have it on mine) as there is too much torque at the point it holds the revs (3k rpm). You can launch better yourself by sticking in manual and short shifting to second.

I see no point in changing the Rev Limit as unless you have a bigger turbo your not making power that high up anyway so are just causing excessive wear on the box and engine for no reason. If you do an upshift with DSG and hold on to the paddle does it not override the change up function? It does on the Octy.

im not a fan of kick down. It drops 1 gear to many everyime its activated causing a god almighty over rev followed by an immediate gear change, so its stupid

I suggest, either you have a fault with your gearbox or you need to adapt your driving style to that of an automatic. Kickdown should only occur when you plant your foot into the carpet, if it occurs at other times then you have a fault that needs investigating. When you go full throttle, just before you should feel some resistance and as you press into that this is the kick down point. You get no extra power as you go into the resistance, all it does is trigger the kick down downshift, so if you stop before this point you still have WOT but no kick down.

Kickdown is great in overtaking situations, and could be dangerous if it does not work as you could be out of the power band as you start the manoeuvre (in auto mode of course). I do agree that in manual mode it should be just that though, and you should decide wether to downshift and not the car.

To get Heel and toe will require a rework of your current main ECU remap as the brake / throttle thing is not a restriction of the DSG gearbox but the main ECU. You'll need to find a company able to map out the throttle kill, but as its a safety feature many will be unwilling.

I suggest, either you have a fault with your gearbox or you need to adapt your driving style to that of an automatic. Kickdown should only occur when you plant your foot into the carpet, if it occurs at other times then you have a fault that needs investigating. When you go full throttle, just before you should feel some resistance and as you press into that this is the kick down point. You get no extra power as you go into the resistance, all it does is trigger the kick down downshift, so if you stop before this point you still have WOT but no kick down.

Kickdown is great in overtaking situations, and could be dangerous if it does not work as you could be out of the power band as you start the manoeuvre (in auto mode of course). I do agree that in manual mode it should be just that though, and you should decide wether to downshift and not the car.

To get Heel and toe will require a rework of your current main ECU remap as the brake / throttle thing is not a restriction of the DSG gearbox but the main ECU. You'll need to find a company able to map out the throttle kill, but as its a safety feature many will be unwilling.

Is this honestly true Manny? If so, I have a faulty gearbox.

I have done extrensive testing after otehrs have said they canb feel the "click" with kickdown.. my switch is mutch more sensistive, the slightest pressure on full throttle and it will operate. The I started experamenting with 3/4 throttle, and under certain circumstances (in tiptronic) it will STLL kick down a gear on exit from corners, even if I only have 3/4 throttle on

Having to make that many changes to the gearbox suggests to me that someone has bought the wrong car

I wouldn't mind a little more control in manual mode. I think the idea of kickdown manual is silly. I know I've seen mine drop from 7th to 4th not good.

Getting rid of the brake override on the throttle would be nice aswell. As I've started using my redundant left foot to brake

Gray

Getting rid of the brake override on the throttle would be nice aswell. As I've started using my redundant left foot to brake

Gray

^ This! I'd like to left foot brake. Most VAG's don'e let you do it though. It cuts throttle and there's no throttle respose for about a second before it comes back

The left foot braking switch is a feature both in the ECU and the gearbox.

Even if you remove it from the ECU, the gearbox will still send a torque reduction request.

I don't like the way that when motorway crusing at around 50/60 when you hit a mild incline it will sometimes change down from D7 to D6 (or D6 to D5). I haven't given it any more throttle so why doesn't it just sit in the more economical gear? Grrr.

I don't like the way that when motorway crusing at around 50/60 when you hit a mild incline it will sometimes change down from D7 to D6 (or D6 to D5). I haven't given it any more throttle so why doesn't it just sit in the more economical gear? Grrr.

if you want it to stay in 7th, simply put it in manual.

Having to make that many changes to the gearbox suggests to me that someone has bought the wrong car

Cheers for that i bought the car to modify, and thats what im doing. thanks for making this helpful post.....

I suggest, either you have a fault with your gearbox or you need to adapt your driving style to that of an automatic. Kickdown should only occur when you plant your foot into the carpet, if it occurs at other times then you have a fault that needs investigating. When you go full throttle, just before you should feel some resistance and as you press into that this is the kick down point. You get no extra power as you go into the resistance, all it does is trigger the kick down downshift, so if you stop before this point you still have WOT but no kick down.

Kickdown is great in overtaking situations, and could be dangerous if it does not work as you could be out of the power band as you start the manoeuvre (in auto mode of course). I do agree that in manual mode it should be just that though, and you should decide whether to downshift and not the car.

My kick down does only occur when the foot is fully planted, with the result being, the gear box changing down to far, hitting 6.5k and changing up immediately. and yes it is bloody dangerous hence why i drive around the issue and try not to activate by never going 100% WOT. i stop just short of the click, and would personally rather it was disabled so i can have full use of the pedal.

I dont think its my gearbox either, there are loads of guys on here and seatcupra net who say the same thing, so either all our gearboxes are duff, or its just a pants set-up and personally i think its the latter. Its purely an imbuggerance IMO.

Launch control is an overrated gimmick (again have it on mine) as there is too much torque at the point it holds the revs (3k rpm). You can launch better yourself by sticking in manual and short shifting to second.

i want it for the 1/4 mile and thats it. I was having to launch from tick over as the car cant be revved when the brake is applied and want to see if i can set a sub 5 second 0-60. It does work as all the guys with fastest DSG GTIs used launch conrol. in fairness the rev limit for launch control could be set lower if you wanted

I see no point in changing the Rev Limit as unless you have a bigger turbo your not making power that high up anyway so are just causing excessive wear on the box and engine for no reason. If you do an upshift with DSG and hold on to the paddle does it not override the change up function? It does on the Octy.

never mentioned raising the rev limit though carl just changing it. It could be lowered as well. That was asked as guys might be interested in going hybrid or big turbo, in fact guys are already doing this as we speak. What i do think is required is the gear change points need to be altered for the remapped guys as the power band is very very different now, so the shift points should be altered as well IMO.

Biggest difference for me would be make manual mode manual

Edited 19 July, 201114 yr by janner_Sy

From t'other forum

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Would be great if we could get these gearboxes working as they should. YES - get rid of the kickdown.

YES - launch control always handy for 1/4 mile fun:D.

Looking at the dyno graphs i can' date='t see the point in pushing the rev limit any higher as its not going to give access to any more usuable power.

As long as the torque limit is governed by electronics and the hardware can physically take more torque then YES. 300ft/lbs should be enough.

Quicker downchanges in SPORT would be great

YES - very annoying when it suddenly decides to shift up on its own after a few seconds being held in a certain gear.

For me the car should drive normally in "D" so the wife does n,t scare herself.

On another note, i,m thinking of developing a shift light as i,m sick of hitting the limiter and having to watch the dash when "making progress"[/quote']

I suggest, either you have a fault with your gearbox or you need to adapt your driving style to that of an automatic. Kickdown should only occur when you plant your foot into the carpet, if it occurs at other times then you have a fault that needs investigating. When you go full throttle, just before you should feel some resistance and as you press into that this is the kick down point. You get no extra power as you go into the resistance, all it does is trigger the kick down downshift, so if you stop before this point you still have WOT but no kick down.

That's not how kickdown works. The only time it will stay in any given gear is in manual. BUT it still won't let the car redline or stall so will change gears.

If you are in D mode then say i'm sat at 50mph in traffic on the M'Way in 6th, the traffic clears so i put my foot down but not pressing the kickdown switch the car will still drop to 5th or even 4th. It does this because the box knows that it will be too much strain on the clutch in 6th to accelerate both economically and safely so it will drop to 4th/5th.

What the kickdown switch does in layman's terms is tell the box "i want the lowest gear possible now to accelerate quickly so override everything else" so this in turn means the car will, say in the same scenario above, drop to 3rd or even 2nd.

The actual kick down button behind the pedal is a placebo it will be certain parameters ie load, speed etc so there should be no reason you couldnt control when it activates and have them come in sooner in sport or remove it entirely for manual.

However i think d is fine for the mundane driving.

When is this map likely to come out and how much roughly will it cost.

Also is it going to be an ecu out jobbie or a flash

Sy,

How many of those DSG GIT's are using REVO DSG Launch Control (just out of curiosity)

The reason i said what i did was because i tried it in the Octy. All it did was sit at 3krpm, go, wheelspin, kill power, go again. Granted i wasn't on a sticky drag strip with sticky tyres but i seriously don't see the point in saying "my car can do a sub 5sec 0-60" if it can't do it in the real world. You even said yourself that had you done your last track day at Santa Pod you could have knocked around 0.5sec off your time.

^^exactly as carl says.

the DSG is correct as well, it does change it to the lowest gear available within the rev limit, but, its above the power band and out of revs straight away.

Sy,

How many of those DSG GIT's are using REVO DSG Launch Control (just out of curiosity)

Yes they are all REVO DSG remapped cars, not std launch control.

The reason i said what i did was because i tried it in the Octy. All it did was sit at 3krpm, go, wheelspin, kill power, go again. Granted i wasn't on a sticky drag strip with sticky tyres but i seriously don't see the point in saying "my car can do a sub 5sec 0-60" if it can't do it in the real world. You even said yourself that had you done your last track day at Santa Pod you could have knocked around 0.5sec off your time.

Its a target ive set myself i want a 13.5 second 1/4 mile. i just want to get some good times at the strip, and since i dont want big power it will be better for me to make the gains lower down the speed spectrum where the car has the advantage over other cars.

theres already an Ibiza thats managed a 13.4, but he's stripped everything out and has race seats etc, i want to do it in more comfort

Bar steward i was hoping for a bite :rofl: