I picked up my Sunday Times in gear today to read at breakfast, and they give a big Mercedes £40K 4x4 SUV (450L?) a 4 star rating, I note the 0-60mph time is quoted as 8.2 secs, in same issue a Porker Panamera Diesel is quoted as 7.9 secs, when you consider the Yeti CR170 is 8.4 ..... well what is the 0-60 of the 1.8 TSI?

8.5 secs if memory serves me correctly.

The same (if unfettled).

Just looking across various threads here for the CR170:

Skoda Superb from 0-60 8.9 seconds

Skoda Yeti from 0-60 8.4 seconds

Skoda Octavia vRS - 2.0 TDI CR 170 vRS 0-60 (sec). 8.2 seconds

The Yeti CR170 is not too shabby at all off the mark. A real wolf hidden (TDi) in sheep's clothing.

Edited 23 August, 201114 yr by VRS-LE-OCT-II

TDI Rules

Edited 23 August, 201114 yr by Agerbundsen

TDI Rules

Until you get into FocusZtec's fettled 1,8 TSI. It will show any 170 (and I'd wager) most all fettled 170 TDIs a clean pair of heals in most every situation! It was miles and MILES faster feeling than Rockhopper's fettled TDI I have to say. (Sorry Mike )

Well Johann compared to a £40K Merc SUV & Porsche Panamera D it is not to shabby at all.

Well Johann compared to a £40K Merc SUV & Porsche Panamera D it is not to shabby at all.

I was not disputing that. Bang for buck the standard 1,8 TSI or 170 TDI are really good value for money in the 0-60 stakes. I'm just trying to say in the two fettled Yetis I've been a passenger in, there was FAR more bang for buck in the TSI than the TDI could ever dream of... To put it in perspective had Mike, Lee and I been doing a Top Gear racetrack drag race along a straight, I'd be in a Citroën 2CV, Mike in a mark 1 Golf GTI and Lee would be in a BMW M3 of any vintage. There is just no comparison - Mike and I would pass the finish line whole minutes after Lee. And I think (though I have not asked Lee) he spent just as much on his upgrade as Mike did. :yes:

Johann trying to compare the Yeti 1.8TSI/2.0CR170 against similar sized or fuel types for 0-60mph times is a better mercator of what the standard production Yeti can acheive compared to other production (un-tuned) cars like the group test in the OP, of coruse tuned versions can be radically different. As the TSi you mention, who are/is FocusZetec? Is that a member here or name of a tuner?

As the TSi you mention, who are/is FocusZetec? Is that a member here or name of a tuner?

Lee (FocusZtec) is a member on here yes.

Until you get into FocusZtec's fettled 1,8 TSI. It will show any 170 (and I'd wager) most all fettled 170 TDIs a clean pair of heals in most every situation! It was miles and MILES faster feeling than Rockhopper's fettled TDI I have to say. (Sorry Mike )

I know, I know, and slower than Bahnstormers as well I would expect..... Might even be slower than Octygone's CR110 (unless it's raining of course......)

You do have to remember the DSG is slow off the mark though.......

I feel a drag race coming on......

Until you get into FocusZtec's fettled 1,8 TSI. It will show any 170 (and I'd wager) most all fettled 170 TDIs a clean pair of heals in most every situation! It was miles and MILES faster feeling than Rockhopper's fettled TDI I have to say. (Sorry Mike )

Figure in an average of 46.4 MPG (UK) and TDI still rules.

Edited 23 August, 201114 yr by Agerbundsen

Agerbdundesn, my first VRS was a 1.8T and I still have nightmares about the amount of fuel that ole beast guzzled in standard form, never mind tweaked to within an inch of its life. A very thirsty engine. All things considered, the CR170 is a remarkable performance engine when you see the MPG and the 0-60mph across the Yeti, Superb & Octavia's.

Figure in an average of 46.4 MPG (UK) and TDI still rules.

See my signature. I can only dream of an AVERAGE of 46,4mpg... and having spoken to Lee his average is about 32 mpg which is not far off mine. Yet I have to fork out more money for every litre of diesel I put in.........

BUT in saying that I do not want a manual 1,8 TSI. No thanks. I'll consider it if they make a DSG.

Elsie is still the most economical of the 3 DSG's (900k, Bahnstormer's & Elsie), and I drive around London about 90% of the time. During the day I will be lucky to get 30mpg. My old 523i auto touring by comparison would be about 15mpg, but in the evening I can get into the 40's, but it does depend where in London I drive, of course.

See my signature. I can only dream of an AVERAGE of 46,4mpg... and having spoken to Lee his average is about 32 mpg which is not far off mine. Yet I have to fork out more money for every litre of diesel I put in.........

BUT in saying that I do not want a manual 1,8 TSI. No thanks. I'll consider it if they make a DSG.

Diesel here is about 10% less than petrol, and with around 20% better mileage and close to 20,000 miles per year the TDI is a no-brainer choice.

Knowing where you live, I can see that the DSG would be very attractive - or you might have a permanently sore left leg.

Edited 23 August, 201114 yr by Agerbundsen

Diesel here is about 10% less than petrol, and with around 20% better mileage and close to 20,000 miles per year the TDI is a no-brainer choice.

Knowing where you live, I can see that the DSG would be very attractive - or you might have a permanently sore left leg.

or sciatica in my legs...., which is why I now drive autos.

There is so much more choice if I could live with a manual.

Diesel here is about 10% less than petrol, and with around 20% better mileage and close to 20,000 miles per year the TDI is a no-brainer choice.

10% more for diesel here! Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

UK Petrol Prices for

Monday 22nd Aug 2011

Avg. Min. Max.

Unleaded: 134.58p 130.7p 149.9p

Diesel: 138.79p 134.7p 154.9p

LRP: 137.49p 134.9p 138.9p

Super: 142.13p 133.9p 153.9p

LPG: 75.25p 67.9p 84.9p

10% more for diesel here! Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

Which is why diesel is not the clear choice anymore...... in the AutoExpress magazine last week (I think) they had an article about the breakeven costs (in the UK) for a diesel. They showed pairs of cars from superminis, though hatchbacks to SUVs and in every single grouping the diesel needs to be driven nearly or over 30,000 miles PER ANNUM to break even... yes PER ANNUM. So unless you tow really heaving things or want a DSG, diesel should not be the default choice anymore. So next time I buy a new car and look at the Yeti and if there is a Yeti DSG 1,8 TSI I would seriously consider it over and above a Yeti TDI.

I'm astounded at how low some of the average MPG figures are for the TDIs - mine's on 46.6 average and I use all the power on a fairly frequent basis. Where safe and legal and so on, of course.

I like the pull of the diesel. Overtaking up hills, dual carriageways or over-taking lanes of course, with minimum of effort whilst the petrol cars inside me go backwards.

I also like the mid range of the diesel. Elsie's tdi unit pulls all the way to the redline at 5000rpm. I miss that other 1500-2000rpm of a decent petrol, (or the extra 10,000 on a sports bike )

The Auto's are always less economical than the manual ones, and in real life seem to be 5-10mpg down......which is huge, which to be honest, I don't really believe. Around town if I'm lucky I'll get about 350-400 miles on a tank before I need to refill, but on a long trip it goes up to about 500-550 miles per tank.

Looking at peoples signatures who use fuely, the average it displays in the signature from what I can tell, bares no relation to what the page says when you click on it, so I'm confused about fuely. The one in my signature, 900k's and Bahnstormers make much more sense (to me)

Which is why diesel is not the clear choice anymore...... in the AutoExpress magazine last week (I think) they had an article about the breakeven costs (in the UK) for a diesel. They showed pairs of cars from superminis, though hatchbacks to SUVs and in every single grouping the diesel needs to be driven nearly or over 30,000 miles PER ANNUM to break even... yes PER ANNUM. So unless you tow really heaving things or want a DSG, diesel should not be the default choice anymore. So next time I buy a new car and look at the Yeti and if there is a Yeti DSG 1,8 TSI I would seriously consider it over and above a Yeti TDI.

With the latest petrol turbos, they have almost as good mid range as a diesel, specially when remapped... Likewise I would be temped by a 4x4 2.0 tsi petrol DSG......

rockhopper - fair comment. It is about 10 years since I last drove a petrol car. It was a 2.0 Petrol Rover 620 but it was flat to drive, a bad buy by me. My previous car was a 1.8 petrol Vectra which also lacked overtaking power. The mid range pull of diesels was a revelation after those two and I have not tried a petrol car since. I don't know if I could face mpg in the mid 30's though.

Edited 23 August, 201114 yr by EdmundBlackadder

I don't know if I could face mpg in the mid 30's though.

Like our TDI DSG's ?????

Like our TDI DSG's ?????

:giggle: Ahem. Mine is spack in the "mid thirties"!

I've always loved a TDI's torque over a petrol. I don't care that the breakeven point is more because I like the way a TDI has power in any gear and you can go into a gap whenever you want WITHOUT having to gear down. That is what I believed since I had a manual car and had manual diesel and petrol courtesy cars. BUT I've now realised in a DSG it does not matter since it will decide what to do with the gears and do it for you and you are in the gap anyway. So petrol or diesel should be ok for me now provided it is a DSG. In a petrol I can't stand how you have to gear down to get the engine in the power range before it will overtake or get you in that gap... Unless of course it is a 6 speed Maza MX-5 and changing gear is part of the fun!