I assume you are referring to me

Actually no

You were much more dangerous than him by holding you main beams on and flashing your fogs at him, blinding him, anyone behind him and anyone in front of you.

I don't know the set up in the Fabia but if I was doing that in my car I would also be driving with only one thumb on the steering wheel.

Chill out, concentrate on your own driving and stop winding other motorists up as well over things that Just Don't Matter!

I done what I did at a low speed, I wouldn't do it on a 60/70mph road, it was coming out of a retail park.

I'm not winding other motorists up, they're winding other people up driving round like a badly lit Christmas tree.

I done what I did at a low speed, I wouldn't do it on a 60/70mph road, it was coming out of a retail park.

I'm not winding other motorists up, they're winding other people up driving round like a badly lit Christmas tree.

Two wrongs don't make a right. So probably a good time to stop defending yourself. But I'll admit to wanting the ability to shoot out inappropriate front/rear fogs and oncoming main beams. And to vaporise lane-hoggers, late indicators and late pullers-out, especially the ones who then baulk you again by turning right 10 seconds later. And to hope that all people using their phones/applying make-up/smoking/drinking/eating while also trying to drive will crash into a barrier before they crash into another road user. Meh!

Blame the manufacturers in most cases with foglights. I've seen them on the cars main selling points.

5 speed

Power steering

Fuel Injection

Sporty driving lights !! FFS !!

It's a trend as well. People make a deliberate decision to put on their 'sporty driving lights'.

There's a flip side to this as well.

The number of idiots driving around in the Winter (dark) months with NO lights on worries me more than the ones with the fogs on.

There's countless number of them. Then there's the ones who NEVER check their lights whatsoever.

Cars with -

1 headlight

1 sidelight

Misaligned headlights

All for the sake of walking around the car maybe once a week/month and check the bulbs. People don't care. It's just jump in and drive, oh, but make sure

that the 'sporty driving lamps' work ! Be gutted if one of those bulbs went out ! What !! 3 lights instead of 4 !!

The Fabia VRS IMO has set a new benchmark. Do away with the useless front fog lights altogether. Of course, rears are essential.

Front foglights are designed to light the periphery of the water/ice crystals in front of you, therefore not illuminating them and causing that 'wall of light' .

Unless it's a 'peasouper' fogs are pretty much useless anyway. That's when you're doing 10-15mph and they serve as markers for others to see you're coming mostly.

In all honesty, when was the last time you reached for the front fogs so they would help you see in fog ? In order for them to do their designed job, you need to turn the headlamps off. Who in the right mind drives around at night, in fog, with just fog lights on ? They're a waste of time IMO.

Also, the poster that said the most DRLs turn off when the main beam is on ? No they don't ?

Ford, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Skoda etc etc ?? They're designed to act as additional lighting in a dimmed capacity and do a great job IMO.

The sooner front fogs are made an option (like they used to be) the better. They're completely misunderstood and therefore abused by the 'chav brigade'. They're now just stuck on new cars for image.

I can guarantee you that the same 2 cars next to each other, 1 with fogs & 1 without, the one with will sell more, period.

That's the main issue, they've now been marketed to look 'cool' by the manufacturers and that's caused this trend of 'fog hogs'.

The vRS doesn't have fogs anymore and I don't miss them at all. Only used them once on the old car and didn't really help. The Mk1 Octy had them in the headlight itself

Also, the poster that said the most DRLs turn off when the main beam is on ? No they don't ?

Ford, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Skoda etc etc ?? They're designed to act as additional lighting in a dimmed capacity and do a great job IMO.

On the Yeti the DRL's go OFF when any of the lights are turned ON!!

Many thanks. If you shout a little louder the whole Planet will hear you.

On the Yeti the DRL's go OFF when any of the lights are turned ON!!

Well that falls foul of the EU laws on the subject then since they state they must dim when main lights come on.

It's a shame that they did away with the requirement for dim dip headlamps, where, when you put your sidelights on with the ignition on the dipped headlamps come on at reduced power.

I quite agree and thought it was a nice feature.

Well that falls foul of the EU laws on the subject then since they state they must dim when main lights come on.

Not according to the RVL Regs.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/schedule/3/made

Part 1, para 2 & 3.

The vRS's dim and tbh I don't like that as you can't use them as side lights as they aren't bright enough.

In all honesty, when was the last time you reached for the front fogs so they would help you see in fog ? In order for them to do their designed job, you need to turn the headlamps off. Who in the right mind drives around at night, in fog, with just fog lights on ? They're a waste of time IMO.

When I bought my Roomster (second hand) both the headlights and the fog lights were misalligned. It went in for service at Carrs (Fraddon) and they adjusted both, doing the fog lights against a wall as the beam setter couldn't cope. The headlights are not as good as a Mk1 Fabia but the fog lights are great. They give a good even spread of light on the road with no back scatter, and on a dark country road will illuminate far enough ahead to allow a safe speed up to about 35mph.

I use them regularly (with the headlights off to avoid back scatter) when conditions warrant it, which is fairly frequent on Bodmin Moor.

If you aren't happy with your fogs, get them adjusted by somebody who knows what they are doing. You may find yourself being pleasantly surprised.

Rob.

Well that falls foul of the EU laws on the subject then since they state they must dim when main lights come on.

I quite agree and thought it was a nice feature.

I'm sure that some manufacturers are already doing this as a 'cheap' side step to installing DRLs on some models. The latest Golf has it, as I had one recently.

When I bought my Roomster (second hand) both the headlights and the fog lights were misalligned. It went in for service at Carrs (Fraddon) and they adjusted both, doing the fog lights against a wall as the beam setter couldn't cope. The headlights are not as good as a Mk1 Fabia but the fog lights are great. They give a good even spread of light on the road with no back scatter, and on a dark country road will illuminate far enough ahead to allow a safe speed up to about 35mph.

I use them regularly (with the headlights off to avoid back scatter) when conditions warrant it, which is fairly frequent on Bodmin Moor.

If you aren't happy with your fogs, get them adjusted by somebody who knows what they are doing. You may find yourself being pleasantly surprised.

Rob.

No thanks, I can drive at night without the need to have Blackpool illuminations on the front of my car, full beam works a treat when you want to see ahead.

No thanks, I can drive at night without the need to have Blackpool illuminations on the front of my car, full beam works a treat when you want to see ahead.

Except when you have thick fog, then you need fog lights.......

I'm sure that some manufacturers are already doing this as a 'cheap' side step to installing DRLs on some models. The latest Golf has it, as I had one recently.

The DRL's on the current Golf go out completely when either side or dipped headlights are turned on.

Side lights use a normal 5W bulb mounted next to the DRL bulb.

At the end of the day guys, you can dig out as many 'regulations' as you like but at some stage, our common sense has to be used. Law is Law, I appreciate that, but we're not talking about 4 big 'Cibies' being mounted on your roof for heavens sake !

Fogs shouldn't be fitted and marketed as 'sporty spots' at all. They should be an option, then when the ignorant idiots look in the options list, the salesperson can inform them what these are really for. If they're not there, they can't be abused.

Unless you live on Bodmin Moor, the countryside, or wherever it's dark, if you do then tick the options box and pay the £100 odd quid there going to be

I'm so glad that DRLs have been fitted to new cars now. Best thing that's happened in years. I'm sick of seeing drivers going about with NO lights on at all.

Two wrongs don't make a right. So probably a good time to stop defending yourself. But I'll admit to wanting the ability to shoot out inappropriate front/rear fogs and oncoming main beams. And to vaporise lane-hoggers, late indicators and late pullers-out, especially the ones who then baulk you again by turning right 10 seconds later. And to hope that all people using their phones/applying make-up/smoking/drinking/eating while also trying to drive will crash into a barrier before they crash into another road user. Meh!

I stoped defending myself a over a month ago ????

I know its quite an old thread but, People with Fogs on drive me mad.

With regards to your comments Eccleshill all I will say is: Try driving an artic and we'll see how your tired eyes after a 13hours at work and 9 hours or so driving at night will cope with foglights dazzling you and weather you'll be able to tell the difference between Fog and Dlr Brightness!

The whole issue of the legality of front foglight use needs to be reviewed

1. They are indistinguishable from DRLs on many models

2. They illuminate at night on models with cornering fog lights.

They have ceased to be for fog and have become an extra set of lights.

I'm so glad that DRLs have been fitted to new cars now. Best thing that's happened in years. I'm sick of seeing drivers going about with NO lights on at all.

Not quite that straight forward I'm afraid.

The same numpty's who used to drive with no lights on now have their DRL's so they 'think' they have their lights on.

All well and good until you approach a car in poor visibility with it's DRL's on - from behind. No rear lights on at all.

Try driving an artic and we'll see how your tired eyes after a 13hours at work and 9 hours or so driving at night will cope with foglights dazzling you and weather you'll be able to tell the difference between Fog and Dlr Brightness!

If you are that tired and are driving a HGV (which is much more likely to kill or maim if in a collision) then you need to pull over and rest.

Not quite that straight forward I'm afraid.

The same numpty's who used to drive with no lights on now have their DRL's so they 'think' they have their lights on.

All well and good until you approach a car in poor visibility with it's DRL's on - from behind. No rear lights on at all.

Idiots who don't switch at least side light on in dusk / Winter / reduced visibility etc in the first place will always stay idiots, DRLs or not.

My post didn't imply that by purely fitting DRLs will educate the ignorant. I get what you're saying though.

If you are that tired and are driving a HGV (which is much more likely to kill or maim if in a collision) then you need to pull over and rest.

+1

It does seem to be every other can now that is driving around with front fogs blazing. Most car now will switch them off when you turn off the head lights so they're making the choice to put them on it's not accidental.

But judging by some of the utterly appalling driving I saw of the Xmas hols a lot of people simply don't give a toss on the roads any more.

If you are that tired and are driving a HGV (which is much more likely to kill or maim if in a collision) then you need to pull over and rest.

That was not the point, I would not drive tired and would pull over and rest , I wasn't talking about myself as mine other road users safety is very important to me.

That was actually a point brought up by a Group of Traffic officers whilst doing a survey of Professional Drivers which I participated in at a Truck stop last week, seems like a large number of goods vehicle drivers are complaining about the matter and the fact that being a Professional Driver you can get prosecuted for "Driving Without Due Care and Attention" and loose the License for offences like fog lights yet the car drivers just get away with it!