I would say that Diesel won't cause you any trouble at all. I do an average of 13000-13500 kilometers per annum. Typical daily commute and in city driving of around 30- 40 kilometers with an 700-800 km highway drive to the hills every three months or so. I find Diesel better on account of good low end torque and greater luggability in low gear and traffic. Plus of course Diesel is a more economical fuel here in India as of now.

Do 12500 miles a year with regular round trips of 10-20 miles (2-3 times a week) with more occasional 100-150 trips at 3 to 4 weeks frequency. Other trips are 30-60 miles about once a month or two. This pattern makes up 80% of my driving.

Would a Diesel with it's DPF cause me grief with frequent limp home problems?

Honest John reckons you need to do 20k+ to justify a diesel over a petrol. Modern diesels are much more complex than petrols requiring expensive equipment to comply with emission limits and to make them refined and acceptable to todays drivers. It is not just the DPF but also Dual Mass flywheels, injectors etc - any one of those are very expensive to repair once the car is out of warranty.

The real question is whether you want a petrol or a diesel, cost wise check this website http://car-costs.parkers.co.uk/ (cut and paste into your browser) and it will provide you with comparative costs over the time you own the vehicle. Also don't forget that the 1.2 TSi is in lower insurance group than diesels, as well as costing '000's less. Modern petrols are much more efficient now and the light weight turbos on the 1.2 and 1.4 Tsi's provide that nice low rev diesel torque.

I currently run a 2.0 diesel Octavia but will change to a 1.2 TSi Yeti because my mileage (10k) just doesn't justify the extra cost of buying a diesel.

If I change to a 4X4 with DSG no choice but diesel, so economics argument not valid in my case.

If I change to a 4X4 with DSG no choice but diesel, so economics argument not valid in my case.

Exactly - there really is no choice if you require a certain spec of engine/transmission! If you need 4X4 with DSG then decision is made for you. I want DSG, don't need 4X4, so no decision but 1.2 TSi DSG! Simplezzz.

Can you remove a DPF and reprogram the car think i seen this offered when i was looking in to getting my yeti

Honest John reckons you need to do 20k+ to justify a diesel over a petrol. Modern diesels are much more complex than petrols requiring expensive equipment to comply with emission limits and to make them refined and acceptable to todays drivers. It is not just the DPF but also Dual Mass flywheels, injectors etc - any one of those are very expensive to repair once the car is out of warranty.

The real question is whether you want a petrol or a diesel, cost wise check this website http://car-costs.parkers.co.uk/ (cut and paste into your browser) and it will provide you with comparative costs over the time you own the vehicle. Also don't forget that the 1.2 TSi is in lower insurance group than diesels, as well as costing '000's less. Modern petrols are much more efficient now and the light weight turbos on the 1.2 and 1.4 Tsi's provide that nice low rev diesel torque.

I currently run a 2.0 diesel Octavia but will change to a 1.2 TSi Yeti because my mileage (10k) just doesn't justify the extra cost of buying a diesel.

All well and good but it is impossible to calculate as it doesn't take into account the resale value. A diesel will always fetch a premium over the petrol and be a lot easier to sell.

Just put my car in vs the petrol and according to that i save £2.5k over 3 years. The reality is in fact more as they have said that the diesel will cost £500 more to service which simply isn't true as it will cost exactly the same. It uses the same oil and it is the same service procedure....the DSG box is the same also.

The petrol VRS is also dearer to insure (for me anyway) than the diesel which they don't take into account.

The only real decision that can be made, is drive the cars with the engines which you think would suit and pick your favorite one

Can you remove a DPF and reprogram the car think i seen this offered when i was looking in to getting my yeti

Yes.

Service offered by a number of reputable tuning companies notably Shark Performance (forum sponsors). They'll give you a remap at the same time if you want.

Exactly - there really is no choice if you require a certain spec of engine/transmission! If you need 4X4 with DSG then decision is made for you. I want DSG, don't need 4X4, so no decision but 1.2 TSi DSG! Simplezzz.

MY dealer put it really well, he said "do you drive off road? No? You don't need the 4x4 so it's a choice between 1.2 and 1.4. Drive both back to back and see what you think. If the 1.2 is fine then why spend an extra £800?"

I did as he suggested except I didn't even bother driving the 1.4 again (I'd driven it months before), I just ordered a 1.2 on the spot. Coming from a 2.0 diesel Octavia I thought I'd miss the power but I can honestly say I haven't. Diesel is currently 9p a lite more expensive than petrol too so I save every time I fill up. The 1.2 is currently averaging 40mpg whereas the 2.0 diesel averaged 45 mpg.

Diesel is currently 9p a lite more expensive than petrol too so I save every time I fill up. The 1.2 is currently averaging 40mpg whereas the 2.0 diesel averaged 45 mpg.

Can you explain how you save money by filling up more often; or have I misunderstood yet again? :wonder:

Can you explain how you save money by filling up more often; or have I misunderstood yet again? :wonder:

There isn't quite a saving, but its close.

Take the example of 1,000 miles in petrol Yeti @ 40mpg @ £1.39 per litre = £157.93 or

1,000 miles in diesel Yeti @ 45mpg @ £1.48 per litre = £150.48.

So £7.45 per 1,000 miles (£89.40 over 12,000 miles) saving if using a diesel Yeti but this will cost you ££££ more to buy to start with, although give you £££ back when you sell.

A bit like a good savings account then. Invest an extra £800 to start with; earn 11% thereupon for however long; and then get your capital back. Life is so simple really... er NOT!

A bit like a good savings account then. Invest an extra £800 to start with; earn 11% thereupon for however long; and then get your capital back. Life is so simple really... er NOT!

Works for me....

And in the mean time I get to drive all that lovely Torque.:p

Works for me....

And in the mean time I get to drive all that lovely Torque.:p

... but is it worth it for someone who is nervous of the long term health/reliability of a DPF?

... but is it worth it for someone who is nervous of the long term health/reliability of a DPF?

And the long term reliability of the Dual mass Flywheel?

Can you explain how you save money by filling up more often; or have I misunderstood yet again? :wonder:

Someone who's better at sums has done this for me but what I was actually saying was each tank costs me less. But did a long run last night and the 1.2 was indicating 45 mpg (maxidot) which is much the same as I used to get on maxidot on my 2.0 PD Octavia.

Combine with the higher cost of the diesel model in the first place and I reckon I made the right choice. Having been sceptical that a 1.2 could be powerful enough to power a car like the yeti I continue to be astonished by it's performance. I've said it before and I'll say it again, driving back to back with a 1.9 tdi Audi A3, the 1.2 has better low down grunt and is a livelier drive. The Audi is 10 years old but it's still surprising to me.

In that case, if the mpg figures are the same, then you you are saving money. However, I suspect that a diesel Yeti would achieve even better mpg over the trip you describe; but, had I bought a petrol Yeti, I too would seek to justify my reasons for so doing!

To misquote Llanigraham "That's a joke, by the way".

In that case, if the mpg figures are the same, then you you are saving money. However, I suspect that a diesel Yeti would achieve even better mpg over the trip you describe; but, had I bought a petrol Yeti, I too would seek to justify my reasons for so doing!

To misquote Llanigraham "That's a joke, by the way".

LOL, I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm just continuing to be amazed by the 1.2.

Rather than compare with what a diesel yeti might achieve I'm comparing with what I was getting three months ago. I have owned 5 different diesel Octavias since 1998. The old 1.9 tdi used to deliver MPG in the mid to high 50s, but the last one, the 2.0 140 PD engine, never returned more than 48 (according to maxidot).

Frankly when petrol round here is at £1.28 a litre and diesel is currently £1.39 and there is so little difference in MPG between this car and the last one I reckon I am saving money. And it actually drives like a diesel in terms of low end grunt!

Well good on ya! It does indeed sound like a fantastic car... and to add to that, I am envious of your local fuel prices

Merry Christmas all and a Happy New Year.

Well good on ya! It does indeed sound like a fantastic car... and to add to that, I am envious of your local fuel prices

Merry Christmas all and a Happy New Year.

LOL, same to you.

actually if you look on fuelly (click on my sig) and then look at other yetis, the diesels and the 1.2 seem to be much of a muchness in terms of cost per mile. The 1.4 tsi seems to be much more expensive (much more thirsty) and the greenlines look incredibly frugal.

Interesting stuff once you start to look at it.