Do 12500 miles a year with regular round trips of 10-20 miles (2-3 times a week) with more occasional 100-150 trips at 3 to 4 weeks frequency. Other trips are 30-60 miles about once a month or two. This pattern makes up 80% of my driving.

Would a Diesel with it's DPF cause me grief with frequent limp home problems?

Do 12500 miles a year with regular round trips of 10-20 miles (2-3 times a week) with more occasional 100-150 trips at 3 to 4 weeks frequency. Other trips are 30-60 miles about once a month or two. This pattern makes up 80% of my driving.

Would a Diesel with it's DPF cause me grief with frequent limp home problems?

In a word, no.

In a word, no.

+1 No problems at all.

Hi,

I do a lot less mileage than that, have had my Yeti since March this year, and haven't seen a regen yet. Most of my trips are on dual carriageway or the M4, and vary from 80 miles to 20 miles so I wouldn't be worried if I were you.

It's mainly people who only do a local school run, or down to corner shop etc who get the problems. As long as the engine gets up to working temp and a decent run you are ok.

I do less miles than that, far more short, in town London trips, the ocasional long trip (100 miles plus) and by using ONLY Shell diesel have not seen a single regen of my DPF in 12000 miles... Guess it does it secretly or whilst I'm driving.

It does however seem to be due to never ever using cheap supermarket fuel. That has been confirmed on this forum many times. I also have a friend that had a 3,0d X5 BMW. If he used supermarket fuel the thing smoked like a chimney he says. If he used Shell et al there was no smoke when he put his foot down. And guess where the smoke goes when you have a DPF? Yes you know the answer already.

So use supermarket fuel with your driving pattern and expect trouble pretty soon (or at least very frequent regens), use proper fuel and you'll be fine I should say.

I do a daily short commute-2 miles each way and some running around. I also do occasional long journeys 100 miles plus. Since march I have had two DPF warning lights -one I resolved by a half hour round trip on dual carriage ways which cleared it at the half way point and the other of which resolved itself quickly without any different driving.

I should think you will be fine and the limp home has not occurred.

Only question is would a petrol be cheaper overall? I am so delighted with the torque and accompanying driving pleasure that I am happy despite the fact my usage would probably be cheaper year on year with a petrol car.

In a word, no.

I agree with the above.

I do 10000 miles a year with far more low mileage journeys than the above and far fewer longer journeys. Mine has successfully regenerated several times en route in the 5300 miles so far with no dash light forced regeneration being required.

The overall financial aspect as done by an accountant may be a different argument. But I prefer driving diesel far more than petrol - just sold a 1.8TSI DSG Octavia after a very short ownership (less that 12 months from new).

I do a daily short commute-2 miles each way and some running around. I also do occasional long journeys 100 miles plus. Since march I have had two DPF warning lights -one I resolved by a half hour round trip on dual carriage ways which cleared it at the half way point and the other of which resolved itself quickly without any different driving.

I should think you will be fine and the limp home has not occurred.

Only question is would a petrol be cheaper overall? I am so delighted with the torque and accompanying driving pleasure that I am happy despite the fact my usage would probably be cheaper year on year with a petrol car.

Relative economy not a major concern, however the need to do unnecessary trips to regen and limp home

issues a MAJOR concern.

I'm told new DPF are in the £800-1000 region.

If you have to limp home is a visit to a dealer the next step??

Dealer cost of a forced regen about £200...is this true??

Whats the risk of needing a new DPF if you limp home. Does this mean a 20 mph journey?

Edited 16 December, 201114 yr by kibby

I do very similar journeys to what most people on here have already posted, bt my total is about 8000 a year. Now after 5 diesel Octavias I have recently moved to a 1.2 petrol yeti. The engine has been an absolute revelation. My wife has a 9 year old Audi A3 with the 1.9 Tdi and I can honestly say the 1.2 Tsi feels livelier with more poke. I was worried that moving from a 2.0 PD engine I'd feel underpowered but it just hasn't happened.

So as well as the DPF research I would do some number crunching. I have just done 1800 miles so it's hardly run in and I'm averaging 40 mpg. At 8p a litre difference between petrol and diesel it might be a viable option (or the 1.4 if you want more poke). The big bonus at this time of year with snow on the ground is that the car heats up so much more quickly than my diesels ever did.

Johann, don't you think you are being a bit of a scaremonger?

I have always used supermarket fuel, except when I have had to use branded stuff out of neccessity.

I have never had a problem.

I have had a couple of regens when the car is stationary but have never had the DPF light come on.

My driving pattern is very similar to the OPs so I don't see him having a problem either.

It would probably be more cost effective for me to drive a petrol but, as I have said before, I just prefer the characteristics of a diesel engine.

As for creating smoke, my old Peugeot 307 used to chuck it out by the bucketful but I can honestly say I have never noticed any smoke at all issuing from the rear of the yeti.

You would probably only notice it in the dark and headlights of following cars when you give it a boot full anyway.

Kibby, don't stress about it.

Take a test drive in both the petrol and diesel models and pick your favourite.

You won't be disappointed.

Johann, don't you think you are being a bit of a scaremonger?

I have always used supermarket fuel, except when I have had to use branded stuff out of neccessity.

I have never had a problem.

I have had a couple of regens when the car is stationary but have never had the DPF light come on.

My driving pattern is very similar to the OPs so I don't see him having a problem either.

It would probably be more cost effective for me to drive a petrol but, as I have said before, I just prefer the characteristics of a diesel engine.

As for creating smoke, my old Peugeot 307 used to chuck it out by the bucketful but I can honestly say I have never noticed any smoke at all issuing from the rear of the yeti.

You would probably only notice it in the dark and headlights of following cars when you give it a boot full anyway.

Kibby, don't stress about it.

Take a test drive in both the petrol and diesel models and pick your favourite.

You won't be disappointed.

No just trying to paint the picture from all sides.

As to smoke behind your Yeti: you have a DPF!!!! So you will NEVER see smoke behind it. You've also had more regens than I've ever had on my Shell. Does that not say something? I've never ever, not once experience any of the signs my car is doing a regen in 12,000 miles. That speaks for itself surely? I'm not saying supermarket fuel is bad. At all. The car is designed to run on it and supermaket fuel meets all the regulatory standards. I'm just painting the picture as to why it is cheap and what the consequences of using it might be (in my view).

I can also guarantee you that after three or more tanks of proper fuel (not as some would hope after a mere litre of the stuff on the very first journey after a life on supermarket fuel) your old 307 would not have made bucketful's of smoke but merely have chugged out a few cupfulls.

But I agree: you need not worry Kibby. With the type of driving you suggest you will be fine.

Johann, don't you think you are being a bit of a scaremonger?

I have always used supermarket fuel, except when I have had to use branded stuff out of neccessity.

I have never had a problem.

I have had a couple of regens when the car is stationary but have never had the DPF light come on.

My driving pattern is very similar to the OPs so I don't see him having a problem either.

It would probably be more cost effective for me to drive a petrol but, as I have said before, I just prefer the characteristics of a diesel engine.

As for creating smoke, my old Peugeot 307 used to chuck it out by the bucketful but I can honestly say I have never noticed any smoke at all issuing from the rear of the yeti.

You would probably only notice it in the dark and headlights of following cars when you give it a boot full anyway.

Kibby, don't stress about it.

Take a test drive in both the petrol and diesel models and pick your favourite.

You won't be disappointed.

+1

I used supermarket diesel in my Roomster 1.9 tdi, I know no DPF in that, and I've continued to use it in the Yeti. Had one brief regen when stationary after short journey since March.

I much prefer the driving characteristics of diesels but my annual mileage would probably prove less expensive with a petrol but I also tow a caravan so that makes the choice easier.

Fred

No just trying to paint the picture from all sides.

As to smoke behind your Yeti: you have a DPF!!!! So you will NEVER see smoke behind it. You've also had more regens than I've ever had on my Shell. Does that not say something? I've never ever, not once experience any of the signs my car is doing a regen in 12,000 miles. That speaks for itself surely? I'm not saying supermarket fuel is bad. At all. The car is designed to run on it and supermaket fuel meets all the regulatory standards. I'm just painting the picture as to why it is cheap and what the consequences of using it might be (in my view).

It says something. Its not conclusive though is it?

You dont think that perhaps some 'supermarket fuel' might be produced by Shell? IMHO the additives they talk about and add to the fuel are pure marketing designed to get you to believe its better and hence be happier paying more. Thats cool if you want to pay more, I am too thrifty though! Same as all the redex/fuel treatments that are available - I'd never buy any of them.

My VRS has had nothing but supermarket fuel, I always buy the cheapest as I dont believe the dear stuff offers any benefit. Ive done 30k+miles and never had the DPF light on once. I've had zero running issues at all. Its as sweet now as the day I drove it from the dealer.

Relative economy not a major concern, however the need to do unnecessary trips to regen and limp home

issues a MAJOR concern.

I'm told new DPF are in the £800-1000 region.

If you have to limp home is a visit to a dealer the next step??

Dealer cost of a forced regen about £200...is this true??

Whats the risk of needing a new DPF if you limp home. Does this mean a 20 mph journey?

Kibby, I haven't had any instance of limp home. The light came on on my way home so I went through the normal early evening routine -supper prepared for self and daughter, suit and formal shirt and tie swapped for comfy kit then went out for a drive. Job done. I have had no worries about this and have not read of failures or £200 bills but 1.2Tsi faults with turbos have featured on here.

So in my case (with far shorter journeys than you expect to do) I have had one unscheduled evening jaunt, listening to the radio as normal but just sitting in my car rather than at my desk. That is in 8000 happy enjoyable miles.

Search for DPF faults and you will find few if any with the engines available in the Yeti. Search the rest of Briskoda too. I doubt that you will find anything to put you off your choosing a diesel.

It says something. Its not conclusive though is it?

You dont think that perhaps some 'supermarket fuel' might be produced by Shell? IMHO the additives they talk about and add to the fuel are pure marketing designed to get you to believe its better and hence be happier paying more. Thats cool if you want to pay more, I am too thrifty though! Same as all the redex/fuel treatments that are available - I'd never buy any of them.

My VRS has had nothing but supermarket fuel, I always buy the cheapest as I dont believe the dear stuff offers any benefit. Ive done 30k+miles and never had the DPF light on once. I've had zero running issues at all. Its as sweet now as the day I drove it from the dealer.

I agree it is not conclusive. It is my view as I stated in every post. Based on my and some friends' experience of smoke coming from their cars when using or not using supermarket fuel.

I don't agree on what you say about the additives but I have seen too many threads on forums argue that one so lets just park that and / or let people do a search on here to read the zillion pages of views on that one for themselves.

Type into Google:

site: briskoda.net supermarket fuel

You will be busy for days reading all the views in all the threads Google will throw up.

As said above as I've come along late... No.

Now you've just done it again....

I can also guarantee you that after three or more tanks of proper fuel (not as some would hope after a mere litre of the stuff on the very first journey after a life on supermarket fuel) your old 307 would not have made bucketful's of smoke but merely have chugged out a few cupfulls

So you are saying that supermarket fuel is not good enough to do the job?

In a word... Cobblers.

Supermarket fuel meets the standards required to power a modern diesel engine or it wouldn't be sold.

Supermarket fuel IS proper fuel whether you like it or not.

As to my old car, there is no way you could guarantee it wouldn't smoke with branded fuel, any more than you could guarantee my yeti will run better on branded fuel.

IMHO it is just a bit of marketing hype.

If you believe branded is better, why don't you still drive that Audi? Surely it must be better?

You obviously chose the yeti because it represents value for money.

Exactly the same reason most of us bought one and exactly the same reason I choose to use supermarket fuel.

Implying it is not proper is quite wrong.

Lot of tripe being posted on here.

Will op have dpf issues? Almost certainly not.

Is shell better than supermarket diesel? Almost certainly yes. The additives aren't marketing hype. If they were they'd have been sued by now. The help the fuel burn cleaner thus more efficiency thus less smoke.

Shell is also the same price as supermarket diesel in most places so a no brainer for me. And coincidence or not, my car has had one tank full of asda and it went through a passive regen during that tank and I also got a good 5mpg less over the tank.

You dont think that perhaps some 'supermarket fuel' might be produced by Shell? IMHO the additives they talk about and add to the fuel are pure marketing designed to get you to believe its better and hence be happier paying more. Thats cool if you want to pay more, I am too thrifty though! Same as all the redex/fuel treatments that are available - I'd never buy any of them.

There is a long post from me somewhere on here about the difference between supermarket fuel and the BP type stuff.

Found it:

My Dad used to manage an Esso Bulk Plant. At his Depot he regularly filled BP, Shell and Tesco tankers. The same still occurs today, so the "chain" supermarkets do not buy their fuel abroad. Some very small retailers, Dragon for example, do buy from the Rotterdam market.

When a tanker arrives at a filling point they input a loading order, this signifies who the order is for and what is to be delivered to the tanker. This will contain the fuel plus various additives, depending on the final retailer. It will include:

dye and chemical trace to show tax has been paid or not

dye and trace to designate retailer

additives, depending on retailers spec. Typically this might include

winter anti-waxing agents

diesel anti-smoke, often dropped by supermarkets

diesel anti-foaming agent, often dropped by supermarkets

injector cleaners, often dropped by supermarkets

The reason the supermarkets can sell at discount is because they drop these additives.

Post 5 here:

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/186656-diesel/page__hl__supermarket+fuel

CFB

the BS spec for any fuel is for the BASE fuel. It does not include any of the additives that might be added later.

dieselV6

The anti-waxing agent is NOT kerosene!

I do less miles than that, far more short, in town London trips, the ocasional long trip (100 miles plus) and by using ONLY Shell diesel have not seen a single regen of my DPF in 12000 miles... Guess it does it secretly or whilst I'm driving.

I always use premium diesel and I may even do a few longer trips that you seem to do. However I have been aware of several passive regenerations in my 5300 miles - indeed one today. I suspect that in your 12000 miles there will have been some regeneration episodes which you have not noticed.

I always use premium diesel and I may even do a few longer trips that you seem to do. However I have been aware of several passive regenerations in my 5300 miles - indeed one today. I suspect that in your 12000 miles there will have been some regeneration episodes which you have not noticed.

True. And I said as much above in my posts too.

I also said I don't want this tread to degrade (as it always does) when people get excited about supermarket fuel. Please do the Google search I showed above and post in the relevant thread. Countless people believe additives a myth. Countless others don't. Draw your own conclusions in those threads please. Each to their own as I always say.

So back OT: to the OP you won't have issues with the DPF with your driving style.

I also said I don't want this tread to degrade (as it always does) when people get excited about supermarket fuel.

Hmm, who first mentioned supermarket fuel

I have a choice of two fuel stations, Sainsbury's or BP.

Depending at what point along my 150 mile daily commute I need fuel depends on where I fill up.

It's completely random but I have ended up doing 5+ tanks of the same fuel in a row.

In over 100,000 miles I've never seen any difference in MPG, noticed any change in performance and never witnesses a regen of the DPF.

To the OP, my wife drives a 140PD Octavia Scout. The older PD engines are supposed to be harder on the DPF than the more modern CR engines in the Yeti. She does around 20 miles a day in stop start traffic. I take it to work once a month for a good run. In almost three years / 25,000 miles we've never seen the DPF light or noticed the car performing a regen.

You will be fine with a diesel!

Hmm, who first mentioned supermarket fuel

I have a choice of two fuel stations, Sainsbury's or BP.

Depending at what point along my 150 mile daily commute I need fuel depends on where I fill up.

It's completely random but I have ended up doing 5+ tanks of the same fuel in a row.

In over 100,000 miles I've never seen any difference in MPG, noticed any change in performance and never witnesses a regen of the DPF.

To the OP, my wife drives a 140PD Octavia Scout. The older PD engines are supposed to be harder on the DPF than the more modern CR engines in the Yeti. She does around 20 miles a day in stop start traffic. I take it to work once a month for a good run. In almost three years / 25,000 miles we've never seen the DPF light or noticed the car performing a regen.

You will be fine with a diesel!

Thanks for all feedback everyone...

It looks like 90% in favour of no problems with my driving pattern.

When making original choice (1.2TSI) dealer advised against a diesel...will certainly

consider a diesel in next swop, but if I have problems dealer will say "I TOLD YOU SO"!!

Edited 16 December, 201114 yr by kibby

Do 12500 miles a year with regular round trips of 10-20 miles (2-3 times a week) with more occasional 100-150 trips at 3 to 4 weeks frequency. Other trips are 30-60 miles about once a month or two. This pattern makes up 80% of my driving.

Would a Diesel with it's DPF cause me grief with frequent limp home problems?

Honest John reckons you need to do 20k+ to justify a diesel over a petrol. Modern diesels are much more complex than petrols requiring expensive equipment to comply with emission limits and to make them refined and acceptable to todays drivers. It is not just the DPF but also Dual Mass flywheels, injectors etc - any one of those are very expensive to repair once the car is out of warranty.

The real question is whether you want a petrol or a diesel, cost wise check this website http://car-costs.parkers.co.uk/ (cut and paste into your browser) and it will provide you with comparative costs over the time you own the vehicle. Also don't forget that the 1.2 TSi is in lower insurance group than diesels, as well as costing '000's less. Modern petrols are much more efficient now and the light weight turbos on the 1.2 and 1.4 Tsi's provide that nice low rev diesel torque.

I currently run a 2.0 diesel Octavia but will change to a 1.2 TSi Yeti because my mileage (10k) just doesn't justify the extra cost of buying a diesel.

Hmm, who first mentioned supermarket fuel

Oops. Naughty boy moi did open the can of worms indeed. I should have known better.

And I also should have said "branded fuel" and not "proper fuel". Naughty again. Apologies.